Come on, people -- that's not how they measure this! This isn't the first time you've seen this!

THE NHL DOES NOT COUNT OVERTIME LOSSES AS LOSSES.

You cannot add the overtime losses to the regulation losses and say "wow, those are equivalent."

They're not! They never have been. They never will be.
- AllInForFlyers

He has a .560 points percentage, if that's what you're trying to say. But no, he did not win 56.0% of the games that he coached.

Picture that guy a little younger, about 4-5 inches taller, with a full beard and an even worse disposition and you'd be spot on.
- BiggE

Saying the guy with a .560 winning percentage and two playoff appearances is a bad coach is a narrative
- AllInForFlyers

.560 was the 16th best Points% in a 31 team league. That percentage making Hak a good coach is a narrative the new GM clearly didn't agree with. The new GM probably noticed that under Hak:

The PK was 30th.

The first period goal difference was also 30th.

Two huge problems that lasted his entire time in charge and were MUCH worse than under previous coaches.

Yup, but not only the coach's job, but their place in the standings. They've been awful.

I'm chalking up last night to an adrenaline win - new coach, kid goalie, sub-par opponent. I'm very interested to see what happens when this new-ness becomes the norm.



Also, thanks to Bill for making me learn what a billet is. lol
- Scoob

This is fair. So much has swirled around this team lately that just getting this first game out of the way probably felt like a relief.

Plus, Detroit stinks.

Let's see what happens in tomorrow's game.

Picture that guy a little younger, about 4-5 inches taller, with a full beard and an even worse disposition and you'd be spot on.
- BiggE

So basically, put a beard on this guy



Also, being able to get a good grip on that ball with hockey gloves and squish it is probably a bit harder than it seems.

This is fair. So much has swirled around this team lately that just getting this first game out of the way probably felt like a relief.

Plus, Detroit stinks.

Let's see what happens in tomorrow's game.
- johndewar

It's also reasonable that with a lack of practice time, Gordon is not going to have a lot of time to make changes that he might want to make so that is also going to take time. It's not going to happen overnight. With the ups and downs of this team, one game is not enough.

I think Gordon will lean more on some of the young guys as he has seen them perform in high pressure situations with the Phantoms. For me that is a plus and what I have wanted to see for the last two years. I think this was evident with Sanheim last night. He also used Lindblom more and rolled the 4th line regularly.

Hart was good. Good win.

He was fired because he led this team to the 29th spot in the league - which is not good.

And he won't be going back to North Dakota cause the guy who replaced him won the Championship in his first year. Something Hak couldn't manage in 11 seasons.
- Feanor

sigh - he also turned them around and led them to the best record in the league from December-April last year. Basically the same roster this year but with more injuries. Did he suddenly forget how to coach or was last year a lucky streak that he benefited from?

sigh - he also turned them around and led them to the best record in the league from December-April last year. Basically the same roster this year but with more injuries. Did he suddenly forget how to coach or was last year a lucky streak that he benefited from?
- Scoob

Also how many games did he coach this year where he didn't get NHL goaltending?

I'll suspend for this one post. You claimed the Flyers used a new defensive zone PK strategy last night. I posted a link that showed that you were wrong.
- MJL

No you didn’t read that article from to years ago and compare to what is happening on the ice now.

But thank you for stating that you will suspend for one post your policy of not backing up your opinions with evidence.

You can’t make change until you realize there is a problem

.560 was 16th in a 31 team league. That winning percentage making Hak a good coach is a narrative the new GM clearly didn't agree with. The new GM probably noticed that under Hak:

The PK was 30th.

The first period goal difference was also 30th.

Two huge problems that lasted his entire time in charge and were MUCH worse than under previous coaches.
- Feanor

Fair enough

If those are the metrics, though, then why'd the new GM hire Scott Gordon's 63-94- 23/.417 then?

Why aren't you rioting over how bad a coach Scott Gordon is?

Fair enough

If those are the metrics, though, then why'd the new GM hire Scott Gordon's 63-94- 23/.417 then?

Why aren't you rioting over how bad a coach Scott Gordon is?
- AllInForFlyers

He is interim coach. He currently is not the long term solution. If they officially hire a coach that is below .500 for his career people will question that.

Also, not a bad idea to have an interim coach that some of the roster has experience with.

Fair enough

If those are the metrics, though, then why'd the new GM hire Scott Gordon's 63-94- 23/.417 then?

Why aren't you rioting over how bad a coach Scott Gordon is?
- AllInForFlyers

I think they hired him, on an interim basis, because he's already part of the organization and had familiarity with several of the younger players on the team...maybe?

You can’t convince a stone it’s a tree

Or in other words, when have you ever changed your mind about anything regardless of facts presented?
- Shrike

But a stone can grow into a tree

Fair enough

If those are the metrics, though, then why'd the new GM hire Scott Gordon's 63-94- 23/.417 then?

Why aren't you rioting over how bad a coach Scott Gordon is?
- AllInForFlyers

Go look at that Islanders Roster.

I think they hired him, on an interim basis, because he's already part of the organization and had familiarity with several of the younger players on the team...maybe?
- jmatchett383

Kind of off topic but what do interim coaches get paid?

Fair enough

If those are the metrics, though, then why'd the new GM hire Scott Gordon's 63-94- 23/.417 then?

Why aren't you rioting over how bad a coach Scott Gordon is?
- AllInForFlyers

Because he's only an interim coach. Really dude, what did you want them to do? Between the story that broke and the way they played the last few games on the road trip, they had to fire Hakstol. Furthermore, if Q really is their guy and he, or more likely his rep, has made it clear that he doesn't want to take the job until after the season, than you had to bring in an interim coach. At that point, your options are a veteran coach who is out of work and wants to make a little cash, a current assistant, or the head coach of your AHL affiliate. Since Fletcher wanted to bring in someone with at least some familiarity with some of the players, that left choice B or C. IMO, elevating one of the assistants would have been a mistake. Wilson has only been here for about 10 days, Lappy has presided over a facet of the game that the team has been failing miserably at for years and Knoblauch is not exactly setting the world on fire with the PP.

Gordon won't make anyone forget Scotty Bowman but he's a veteran, experienced coach and about as good as you are going to get on an interim basis.

I think they hired him, on an interim basis, because he's already part of the organization and had familiarity with several of the younger players on the team...maybe?
- jmatchett383

Definitely part of it for sure. I also think that the decision to fire Hakstol was made quickly on Monday with Hakstol going to the GM for a vote of confidence and not getting it. So they didn't have another option in play. This is just speculation based on reporting.

Because he's only an interim coach. Really dude, what did you want them to do? Between the story that broke and the way they played the last few games on the road trip, they had to fire Hakstol. Furthermore, if Q really is their guy and he, or more likely his rep, has made it clear that he doesn't want to take the job until after the season, than you had to bring in an interim coach. At that point, your options are a veteran coach who is out of work and wants to make a little cash, a current assistant, or the head coach of your AHL affiliate. Since Fletcher wanted to bring in someone with at least some familiarity with some of the players, that left choice B or C. IMO, elevating one of the assistants would have been a mistake. Wilson has only been here for about 10 days, Lappy has presided over a facet of the game that the team has been failing miserably at for years and Knoblauch is not exactly setting the world on fire with the PK.

Gordon won't make anyone forget Scotty Bowman but he's a veteran, experienced coach and about as good as you are going to get on an interim basis.
- BiggE

Definitely a better choice than any of the assistants.

sigh - he also turned them around and led them to the best record in the league from December-April last year. Basically the same roster this year but with more injuries. Did he suddenly forget how to coach or was last year a lucky streak that he benefited from?
- Scoob

He is the one who coached them into the hole before December that required the best record in the nhl after December to squeak into the playoffs.

By this logic, I could kick you in the balls until Christmas and I could be considered the person that saved your balls from being kicked after Christmas.

You do know that overtime losses are losses right?

Dave Hakstol’s record of 134-101-43 is a below .500 win lose record
- Shrike

They're talking points percentage, not winning percentage. They are two different things but people don't know that, or they do know it but don't care to state it properly.

I think they hired him, on an interim basis, because he's already part of the organization and had familiarity with several of the younger players on the team...maybe?
- jmatchett383

Which is my point: I didn't hear you say they hired him because he was a good coach.

Because there's nothing to indicate that he's a good NHL coach -- unless you say that his record is a function of the Islanders roster, which, again, is the reality

You're only as good as your roster, and whether your players commit themselves

Come on, people -- that's not how they measure this! This isn't the first time you've seen this!

THE NHL DOES NOT COUNT OVERTIME LOSSES AS LOSSES.

You cannot add the overtime losses to the regulation losses and say "wow, those are equivalent."

They're not! They never have been. They never will be.
- AllInForFlyers

Well, they are if the question asked is "Did you win last night?"

Anyway, your point that winning pct isn't the same as points pct is correct.

Which is my point: I didn't hear you say they hired him because he was a good coach.

Because there's nothing to indicate that he's a good NHL coach -- unless you say that his record is a function of the Islanders roster, which, again, is the reality

You're only as good as your roster, and whether your players commit themselves
- AllInForFlyers

I agree.

I'm not debating whether or not Hak was a good coach, simply that Hakstol did not, in fact, win 56.0% of the games that he coached. He gained 56.0% of the possible points in the games that he coached.

Also how many games did he coach this year where he didn't get NHL goaltending?
- MJL

too many lol