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Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Dec 26 @ 5:48 PM ET
Keep in beating the “Trade Maatta” drum until it breaks. He is not as bad as you think.
- Vincepens


This makes me think there’s a better chance JO gets moved.

When Schultz comes back there’s far too many bottom pair dmen.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Dec 26 @ 5:56 PM ET
Yohe has an interview on the Athletic. Sounds like Rutherford wants Geno and Phil split up. Thinks the team is better when the offense is spread throughout the lineup. He wants to see Brass and Kessel get more time together.
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Dec 26 @ 6:19 PM ET
Yohe has an interview on the Athletic. Sounds like Rutherford wants Geno and Phil split up. Thinks the team is better when the offense is spread throughout the lineup. He wants to see Brass and Kessel get more time together.
- madmike71


What's annoying is

The Bruins have a loaded up first line and they still win, The Avs have a loaded up first line and they still win, The Caps have about a line and a half... - I don't see them suffering from lack of "depth"

We can practically load up 2 lines and we are still embarrassingly inconsistent

Diluting the talent over 3 lines just makes us easier to beat
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Dec 26 @ 6:24 PM ET
Yohe has an interview on the Athletic. Sounds like Rutherford wants Geno and Phil split up. Thinks the team is better when the offense is spread throughout the lineup. He wants to see Brass and Kessel get more time together.
- madmike71


I’m not against this if they have a 3C he fits with.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Dec 26 @ 7:14 PM ET
What's annoying is

The Bruins have a loaded up first line and they still win, The Avs have a loaded up first line and they still win, The Caps have about a line and a half... - I don't see them suffering from lack of "depth"

We can practically load up 2 lines and we are still embarrassingly inconsistent

Diluting the talent over 3 lines just makes us easier to beat

- RoloTahmasee


If Brassard were the player we were expecting to get, I think spreading the talent would be a great idea. Also, Phil and Geno haven't exactly been lighting the goal lamp at 5v5 while playing together. Geno has like one goal 5v5 in a month and a half. Kessel hasn't been much better.

Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Dec 26 @ 9:22 PM ET
If Brassard were the player we were expecting to get, I think spreading the talent would be a great idea. Also, Phil and Geno haven't exactly been lighting the goal lamp at 5v5 while playing together. Geno has like one goal 5v5 in a month and a half. Kessel hasn't been much better.
- madmike71


I don’t think they’ve played together that much over the last month or so.
DutchSenators
Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Joined: 06.07.2015

Dec 27 @ 5:08 AM ET
Ya know... just because he was a highly ranked prospect, doesn't mean hes going to pan out.

.912 save percentage and over a 3 GAA in the AHL this year. Far from ideal from a big time up and coming goalie.

- Guile


.889 and over 3.5 GAA
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Dec 27 @ 8:27 AM ET
.889 and over 3.5 GAA
- DutchSenators



Did he have a horrid start since then or did I look up the wrong stat line?
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Dec 27 @ 9:23 AM ET
Took a peak down in WBS and Ethan Prow seems to be excelling all of a sudden. Last year he put up 17 points in 40 games and now has 20 points through 32 games. He's 26 already, so he's likely not destined for the full-time NHL duty, but I am a bit curious to see how he'd fare.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Dec 27 @ 9:26 AM ET
Final HBSL lineup:

LW: Ovie, Skinner, Landeskog, M. Tkachuk

C: Matthews, Point, Eichel, McKinnon

RW: Aho, Rantanen, Pastrnak, Kucherov

D: Rielly, Carlson, Letang, Chabot, MacAvoy, Dahlin

G: Gibson and Rittich

Going up against the 2nd place guy in my division. I killed it last week, but I'm not feeling good about this lineup. I've second guessed too many times.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Dec 27 @ 9:33 AM ET
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Dec 27 @ 9:37 AM ET

- Aetherial


Future #1 Overall Pick by the Pens in 2030
djr5899
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Davie, FL
Joined: 08.03.2006

Dec 27 @ 10:54 AM ET
Why not see what it would take to get Bozak from STL? They reportedly have everyone on the block. You'd have to offer up some salary (doubt they have interest in Brassard), and maybe get them to retain. But he has worked with Phil, is under contract 2 more years, right handed, good on draws, plays the PK, and most importantly, has consistent 3C production with the right amount of minutes. He gets about 16 and a half minutes with STL, plays a good minute and a half on PK, as well as 2nd PP unit. He's been a 35-55 point scorer getting 3C minutes for STL and Toronto.

Another option would be JT Compher or Alex Kerfoot from Colorado. Compher is young, RFA, right handed, good on draws, PKs, plays C or RW. Kerfoot is similar, except left handed and hasn't PK'd for the Avs. Avs are an extremely young team, with I believe only 3 players over 30 on the roster. They have a ton of cap space right now, but, Rantanen is an RFA who is going to get paid. Offer Brassard and a high pick for Compher. Let Brassard play 2C and slide Soderberg into the 3C spot. If Brassard doesn't work for them, they still have Soderberg, Jost, Kerfoot available to slide over to center.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Dec 27 @ 11:01 AM ET
I think what RW said makes the most sense. The best case for pens is to trade Maatta for the 3C. Then I'd shop Brass for a d-man. We'd be in a good spot as we can just keep Brass and put him on the wing if we don't get the return we want.

So Maatta for Carter makes sense... But generally I don't know how other teams value Maatta
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Dec 27 @ 11:02 AM ET
Why not see what it would take to get Bozak from STL? They reportedly have everyone on the block. You'd have to offer up some salary (doubt they have interest in Brassard), and maybe get them to retain. But he has worked with Phil, is under contract 2 more years, right handed, good on draws, plays the PK, and most importantly, has consistent 3C production with the right amount of minutes. He gets about 16 and a half minutes with STL, plays a good minute and a half on PK, as well as 2nd PP unit. He's been a 35-55 point scorer getting 3C minutes for STL and Toronto.

Another option would be JT Compher or Alex Kerfoot from Colorado. Compher is young, RFA, right handed, good on draws, PKs, plays C or RW. Kerfoot is similar, except left handed and hasn't PK'd for the Avs. Avs are an extremely young team, with I believe only 3 players over 30 on the roster. They have a ton of cap space right now, but, Rantanen is an RFA who is going to get paid. Offer Brassard and a high pick for Compher. Let Brassard play 2C and slide Soderberg into the 3C spot. If Brassard doesn't work for them, they still have Soderberg, Jost, Kerfoot available to slide over to center.

- djr5899


No way COL moves Kerfoot and probably not Compher.

Bozak makes sense IMO.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Dec 27 @ 11:05 AM ET
Why not see what it would take to get Bozak from STL? They reportedly have everyone on the block. You'd have to offer up some salary (doubt they have interest in Brassard), and maybe get them to retain. But he has worked with Phil, is under contract 2 more years, right handed, good on draws, plays the PK, and most importantly, has consistent 3C production with the right amount of minutes. He gets about 16 and a half minutes with STL, plays a good minute and a half on PK, as well as 2nd PP unit. He's been a 35-55 point scorer getting 3C minutes for STL and Toronto.

Another option would be JT Compher or Alex Kerfoot from Colorado. Compher is young, RFA, right handed, good on draws, PKs, plays C or RW. Kerfoot is similar, except left handed and hasn't PK'd for the Avs. Avs are an extremely young team, with I believe only 3 players over 30 on the roster. They have a ton of cap space right now, but, Rantanen is an RFA who is going to get paid. Offer Brassard and a high pick for Compher. Let Brassard play 2C and slide Soderberg into the 3C spot. If Brassard doesn't work for them, they still have Soderberg, Jost, Kerfoot available to slide over to center.

- djr5899


Bozak makes a lot of sense but is quite expensive and already 32 yrs old. I'd be torn on that. I'm not sure they'd want Maatta unless they are planning to ship out other D.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Dec 27 @ 11:09 AM ET
Bozak makes a lot of sense but is quite expensive and already 32 yrs old. I'd be torn on that. I'm not sure they'd want Maatta unless they are planning to ship out other D.
- YouMeAndDupuis9


Bozak is 32 with only two years left on his contract. I’d do it. Maatta isn’t going anywhere.
pensfan024
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: somewhere in, VA
Joined: 09.25.2012

Dec 27 @ 11:14 AM ET
Enter Mr Jordan Stall.

Please
pensfan024
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: somewhere in, VA
Joined: 09.25.2012

Dec 27 @ 11:16 AM ET
Would Pitts bring back Staal?
- Leniwm1


Damn you. Beat me to it.

I will go away now.
djr5899
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Davie, FL
Joined: 08.03.2006

Dec 27 @ 11:34 AM ET
No way COL moves Kerfoot and probably not Compher.

Bozak makes sense IMO.

- Rinosaur

You are probably right on COL, at least for Brassard going the other way. Maatta for Compher or Kerfoot, that might be a different story (but GMJR isn't trading Maatta).

djr5899
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Davie, FL
Joined: 08.03.2006

Dec 27 @ 11:36 AM ET
I think what RW said makes the most sense. The best case for pens is to trade Maatta for the 3C. Then I'd shop Brass for a d-man. We'd be in a good spot as we can just keep Brass and put him on the wing if we don't get the return we want.

So Maatta for Carter makes sense... But generally I don't know how other teams value Maatta

- YouMeAndDupuis9

I'd rather trade a 24 year old Maatta for a 24 year old 3C like Compher or Kerfoot than for an about to be 34 year old center with 3 years left. Let's also not forget, Carter has a good chance to be Brassard 2.0. Carter is getting over 18 minutes a night playing 2C for LA, and averages about 18 minutes a game over his career. He won't get anywhere close to that here, so expecting him to put up great numbers at 3C isn't realistic.

That's why I like Bozak, Compher, and Kerfoot. They are already putting up the right level of 3rd line production with similar minutes to what they would get in Pittsburgh.
pensfan024
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: somewhere in, VA
Joined: 09.25.2012

Dec 27 @ 7:26 PM ET
I have nhl.tv on an Amazon fire stick and this is prolly the 4th game this year that I don't have audio..... Anyone else have this problem?
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