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Sabresfan-365
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Dec 16 @ 1:22 PM ET
Standard player contract requires the player to give “best efforts” to the Club, and allows the Club to terminate for a “material breach”.

I’m sure the Sabres would prefer to work out a deal both sides can live with rather than risk an arbitrators decision that missing a few games and practices over a multi-year contract(actually sick or otherwise) isn’t a “material breach”.

- Der Kaiser



Where would nhl retirement to the khl a la kovalchuk leave the sabres and blues cap wise?
Sabresfan-365
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Dec 16 @ 1:23 PM ET
I just hope we don’t make any moves unless it’s for a player we plan on keeping

Trading Guhle, Nylander, any of our 1sts, or any other good assets for a “rental” would be a mistake imo

- jdfitz77



TM is gone, we don't have to worry about that anymore.
SABRES 89
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Dec 16 @ 1:23 PM ET
So either he or his agent is really dumb/lazy
- jcragcrumple

Probably didn't think he would be dealt.
SABRES 89
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Dec 16 @ 1:24 PM ET
TM is gone, we don't have to worry about that anymore.
- Sabresfan-365

Don't be so sure.
jcragcrumple
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Dec 16 @ 1:25 PM ET
Probably didn't think he would be dealt.
- SABRES 89


No doubt, he still should have been smarter than that. When hiscontract/trade status changes, his agent needs to be on top of that
SABRES 89
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Dec 16 @ 1:26 PM ET
No doubt, he still should have been smarter than that. When your contract/trade status changes, his agent needs to be on top of that
- jcragcrumple

Yep, if he doesn't want to be here move him out. Won't be easy.
Der Kaiser
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Dec 16 @ 1:26 PM ET
Where would nhl retirement to the khl a la kovalchuk leave the sabres and blues cap wise?
- Sabresfan-365


Sabres get cap relief during suspension and upon termination. My understanding is the penalty is imposed only on the team that originated the contract - here the Blues.

But the penalty piece based on a post I thought I read yesterday. I didn’t look at that angle: only cap and termination issue
Sabresfan-365
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Dec 16 @ 1:26 PM ET
Don't be so sure.
- SABRES 89



im in the low 90s sure that botterill will not give up guhle, nylander and two 1sts for a guy who will be here only 6 months and/or is someone he loved back in pittsburgh that he thinks will help get them that additional 1 win a month they need to make the playoffs.

It helps that the team is already good
SABRES 89
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Dec 16 @ 1:28 PM ET
im in the low 90s sure that botterill will not give up guhle, nylander and two 1sts for a guy who will be here only 6 months and/or is someone he loved back in pittsburgh that he thinks will help get them that additional 1 win a month they need to make the playoffs.

It helps that the team is already good

- Sabresfan-365

I never said anything about what you posted, Nylander, Guhle and two firsts for anything. I said don't be so sure Nylander or Guhle aren't moved.
Sabresfan-365
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Dec 16 @ 1:28 PM ET
Sabres get cap relief during suspension and upon termination. My understanding is the penalty is imposed only on the team that originated the contract - here the Blues.

But the penalty piece based on a post I thought I read yesterday. I didn’t look at that angle: only cap and termination issue

- Der Kaiser



Im inclined to agree that the sabres probably dont want this going to an arbitrator. I dont know what market still exists for Berglund in the NHL at his cap hit given his foot speed and the "extracurriculars".

KHL may be his final destination. Im also not totally against the blues taking the hit on this...but i think most of us would get a kick out of that.
Sabresfan-365
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Dec 16 @ 1:28 PM ET
I never said anything about what you posted, Nylander, Guhle and two firsts for anything. I said don't be so sure Nylander or Guhle aren't moved.
- SABRES 89



And i never said they wouldn't be moved. I said he's not going to pull a tim murray.
Der Kaiser
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Dec 16 @ 1:29 PM ET
I never said anything about what you posted, Nylander, Guhle and two firsts for anything. I said don't be so sure Nylander or Guhle aren't moved.
- SABRES 89


My new whipping boy
Sabresfan-365
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Dec 16 @ 1:31 PM ET
My new whipping boy
- Der Kaiser


Other rochester folk have come around... kinda (bar wasn't set too high)

I don't know, the numbers are finally there. I think if he shot the puck more he'd have some legit NHL upside.
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Dec 16 @ 1:31 PM ET
And i never said they wouldn't be moved. I said he's not going to pull a tim murray.
- Sabresfan-365

I didn't say he would, but for example and I say EXAMPLE only, if Tarasenko is actually being moved, a deal like that might entice him. I would be hesitant adding two first though, maybe 1 or a 2nd. May cost a roster player also.
Der Kaiser
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Dec 16 @ 1:31 PM ET
Im inclined to agree that the sabres probably dont want this going to an arbitrator. I dont know what market still exists for Berglund in the NHL at his cap hit given his foot speed and the "extracurriculars".

KHL may be his final destination. Im also not totally against the blues taking the hit on this...but i think most of us would get a kick out of that.

- Sabresfan-365


I don’t think the CBA applies to KHL so he’s free to go there on his own. He can’t go to Europe without the Sabres OK.

They dmshould just let him go play in Sweden.
SABRES 89
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Dec 16 @ 1:32 PM ET
My new whipping boy
- Der Kaiser

Somethings off with him
Sabresfan-365
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Dec 16 @ 1:32 PM ET
I don’t think the CBA applies to KHL so he’s free to go there on his own. He can’t go to Europe without the Sabres OK.

They dmshould just let him go play in Sweden.

- Der Kaiser


seems like the logical choice for both sides
Sabresfan-365
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Dec 16 @ 1:34 PM ET
I didn't say he would, but for example and I say EXAMPLE only, if Tarasenko is actually being moved, a deal like that might entice him. I would be hesitant adding two first though, maybe 1 or a 2nd. May cost a roster player also.
- SABRES 89


I agree. They're both examples of prospects who could be sell high candidates. They're young enough that their perceived value is higher than their actual future value to this team.

If you view them as 3rd line/3rd pair guys but can flip them for top4/top 6 guys, its the right thing to do.

Im 50/50 on both of them tbh.
SABRES 89
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Dec 16 @ 1:34 PM ET
Ship him back to the Blues in some kind of a deal that get's the Sabres Schenn.



Sorry scratch that, he has 1 year left.
jdfitz77
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Dec 16 @ 1:36 PM ET
Standard player contract requires the player to give “best efforts” to the Club, and allows the Club to terminate for a “material breach”.

I’m sure the Sabres would prefer to work out a deal both sides can live with rather than risk an arbitrators decision that missing a few games and practices over a multi-year contract(actually sick or otherwise) isn’t a “material breach”.

- Der Kaiser


That makes sense
Thanks for the info sir

I think at this point both sides would be happy if Berglund could move on
jdfitz77
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Dec 16 @ 1:39 PM ET
So either he or his agent is really dumb/lazy
- jcragcrumple


Or the whole thing just really took him by surprise?
jcragcrumple
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Dec 16 @ 1:40 PM ET
That makes sense
Thanks for the info sir

I think at this point both sides would be happy if Berglund could move on

- jdfitz77


I don't see him agreeing to end his contract. Idk where this goes, honestly
SABRES 89
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Dec 16 @ 1:40 PM ET
Or the whole thing just really took him by surprise?
- jdfitz77

Regardless, you protect yourself because it's a business him and his agent should know that. Have all you stuff handled because you don't know what will happen..
jcragcrumple
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Dec 16 @ 1:41 PM ET
Or the whole thing just really took him by surprise?
- jdfitz77


I'm just saying, if your client has a full NMC that changes to a modified clause on July 1, it's your job to have it there and in place for when the contract changes. That's the job
Sabresfan-365
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Dec 16 @ 1:42 PM ET
I don't see him agreeing to end his contract. Idk where this goes, honestly
- jcragcrumple



He doesn't really have a choice, no? Doubt another NHL team gives him the role he wants. And the suspension keeps him from getting paid.

He needs a new contract
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