I was totally with you until suggesting trading Gostisbehere. I'd have to be blown away to deal him.
- MJL

Right. I'm not suggesting giving him away, but for fair value, adios. He's good and his contract is super attractive. He'd get good value as a return.

False narrative. It should be he didn't mention Simmonds.
- MJL

Simmonds is better than JVR. That's why I didn't suggest him.

Yet.

No. He's one of the top scorers (producers) in the league during his tenure. He's doing his part.
- Scoob

The problem is no contender can afford him cap wise and contract year wise and the same with Jake. Have a much better chance of trading them in the off season where teams with space might think about and offer something good in return. Right now we would be looking at like a late 1st and mid prospect and maybe even a crap contract to come our way to make the numbers work. Bottom line, the big contracts will need to wait till off season.

The other thing that's irritating me is jvr. He seems to just float around and really does nothing more.
Also Simmonds. What happened to him. Is he still recovering from pelvic issues. Ive been fighting pelvic issues for four years after surgery with theaopy but I would think he would have top notch medical care. I never thought I would say but we need to move him. That will be a sad day for me. Then we will nothing up front other then players taking their purse out to hit the opposing player to try and get the puck.
I had this a regressed year anyways, but this is just pathetic. Now my thinking 2019-2020 when we become a major force has me severely doubting that as well.

No. He's one of the top scorers (producers) in the league during his tenure. He's doing his part.
- Scoob

Stone, Duchene, Chabot for G, a D and a goalie? Probably a poor example and we would have to sign both Stone and Duchene (UFA this summer).

Whatever we do, we still need our young guys to step up. Right back to where we started.

The other thing that's irritating me is jvr.
- jmdodgeser4

Terrible signing. Just awful.

new year - same old flyers - my take: https://youtu.be/47aHN48w_oQ

Right. I'm not suggesting giving him away, but for fair value, adios. He's good and his contract is super attractive. He'd get good value as a return.
- Scoob

The problem is that when you aren't getting NHL-caliber goaltending, you don't know what the hell to do with some players on the roster who are better offensively than defensively, because every mistake they make winds up in the net -- and they make more of them -- and you'll never be able to outscore poop goaltending

That doesn't mean that I think Ghost has played well. He is among a number of players who have seriously underwhelmed

But when you are getting poop goaltending, players like Ghost and JVR look even worse than they are

Terrible signing. Just awful.
- Scoob

The signing should have worked. They might have the worst ES goaltending in the last 20-plus years

The problem is that when you aren't getting NHL-caliber goaltending, you don't know what the hell to do with some players on the roster who are better offensively than defensively, because every mistake they make winds up in the net -- and they make more of them -- and you'll never be able to outscore poop goaltending

That doesn't mean that I think Ghost has played well. He is among a number of players who have seriously underwhelmed

But when you are getting poop goaltending, players like Ghost and JVR look even worse than they are
- AllInForFlyers

I'm looking at it the other way - when the team in front of the goaltenders sucks, the goaltenders are in a no win situation. Meld Bernie Parent with Marty Brodeur and Patrick Roy and this team still has a crappy record.

I have the answer. It has to come from within the leadership group. So how do we tease it out of them?

I’d say we bring in this guy!

Right. I'm not suggesting giving him away, but for fair value, adios. He's good and his contract is super attractive. He'd get good value as a return.
- Scoob

Not fair value. Gostisbehere has elite puck skills. This team is lacking in that as it is. He's on my almost untouchable list.

The signing should have worked. They might have the worst ES goaltending in the last 20-plus years
- AllInForFlyers

JVR can only score within 10 feet of the net and if someone serves the puck to him on a silver platter. But he doesn't go there. He's the invisible man.

Adi-franking-os.

The signing should have worked. They might have the worst ES goaltending in the last 20-plus years
- AllInForFlyers

I see it as poor roster mix in front of the goalies along with some not making the save. Hart and Elliot's numbers aren't horrid. Have they had bad games yes. But they aren't bad. Pickard was horrid and he's gone. Stolie and Lyon are what they are NHL/AHL tweener guys. Neuvy is unrateable this year due to him playing what 5 games if that?

Stone, Duchene, Chabot for G, a D and a goalie? Probably a poor example and we would have to sign both Stone and Duchene (UFA this summer).

Whatever we do, we still need our young guys to step up. Right back to where we started.
- cdearth23

Zero chance Sens move Chabot Imo.

I'm looking at it the other way - when the team in front of the goaltenders sucks, the goaltenders are in a no win situation. Meld Bernie Parent with Marty Brodeur and Patrick Roy and this team still has a crappy record.
- Scoob

I certainly am not gonna argue against that -- it's not like they've been the '95 Devils in front of their goalies, that's for sure

Right. I'm not suggesting giving him away, but for fair value, adios. He's good and his contract is super attractive. He'd get good value as a return.
- Scoob

The fact that he's good and that his contract is attractive is why we should not trade him.

I wonder if Chicago considered trading Patrick Kane when he was on his 2nd deal, or if they figured he was so good and on such a good deal that they should keep him and build with him.

I certainly am not gonna argue against that -- it's not like they've been the '95 Devils in front of their goalies, that's for sure
- AllInForFlyers

lol - but they did try the 1-2-2 a few times in the last few games.

The fact that he's good and that his contract is attractive is why we should not trade him.

I wonder if Chicago considered trading Patrick Kane when he was on his 2nd deal, or if they figured he was so good and on such a good deal that they should keep him and build with him.
- jmatchett383

It's time for significant pieces to be moved out.

I see it as poor roster mix in front of the goalies along with some not making the save. Hart and Elliot's numbers aren't horrid. Have they had bad games yes. But they aren't bad. Pickard was horrid and he's gone. Stolie and Lyon are what they are NHL/AHL tweener guys. Neuvy is unrateable this year due to him playing what 5 games if that?
- dragonoffrost

At some point, when you're where they are, "some bad games" is just not good enough

They need someone to come in there and make all the saves that should be made at the NHL level. I'm not saying the guy has to stand on his head every night or be Carey Price in his prime, Roy in his prime, Brodeur in his prime

They just can't give up goals that other playoff-caliber teams find ways to minimize. They have to get a guy in there who at least gives them that

The PP is ass. The PK runs hot and cold way too much. They don't play hard enough, to me

But none of that matters if they don't get the saves that half of the league gets consistently

Terrible signing. Just awful.
- Scoob

Eh I wouldn’t call it terrible just yet. Guy has only played in 23 games in his new contract and some of those games you have to think he’s getting his feet/skating back. But he has been frustrating with his lack of hustle some games. It doesn’t help he hasn’t had a consistent centerman to play with outside of Giroux for select games as well as most of his line mates also having down years and our PP being dead last in the league.

It’s a shame that it’s come to this. This team on paper should have what it takes to complete for a top three playoff spot in this division. What I really wanted coming into this season was for this team to take the next step, be consistent and grow through the coming off season. So many bottom six players are coming off the books. So many players within the pipeline looking to fill those roles.

The Flyers were forced to call up Hart. Maybe it’s been too soon, maybe it isn’t but this team hasn’t tried everything. If we haven’t called up Phil Myers to replace a struggling defenseman, we haven’t tried everything. If we haven’t seen a JvR-Giroux-Voracek line, we haven’t tried everything. If we haven’t seen a deal to improve this team, we haven’t seen everything.

Very disappointed in this organization from top to bottom.

It's time for significant pieces to be moved out.
- Scoob

I agree. And I think that he should not be that piece.

Still work to do! Sens Kings and the BLUES ahead in the race for HUGHES!
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Who’s second account is this? Crims or 2real

Zero chance Sens move Chabot Imo.
- arichardson22

Even if Ghost goes the other way? I know they are high on Chabot but you get G coming home, Ghost and a goalie for two guys you might lose in the off-season anyway...

Like I said, probably a poor example but I think we need something drastic. It's been more of the same every year. Got rid of coach and GM and nothing changes. It's time to focus on the leaders in the room.

I certainly am not gonna argue against that -- it's not like they've been the '95 Devils in front of their goalies, that's for sure
- AllInForFlyers

It's symbiotic. In my view there are really two different discussions. One is the roster makeup, which would be there even if they were having a good season. The other is why they're in the basement. That's because of poor puck management, poor play away from the puck and goaltending.