Hextall hasn't been the GM for 7 years. Holmgren stepped down because one, his way of team building was no longer effective, and two, he didn't want to lose Hextall to another team. Hextall had to fundamentally change the organization. I'm as frustrated as anyone but when Hextall took over that reset the clock. I'm okay with it taking the time it's going to take to develop the players of the future.
- MJL

So you arent going to answer the question then, what is an acceptable timeline to win a playoff series in your eyes ?

You can roll semantics out there forever but the facts are the Flyers haven't won a series , let alone a cup , in what will be 8 years and all you keep saying is this vague however long its going to take.

I expect more of a team I support, looks like we disagree.

- PhillySportsGuy

I didn't expect you to answer because you can't. The questions were effective in exposing your opinion for what it is.

So you arent going to answer the question then, what is an acceptable timeline to win a playoff series in your eyes ?

You can roll semantics out there forever but the facts are the Flyers haven't won a series , let alone a cup , in what will be 8 years and all you keep saying is this vague however long its going to take.

I expect more of a team I support, looks like we disagree.
- opeth_pa

I absolutely answered the question. No semantics involved. We knew that patience was going to be needed when Hextall took over and instituted his plan. I'm still willing to be patient.

I absolutely answered the question.
- MJL

This isn't a timeline, "I'm okay with it taking the time it's going to take to develop the players of the future"

Not much point in continuing this thread though, you are okay with them being this bad for this long and I am not.

On to the next topic.

I don't think there was an issue with the coaches or the systems. It's a step by step process. Drafting and developing takes time. Hextall added veteran support players. He wasn't going to go out and trade draft picks or go nuts on the UFA market. Not until the time was right for it. The product last year was 3rd place in the Metro. They were moving forward. This team should be much better than it is.

if you wanted wheeling and dealing and big money spent in the UFA market then they should kept Holmgren in the GM spot. Again, Hextall was doing exactly what he said he was going to do. Hestall's approach was and still is the correct approach in my opinion.
- MJL

Again, not really disagreeing with what you're saying. I'm not saying he should've made a big splash. But his trades really didn't add much to the team. I don't think the coaches were terrible. I just don't think they were right for the team, obviously.

I think Hextall's plan was the right one. I just question whether he could actually follow through with it on a personnel level. This year was worrying as part of his plan.

This isn't a timeline, "I'm okay with it taking the time it's going to take to develop the players of the future"

Not much point in continuing this thread though, you are okay with them being this bad for this long and I am not.

On to the next topic.
- opeth_pa

Yes, it is a timeline. This team will develop on the fortunes of players such as Provorov, Gostisbehere, Sanheim, Konency, Patrick, Frost, Farabee and others. That is how this team, if it does get to the point of being a contender, is going to be built.

if you want to abandon that because they might win more and be a good playoff team but never good enough. Or get to the point where they are capped out again and have to play that game again, so be it. I'm choosing to remain patient and hope the team continues to develop through the draft.

I'm okay with smart moves made with the future in mind, but I don't want to see the team go back to the style it was operating under Holmgren.

This year has gone sideways. Last year they improved 10 points and finished 3rd in the Metro.
- MJL

flyers finished 3rd due to CBJ icing an ECHL lineup their final game because they were terrified to face the Pens in the first round

Again, not really disagreeing with what you're saying. I'm not saying he should've made a big splash. But his trades really didn't add much to the team. I don't think the coaches were terrible. I just don't think they were right for the team, obviously.

I think Hextall's plan was the right one. I just question whether he could actually follow through with it on a personnel level. This year was worrying as part of his plan.
- feelingkettle

His trades were made with the idea of positioning the team for the future. Moving Hartnell, moving Schenn for two picks, etc.

Again, not really disagreeing with what you're saying. I'm not saying he should've made a big splash. But his trades really didn't add much to the team. I don't think the coaches were terrible. I just don't think they were right for the team, obviously.

I think Hextall's plan was the right one. I just question whether he could actually follow through with it on a personnel level. This year was worrying as part of his plan.
- feelingkettle

It's hard to build a contender around players taken in the 10-20 range. That's why nearly every cup winner has multiple top 10 picks leading them. This team needed a true bottoming out.

flyers finished 3rd due to CBJ icing an ECHL lineup their final game because they were terrified to face the Pens in the first round
- KINGKENZO

You're right. Where the Flyers finished in the standings last season came down to one game in an 82 game season.

It's hard to build a contender around players taken in the 10-20 range. That's why nearly every cup winner has multiple top 10 picks leading them. This team needed a true bottoming out.
- PhillySportsGuy

Provorov was picked #7 overall. Patrick was picked #2. Couturier was picked 8th overall.

His trades were made with the idea of positioning the team for the future. Moving Hartnell, moving Schenn for two picks, etc.
- MJL

Trades, signings, coach additions/subtractions. You can't look to the future only and disregard the present. I think that's part of why we're at where we're at.

I also don't think doing something in the name of the future should just get him a free pass on any results in the present.

Anyway, I'm out for the night. Peace out.

I never really understood Hextall's plan with keeping G, Jake & Simmonds here. The timelines were never going to match up.
- hereticpride

Yep he needed to blow it up when he arrived and create his own team. Ashame really

Yes, it is a timeline. This team will develop on the fortunes of players such as Provorov, Gostisbehere, Sanheim, Konency, Patrick, Frost, Farabee and others. That is how this team, if it does get to the point of being a contender, is going to be built.

if you want to abandon that because they might win more and be a good playoff team but never good enough. Or get to the point where they are capped out again and have to play that game again, so be it. I'm choosing to remain patient and hope the team continues to develop through the draft.

I'm okay with smart moves made with the future in mind, but I don't want to see the team go back to the style it was operating under Holmgren.
- MJL

Great..

So 3-4 years from now we can expect to be competitive and you are good with that. Awesome and even that is guaranteed.

We can expect the team to slash prices on tickets right?
Comcast to slash prices on cable ?

Its okay to say that as a fan it sucks that its 8 years since they won a series..That their is, according to you, no actual tangible time line to be competitive again. The team isnt going to show up at your door and revoke your membership card because this poop sucks as a paying fan.

Provorov was picked #7 overall. Patrick was picked #2. Couturier was picked 8th overall.
- MJL

Is this an argument for or against picking in the top 10?

If there isn't a trade by the 15th I think I'm out for the rest of the season. They'll go no better than .500 the rest of the way with this group as is.

Trades, signings, coach additions/subtractions. You can't look to the future only and disregard the present. I think that's part of why we're at where we're at.

I also don't think doing something in the name of the future should just get him a free pass on any results in the present.

Anyway, I'm out for the night. Peace out.
- feelingkettle

He didn't. He brought in players like Gudas, Fillpula, and Elliott to help for now. Hextall's plan should've been judged by where the team ultimately wound up. They aren't close to that point.

Is this an argument for or against picking in the top 10?
- PhillySportsGuy

It's an argument for showing that what you're insinuating was incorrect.

If there isn't a trade by the 15th I think I'm out for the rest of the season. They'll go no better than .500 the rest of the way with this group as is.
- hereticpride

No point in making a deal now unless it clearly makes the team better.
This season is a lost cause.
Go full tank and move Jake, Simmonds, whomever for more picks .

You're right. Where the Flyers finished in the standings last season came down to one game in an 82 game season.

- MJL

they finished where they finished on merit but lets not disregard CBJ doing what they did either. They wanted to play Washington. They know BOB turns into a sieve vs Crosby & Co.....it didnt help them, regardless

So tied for league worst?

Great..

So 3-4 years from now we can expect to be competitive and you are good with that. Awesome and even that is guaranteed.

We can expect the team to slash prices on tickets right?
Comcast to slash prices on cable ?

Its okay to say that as a fan it sucks that its 8 years since they won a series..That their is, according to you, no actual tangible time line to be competitive again. The team isnt going to show up at your door and revoke your membership card because this poop sucks as a paying fan.
- opeth_pa

I expect the team to be far more than just competitive in the next 3-4 years. If you don't like the product than don't sink money into it. That's a personal choice and a different conversation. I want to see the team lift the Cup again in my lifetime. I think Hextall's plan was the best way to try and accomplish that.

It's an argument for showing that what you're insinuating was incorrect.
- MJL

Strong argument

Boy I sure don’t want a GM like Holmgren again!!!! Inherit a last place team and go to the Stanley cup within 5 years... (frank) that I want the 10 year rebuild...😎

Great..

So 3-4 years from now we can expect to be competitive and you are good with that. Awesome and even that is guaranteed.

We can expect the team to slash prices on tickets right?
Comcast to slash prices on cable ?

Its okay to say that as a fan it sucks that its 8 years since they won a series..That their is, according to you, no actual tangible time line to be competitive again. The team isnt going to show up at your door and revoke your membership card because this poop sucks as a paying fan.
- opeth_pa

If Comcast does that I’ll root for the Flyers