Pretty sure Giroux and his wife have been building a house in the area. I doubt he’d want to be traded in the near future.

Mutually agree to terminate the contract and waive him.
- dragonoffrost

The Flyers don't really have to do anything unless they need the roster spot. Why would Lehtera agree to terminate the contract?

Richards was mutually terminated and got paid...

https://www.forbes.com/si...ds-contract/#1dd1d4064ad3
- dragonoffrost

That was not a mutual termination.

I think it's safe to say that this team isn't winning anything in it's current incarnation.

I'd trade Simmonds, Voracek, Raffl, and Weise today and backfill with minor league guys. Then, I'd figure out what can be done with MacDonald and Gudas, either via trade or stashing one or both in Lehigh Valley.

The problems are team wide. I keep reading the same names being mentioned and while they're certainly part of the problem and have made mistakes, they're not the only ones. Last night Laughton loses his check leading directly to a goal. Pretty much every shift last night Konency was making a bone head play. His ill advised cross ice pass attempt over multiple sticks led directly to a turnover and a transition goal. The puck management and individual errors are team wide top to bottom. Fix that and this team would be much better. They don't need a single trade to improve that.

The Flyers don't really have to do anything unless they need the roster spot. Why would Lehtera agree to terminate the contract?
- MJL

If he's Lehigh bound

They will want him out of here when the proceeding are over. He could go back to Finland serve his time and be done with the incident. If he really wasn't using he probably realizes he made a huge mistake buying for who he did.

Pay the guy to go away and he could agree to it.

The problems are team wide. I keep reading the same names being mentioned and while they're certainly part of the problem and have made mistakes, they're not the only ones. Last night Laughton loses his check leading directly to a goal. Pretty much every shift last night Konency was making a bone head play. His ill advised cross ice pass attempt over multiple sticks led directly to a turnover and a transition goal. The puck management and individual errors are team wide top to bottom. Fix that and this team would be much better. They don't need a single trade to improve that.
- MJL

When it becomes systemic you need to make a statement it will not be tolerated. Practices will only do so much. Self inspection will only do so much. A trade will make people sit back and really take notice.

Also the names being consistently brought up are being done because they are the main culprits. You make it seem like we are on a witch hunt for a scapegoat. We aren't we are only mentioning those names because it's glaring how many times that those forwards don't backcheck or make a turnover that leads to a goal.

I'm not positive on this, but I think if they go with mutual termination, he doesn't get paid and I doubt he's willing to walk away from what will likely be the last decent paydays he ever sees.

I'd just waive him and let him know that there is no need to actually report to LHV. He will not be suspended for not showing up. This gets him off the NHL roster, and out of our lives.
- BiggE

I agree. They can't just terminate his contract until he's found to be guilty, and I'd rather have him not go to LHV. Cap space and contract count aren't issues. Waive him and it frees up a spot on the 23-man roster, and the only issue is paying him his salary.

I, thankfully, only watched the first period. It was sad to hear Bill Clement trying to say encouraging words regarding their play. I saw many of the same issues mainly turnovers and missed assignments, but Bill just kept saying they were playing hard. It's sad. I did not watch the rest of the game as I assumed what was coming. I love Bill Clement in the booth. He always tries to teach the game and provides good insight. I felt bad for him last night trying to put lipstick on a pig. At least in the early stages of the 1st.

I have no answers just a little anxious for the pending trades that will be coming.

When it becomes systemic you need to make a statement it will not be tolerated. Practices will only do so much. Self inspection will only do so much. A trade will make people sit back and really take notice.
- dragonoffrost

Just like firing the coach made people sit back and really take notice? There is only one way. Making a trade won't do it. The team and it's leadership need to commit to it. Claude Giroux can't call players out when he is failing to skate hard on the back check. Neither can Voracek or Simmonds.

I, thankfully, only watched the first period. It was sad to hear Bill Clement trying to say encouraging words regarding their play. I saw many of the same issues mainly turnovers and missed assignments, but Bill just kept saying they were playing hard. It's sad. I did not watch the rest of the game as I assumed what was coming. I love Bill Clement in the booth. He always tries to teach the game and provides good insight. I felt bad for him last night trying to put lipstick on a pig. At least in the early stages of the 1st.

I have no answers just a little anxious for the pending trades that will be coming.
- cdearth23

I'd be surprised if the team that takes the ice this Friday looks the same in February.

Just like firing the coach made people sit back and really take notice? There is only one way. Making a trade won't do it. The team and it's leadership need to commit to it. Claude Giroux can't call players out when he is failing to skate hard on the back check. Neither can Voracek or Simmonds.
- MJL

Firing a coach isn't holding a player accountable. Trading him is. But I guess you don't see it that way so agree to disagree.

I think it's safe to say that this team isn't winning anything in it's current incarnation.

I'd trade Simmonds, Voracek, Raffl, and Weise today and backfill with minor league guys. Then, I'd figure out what can be done with MacDonald and Gudas, either via trade or stashing one or both in Lehigh Valley.
- johndewar

The issue is that if you trade Jake and do NOT get a quality NHL player in return, it is a loss.

Firing a coach isn't holding a player accountable. Trading him is. But I guess you don't see it that way so agree to disagree.
- dragonoffrost

Holding one player accountable isn't going to do it.

The issue is that if you trade Jake and do NOT get a quality NHL player in return, it is a loss.
- cdearth23

I don't think anyone is trading off more than 1 or 2 pieces of this team for picks and mostly that's Simmonds, Raffl, McDonald, Gudas that are those deals. Every deal I've seen Jake mentioned in is a trade for NHL talent.

I'd be surprised if the team that takes the ice this Friday looks the same in February.
- johndewar

I believe you are correct. Start the process of building for 19-20.

It will be interesting to see how the upcoming expansion draft affects what we do with our prospects. Or if it doesn't have an affect at all. Interesting none-the-less.

Holding one player accountable isn't going to do it.
- MJL

If you were slacking at work and another slacker got fired you wouldn't straighten up knowing you could be next? Most of these guys have family. They won't want to move mid season unless they absolutely had to.

Maybe it takes two shots over the bow to warn the rest of the slackers but eventually the message sinks in.

Also the names being consistently brought up are being done because they are the main culprits. You make it seem like we are on a witch hunt for a scapegoat. We aren't we are only mentioning those names because it's glaring how many times that those forwards don't backcheck or make a turnover that leads to a goal.
- dragonoffrost

No they're not the main culprits at all. That is the point. It is absolutely scapegoating. 100%. So many players who are doing the same thing are given a pass. Laughton has even been mentioned for his ridiculous play on the first Arvidsson goal. What you're saying here is completely false. It is team wide.

I believe you are correct. Start the process of building for 19-20.

It will be interesting to see how the upcoming expansion draft affects what we do with our prospects. Or if it doesn't have an affect at all. Interesting none-the-less.
- cdearth23

Anyone currently a NHL or AHL player is going to be either protected or available in that draft. I believe the guys who make the AHL or NHL next year for the first time as a pro will be protected.

If you were slacking at work and another slacker got fired you wouldn't straighten up knowing you could be next? Most of these guys have family. They won't want to move mid season unless they absolutely had to.

Maybe it takes two shots over the bow to warn the rest of the slackers but eventually the message sinks in.
- dragonoffrost

This is not work, this is the NHL. The players know the team is going to make moves. It won't shock them. At all. The in game repeated individual team wide errors are a leadership issue.

No they're not the main culprits at all. That is the point. It is absolutely scapegoating. 100%. So many players who are doing the same thing are given a pass. Laughton has even been mentioned for his ridiculous play on the first Arvidsson goal. What you're saying here is completely false. It is team wide.
- MJL

THAT'S ONE PLAY IN ONE GAME. Laughton has been one of the best players this season.

I don't think anyone is trading off more than 1 or 2 pieces of this team for picks and mostly that's Simmonds, Raffl, McDonald, Gudas that are those deals. Every deal I've seen Jake mentioned in is a trade for NHL talent.
- dragonoffrost

Agreed. How many of our guys are realistically valued by other teams? Honest question. I know we throw scenarios out there all the time but most are unrealistic. "Weise, Lehtera, and AMac" for a quality center is just wishful thinking. More our desire to rid ourselves of them...

I do believe AMac, Gudas, Raffl, Laughton, Leire, Weise, Simmer could be seen as helpful pieces to a contender looking for depth. Simmer can add a spark on the PP. Gudas and Amac are vet depth dmen. Most of our quality players are part of the plan for the future. I don't think Fletch blows it up.

Now, maybe if a strong deal presents itself...

The issue is that if you trade Jake and do NOT get a quality NHL player in return, it is a loss.
- cdearth23

Call Chicago and kick the tires on Toews for Jake straight up.

They get significant cap savings...we get a 2C until Patrick is ready (or the Seattle expansion) and a big help in the locker room in respect to leadership and effort.

Both teams are screwed for this year so Chicago needs to make space to try to get in the Panarin sweepstakes next season. We get someone in to help try to salvage the youngsters development before this shiite show poisons them.

You could always look at the schedule and see which games the Flyers could/should win. Now they are the team everyone in the league wants to play to garner points.

I feel so bad for Fletcher. He has to be thinking WTF did I get myself into?

THAT'S ONE PLAY IN ONE GAME. Laughton has been one of the best players this season.
- dragonoffrost

Laughton has made many, many mistakes away from the puck this season. That's just the most recent. Nobody is immune. NOBODY. A team with the talent the Flyers have doesn't hit the bottom of the NHL standings because 2-3 players aren't playing well.