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Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 17 @ 11:44 AM ET
There was no doubt, really -- they know what it meant to call him up

I sincerely doubt he's up for more than a week or two, if even that. He just might get lit up tomorrow. Detroit got off to a poop start but they are putting pucks in the net now

- AllInForFlyers


Flyers are back baaaaby. We’re back
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 17 @ 11:44 AM ET
dave Scott “maybe they won’t remember that we didn’t fire hakstol if we call up and start carter hart. Oh and tell me again why we didn’t fire hakstol, it sounded really stupid the first time you told me.”
- Shrike


It's not Hakstol's fault what happened yesterday, and I don't think the fans should influence what you do, but holy hell, it's starting to feel like they're gonna have him behind the bench tomorrow

I've followed this team since 1979-80. That has got to be on the short list of craziest poop I would ever have seen them do, if he's behind the bench tomorrow, because they totally quit on him in Edmonton
Shrike
Joined: 05.20.2016

Dec 17 @ 11:44 AM ET
Please don't take this personally, but you don't have a corporate job, do you?
- jmatchett383

Self employed

I’d kill myself if I had to work in a corporate job.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 17 @ 11:45 AM ET
dave Scott “maybe they won’t remember that we didn’t fire hakstol if we call up and start carter hart. Oh and tell me again why we didn’t fire hakstol, it sounded really stupid the first time you told me.”
- Shrike


Carter hart is good for business. End of story
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:45 AM ET
Self employed
- Shrike


That makes a lot of sense.

Again, not personal, I just don't think you have the perspective of people in a large corporation.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 17 @ 11:46 AM ET
Flyers are back baaaaby. We’re back
- Just5


This...yeah. This isn't the level of "It's not our fault Roger got cancer," but yeah

Shoot, ready, aim
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 17 @ 11:46 AM ET
What a poop show
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:47 AM ET
This...yeah. This isn't the level of "It's not our fault Roger got cancer," but yeah
- AllInForFlyers


Good perspective.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Dec 17 @ 11:47 AM ET


Tickets price went from 34$ average to 58$. Marketing worked. Now hasktol will start neuvirth.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 17 @ 11:47 AM ET
Carter hart is good for business. End of story
- Just5


Dave Hakstol is exceedingly bad for business
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 11:49 AM ET
Nevermind.

We are hitting 1000

Could Fletcher have sold Scott and Holmgren he needs to move vets and kind of rehape the roster to be successful moving forward?

Could they end of selling off guys like Voracek, Simmonds, Raffl and maybe other players. Opposite of what people think would happen and kind of rebuild in a way for next year. Let Hart play and develop in the NHL?

Just kind of thinking out loud and hoping to get maybe some other thoughts from you guys.

- J35Bacher


My thoughts are that they fired Hextall because the rebuild wasn't moving along fast enough and Hextall wasn't aggressive enough. The team wasn't winning enough or relevant enough. Now the new GM is going to sell them on taking a deeper rebuild? I also think that Fletcher has been burning up the phones and finding the same thing that Hextall did. The trade market is prohibitive.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Dec 17 @ 11:49 AM ET
Dave Isaac:

"Alex Lyon was also sent to the AHL so that would insinuate Hart would make his NHL debut tomorrow with Michal Neuvirth as his backup."

Well that changes things.

- jmatchett383


1. Can we really trust Dave?
2. poop poop poop poop we're going to ruin this kid he's not ready
Shrike
Joined: 05.20.2016

Dec 17 @ 11:49 AM ET
That makes a lot of sense.

Again, not personal, I just don't think you have the perspective of people in a large corporation.

- jmatchett383

I don’t disagree

But I also don’t think corporations do a good job of serving or representing people.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Dec 17 @ 11:51 AM ET
Phantoms play Wednesday. IMO it's really a bad idea to start Hart with the way this team is playing. If a nervous Hart lets in a bad goal or two the team will fold like a house of cards.
Just when you think this circus can't get more circusey it does.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 17 @ 11:51 AM ET
Good perspective.
- jmatchett383


The mid-90s through 2006-07 were about the craziest things I've ever seen from a professional franchise

Just crazy poop. I still get nervous tics when I think about the phrase "Forsberg's boot"
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Dec 17 @ 11:52 AM ET

I caved bought a pair of 30$ seats. Lets see how this goes.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Dec 17 @ 11:52 AM ET
1. Can we really trust Dave?
2. poop poop poop poop we're going to ruin this kid he's not ready

- bulet13

This is the most Flyers thing they ever could have done. Finally have a goalie prospect that looks like he could be really good. Proceed to call him up to early , shatter his confidence because the team in front of him is garbage and ruin him.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Dec 17 @ 11:52 AM ET
I don’t disagree

But I also don’t think corporations do a good job of serving or representing people.

- Shrike



That is because corporations are actually in the business of making money and sometimes that doesnt translate well to serving or representing people.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Dec 17 @ 11:52 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Musings and Quick Hits: State of the Team
- bmeltzer


No clue how this roster is playing this bad. No clue why Hex got fired over Hacks. Lots of quality talent on the team. Be interesting to see what happens before this deadline.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:52 AM ET
I don’t disagree

But I also don’t think corporations do a good job of serving or representing people.

- Shrike


Corporations don't serve customers, they serve stockholders. This was true in Ed Snider's time, he simply was a fan as well as the CEO. He wanted the team to win because he knew that a winning team was a lucrative team. Look at Pittsburgh, who were destined to move 13 years ago.

So you don't just fire a coach on a whim hoping it will improve with no plan in place, because as far as stockholders are concerned things can get worse. As fans, we're pretty much at rock bottom.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Dec 17 @ 11:53 AM ET
Phantoms play Wednesday. IMO it's really a bad idea to start Hart with the way this team is playing. If a nervous Hart lets in a bad goal or two the team will fold like a house of cards.
Just when you think this circus can't get more circusey it does.

- bird_dog_pa

My prediction , if they don't score first Tuesday they are going to get lit up out there.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 17 @ 11:53 AM ET
I caved bought a pair of 30$ seats. Lets see how this goes.
- Tfaehner


Won't lie: I would have, too
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Dec 17 @ 11:53 AM ET
If Lyon is healthy, why isn't he starting? This is a calculated move and one which I think will backfire almsot immediately. Bring back Hexy
Shrike
Joined: 05.20.2016

Dec 17 @ 11:54 AM ET
Phantoms play Wednesday. IMO it's really a bad idea to start Hart with the way this team is playing. If a nervous Hart lets in a bad goal or two the team will fold like a house of cards.
Just when you think this circus can't get more circusey it does.

- bird_dog_pa

Or he could see the way they have backed Dave hakstol and he could think that even if he played naked standing in the corner, there is no way he could lose the support of this organization
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Dec 17 @ 11:54 AM ET
I caved bought a pair of 30$ seats. Lets see how this goes.
- Tfaehner


it's working...Flyers are selling tickets
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