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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:33 AM ET
Nevermind.

We are hitting 1000

Could Fletcher have sold Scott and Holmgren he needs to move vets and kind of rehape the roster to be successful moving forward?

Could they end of selling off guys like Voracek, Simmonds, Raffl and maybe other players. Opposite of what people think would happen and kind of rebuild in a way for next year. Let Hart play and develop in the NHL?

Just kind of thinking out loud and hoping to get maybe some other thoughts from you guys.

- J35Bacher


I think that throwing a guy with like 20 games of minor league pro experience into this tire fire is a terrible idea.

If it's just 1-2 games, then fine. Otherwise......

In other words...bring back Hextall???
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Dec 17 @ 11:33 AM ET
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 17 @ 11:34 AM ET
Both nervous and excited to see Hart’s debut tomorrow
- arichardson22


I'd move more than a few other guys before I put that kid on the ice with the lifeless, soft squad we saw in Edmonton and Vancouver, but that's just me

I wish him luck. They didn't want to do it, but there's nothing out there for them to get to help them
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Dec 17 @ 11:35 AM ET
Would you prefer they sign the guy in Section 104 and have him backup Lyon? What's the alternative choice?
- jmatchett383

Eric Simborski
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:35 AM ET
I'd move more than a few other guys before I put that kid on the ice with the lifeless, soft squad we saw in Edmonton and Vancouver, but that's just me

I wish him luck. They didn't want to do it, but there's nothing out there for them to get to help them

- AllInForFlyers


Well, if Neuvirth is the backup, they could have kept Lyon up.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Dec 17 @ 11:35 AM ET
Nevermind.

We are hitting 1000

Could Fletcher have sold Scott and Holmgren he needs to move vets and kind of rehape the roster to be successful moving forward?

Could they end of selling off guys like Voracek, Simmonds, Raffl and maybe other players. Opposite of what people think would happen and kind of rebuild in a way for next year. Let Hart play and develop in the NHL?

Just kind of thinking out loud and hoping to get maybe some other thoughts from you guys.

- J35Bacher

As I mentioned earlier there is a reason why goalies always spend time in the AHL for a while prior to being called up. The jump in competition from the CHL to the NHL is an enormous gap for a goaltender in terms of the shooters he would face and level of scoring chances. Hart has barely even played 3 months in the minors and has only started to play well maybe 3 or so weeks ago. This move is shortsighted. I hope Hart tears it up with the big club but it could all go bad very quickly if the team doesn't commit to playing defence in front of him and with the way they have been performing recently I don't have faith that they will.
Briere
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2011

Dec 17 @ 11:35 AM ET
https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/201110150PHI.html
- jmatchett383

Memory is a funny thing.
Seeing Rinaldo's name next to a bunch of stupid penalties made me laugh.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:35 AM ET
Eric Simborski
- missingmike


I mean...why not?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 17 @ 11:36 AM ET
I think that throwing a guy with like 20 games of minor league pro experience into this tire fire is a terrible idea.

If it's just 1-2 games, then fine. Otherwise......

In other words...bring back Hextall???

- jmatchett383



I was wondering that too.

With the roster freeze on Wednesday, maybe they have Hart for tomorrow night because they are making a move either today or tomorrow for a goalie. There has to be more to this coming.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 17 @ 11:36 AM ET
Well, if Neuvirth is the backup, they could have kept Lyon up.
- jmatchett383


That shows you a couple of things: They honestly don't think Lyon can stop enough pucks for them to win, and they don't trust Neuvirth

It's wrong to do this to this kid. But I can see where they're coming from
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:37 AM ET
Memory is a funny thing.
Seeing Rinaldo's name next to a bunch of stupid penalties made me laugh.

- Briere


No biggie.

I just remember a friend of mine coming over to my seat after the game (we were both wearing Richards jerseys) furious about how the fans treated him.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 17 @ 11:37 AM ET
As I mentioned earlier there is a reason why goalies always spend time in the AHL for a while prior to being called up. The jump in competition from the CHL to the NHL is an enormous gap for a goaltender in terms of the shooters he would face and level of scoring chances. Hart has barely even played 3 months in the minors and has only started to play well maybe 3 or so weeks ago. This move is shortsighted. I hope Hart tears it up with the big club but it could all go bad very quickly if the teams doesn't commit to playing defence in front of him and with the way they have been performing recently I don't have faith that they will.
- FreshFlyer



Oh I agree.

There has to be more to this.

missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Dec 17 @ 11:37 AM ET
Dave Isaac:

"Alex Lyon was also sent to the AHL so that would insinuate Hart would make his NHL debut tomorrow with Michal Neuvirth as his backup."

Well that changes things.

- jmatchett383


Will Bill have to write an excuse for him tomorrow?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 17 @ 11:37 AM ET
Development huh, kid is 20 years old let him finish the damn season in the AHL. What has he played a string of 5 good games in a row, just found his groove and we pull this sh!t.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 17 @ 11:37 AM ET
No biggie.

I just remember a friend of mine coming over to my seat after the game (we were both wearing Richards jerseys) furious about how the fans treated him.

- jmatchett383



This is the one reason I never get attached to players. They are all mercenaries.

FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Dec 17 @ 11:38 AM ET
Oh I agree.

There has to be more to this.

- J35Bacher

If Hart is backing up I have no issue with this maybe they want to reward the kid for playing well down there but if he's starting over Neuvirth I think it's a mistake.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:39 AM ET
If Hart is backing up I have no issue with this maybe they want to reward the kid for playing well down there but if he's starting over Neuvirth I think it's a mistake.
- FreshFlyer


Per Isaac (so, yeah) he's starting.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Dec 17 @ 11:39 AM ET
I was wondering that too.

With the roster freeze on Wednesday, maybe they have Hart for tomorrow night because they are making a move either today or tomorrow for a goalie. There has to be more to this coming.

- J35Bacher


Please be more to this than...Flyers are idiots about developing young goalies.

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 17 @ 11:40 AM ET
Doesn’t Lyon need to clear waivers?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:40 AM ET
Please be more to this than...Flyers are idiots about developing young goalies.
- NC Flyers Fan


Time to change things up by starting Jean-Marc Pelletier.

Because throwing a young AHL goalie into that tire fire went well and didn't piss off the vets.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 17 @ 11:41 AM ET
Per Isaac (so, yeah) he's starting.
- jmatchett383


There was no doubt, really -- they know what it meant to call him up

I sincerely doubt he's up for more than a week or two, if even that. He just might get lit up tomorrow. Detroit got off to a poop start but they are putting pucks in the net now
Shrike
Joined: 05.20.2016

Dec 17 @ 11:41 AM ET
dave Scott “maybe they won’t remember that we didn’t fire hakstol if we call up and start carter hart. Oh and tell me again why we didn’t fire hakstol, it sounded really stupid the first time you told me.”
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:42 AM ET
There was no doubt, really -- they know what it meant to call him up

I sincerely doubt he's up for more than a week or two, if even that. He just might get lit up tomorrow. Detroit got off to a poop start but they are putting pucks in the net now

- AllInForFlyers


Well, Hexy always said that he's only going to call players up when he thinks they're ready for a roster spot, not as a trial.

Wait, they did what with Hextall?
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Dec 17 @ 11:43 AM ET
Time to change things up by starting Jean-Marc Pelletier.

Because throwing a young AHL goalie into that tire fire went well and didn't piss off the vets.

- jmatchett383

My only explanation for the call up would be management thinks bringing up Hart could possibly get the team to come together and begin to play well in front of him. With the way this team has been performing of late though that's a tough ask of this group.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:43 AM ET
dave Scott “maybe they won’t remember that we didn’t fire hakstol if we call up and start carter hart. Oh and tell me again why we didn’t fire hakstol, it sounded really stupid the first time you told me.”
- Shrike


Please don't take this personally, but you don't have a corporate job, do you?
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