There record was better than the Penguins and theyh made it further in the playoffs, so it could easily be argued that his 25 men were better than our 25 men...
- joecool2931

Or that he was the reason for it, because when his play dipped they lost....

Or that he was the reason for it, because when his play dipped they lost....
- taleisyreXIII

His play didnt dip, it was at a 1 year career high, to dropping off of mt. mother (frank)ing everest.

Go on believing that Matt Murray is the reason!
- taleisyreXIII

Maybe, but I do know this, the reason they had playoff success had absolutely nothing to do with Golden Child.

His play didnt dip, it was at a 1 year career high, to dropping off of mt. mother (frank)ing everest.
- joecool2931

Unlike mm who was placed on Everest because he won a few games early and fell so far off it he is drowning in the Pacific.

Maybe, but I do know this, the reason they had playoff success had absolutely nothing to do with Golden Child.
- stevens87

You easily forget 08 and 09 where he was incredible. Fickle

I thought Jack Johnson was the reason Derrick Brassard was struggling.

Unlike mm who was placed on Everest because he won a few games early and fell so far off it he is drowning in the Pacific.
- taleisyreXIII

You mean like Golden Child in 2012 when he had a GAA of I think close to 85 against the Flyers or the next year when they had to yank him out of the first series so they could beat NYI? Or the fact that twice teams have come back and beaten the Pens with a 3-1 series lead?

But hey, Golden Child has a nice smile and a great family, so no one is allowed to point out how bad at times he was here and how no other goalie with ever be as good.

"They came one shot away from losing to a bad Senators team in the Eastern Conference Finals."

If a team gets to the Eastern Conference Finals how the heck are they a bad team? Please explain, most holy one, RW.
- stevens87

Did you not watch the playoffs that year? The Sens were definitely not good. They could barely score goals in the Pens series. Only one game where they scored more than 2 goals and they were shut out twice. Not to mention they let in more goals than they scored during the course of the season. That team was bunk.

1. MAF (AKA Golden Child) was gone because that was the logical thing to do. You don't keep a guy in his early 30s who was a playoff failure for many years over a 22 year old who just won back to back Cups, making less $.

2. Kunitz is gone because yes, he is old and too slow.

3. I remember when the Pens got Reeves, people on this blog thought is was an awful trade, but as soon as he leaves, they should have kept him.
- stevens87

There’s like 3 people that think they should have kept Reaves.

Did you not watch the playoffs that year? The Sens were definitely not good. They could barely score goals in the Pens series. Only one game where they scored more than 2 goals and they were shut out twice. Not to mention they let in more goals than they scored during the course of the season. That team was bunk.
- j.boyd919

They had no issue scoring in the first 10 minutes of game three. Thank God, or else Pens would never have won that series.

Is the JJ contract the new Andy Mac? Rough one.

They had no issue scoring in the first 10 minutes of game three. Thank God, or else Pens would never have won that series.
- stevens87

Hahaha don’t get me wrong, I’m glad it went down the way it did but I don’t think Ottawa was good at all. Lol

Is the JJ contract the new Andy Mac? Rough one.
- ClaudeFather

Yes.

Hahaha don’t get me wrong, I’m glad it went down the way it did but I don’t think Ottawa was good at all. Lol
- j.boyd919

Maybe they weren't a good team but to win 2 playoff series, they had to be playing great at the time and that's all that counts to me.

Yes.
- j.boyd919

Luckily for us we are almost clear haha.

You easily forget 08 and 09 where he was incredible. Fickle
- taleisyreXIII

09... with the .908 save percentage?

No, he had ONE good postseason, the year they lost in 08. The following year the offense won, not him.

He has the 2nd most offensive zone starts on the whole team behind Kessel, his line mate. Offence isn't only born of breakouts.
- Thorny87

So? That doesn’t mean he wins every face off. It doesn’t mean they don’t lose possession and to further my point, with JJ as his most common d-partner it’s highly likely he’s not helping to keep the cycle going.

Wonder what Mario is thinking right now? Never been this kind of drama around the Pens. The loooong season continues.

Wonder what Mario is thinking right now? Never been this kind of drama around the Pens. The loooong season continues.
- Dr Blob

I guess rumors of the team moving to Kansas City isn’t considered drama?

09... with the .908 save percentage?

No, he had ONE good postseason, the year they lost in 08. The following year the offense won, not him.
- Guile

True. I mean he was good the first half of the 16-17 cup run. Without Fleury we don’t get by Washington for sure. But he had some seriously disappointed playoff meltdowns haha

So? That doesn’t mean he wins every face off. It doesn’t mean they don’t lose possession and to further my point, with JJ as his most common d-partner it’s highly likely he’s not helping to keep the cycle going.
- Rinosaur

What is your point? Seems like you're saying that JJ is completely to blame for Geno's rough patch?

What is your point? Seems like you're saying that JJ is completely to blame for Geno's rough patch?
- Thorny87

You can extrapolate what you will. I'm simply saying he's an issue for Geno when he's his most common dman. If you don't think having Letang and Dumo would make a profound difference then we need to just agree to disagree and move on.

You can extrapolate what you will. I'm simply saying he's an issue for Geno when he's his most common dman. If you don't think having Letang and Dumo would make a profound difference then we need to just agree to disagree and move on.
- Rinosaur

So do you still "100% disagree" with the original statement?

"Whichever line matches up against the other teams top line should get Tanger. I'm pretty sure that is Sid's line most nights.

Every year there is 1 or less Kris Letang and Geno still produces.

I know JJ is bad but to completely nullify Geno is a bit of a stretch. All players go through slumps."

True. I mean he was good the first half of the 16-17 cup run. Without Fleury we don’t get by Washington for sure. But he had some seriously disappointed playoff meltdowns haha
- j.boyd919

His best year, until last year. Was in 08. Very very rarely does a goalie have a career year a decade after their former best season. I wont buy into the "we should have kept flower" group.

So do you still "100% disagree" with the original statement?

"Whichever line matches up against the other teams top line should get Tanger. I'm pretty sure that is Sid's line most nights.

Every year there is 1 or less Kris Letang and Geno still produces.

I know JJ is bad but to completely nullify Geno is a bit of a stretch. All players go through slumps."
- Thorny87

Ok, you don't want to just move on? Got it.

1st statement - No. Right now, not having Schultz is making a difference with whom gets deployed with Geno.

2nd statement - All players go through slumps and clearly you want to not only generalize, but overlook the detailed explanation about having to make-up for other's shortcomings, I'm not going any further. Go back and read if you want your answer.

3rd statement - Geno is one of the best of all time and will eventually find ways to carry his line or team, but to always expect that of him is asinine.

4th statement - Yes, all players go through slumps, but in cases like this it exposes other issues on the team. There's also a difference between a slump and poor play because you can't focus on your own role. To Geno's detriment he's a bit too emotional and sulks, so it makes things look worse at times.