The return the flyers get on Simmonds, jake,coots will be minimal. Last yr my brother in law thought the sabres were going to get a ton for kane.They ended up getting a late 1st and a player who plays in the minors.That 1st only became a 1st because kane resigned with sj.Otherwise it would have been a 2nd. No my brother in law isnt Garth.lol.
- flyeredup85

Kane has reputation issues. Simmonds doesn't. That also affected the return for Kane.

I think Kane is a little overrated. Not saying he isn't a good player but i think he was more of a name. I believe that's why you didn't see the big offers you thought.
- J35Bacher

I think there was a lot of baggage with kane as well...There was a lot more risk for a team to take a chance on him. With Simmer that is not even a question. honestly the Flyers don't want to lose him, but the term he will ask for makes it too tough to entertain keeping him.

So I'm teetering on the lose for Hughes balance beam. I dont want to see the whole team torn apart, but I think some guys just have to go. I just want to see a good return.

Kane and Simmonds are not the same type of players. I dont see them moving Couts.
- youarewrong

I think they are very similar. They are both physical, both score 20-30 goals,both play wing.Only difference is kane skates better and Simmonds reputation is much better.Kane is also younger.Simmonds wants similar money that kane got.The Flyers are 14 pts out of the playoffs.No chance for playoffs.The have the least regulation wins in the league. Pathetic. The Flyers and playoffs spoken in the same sentence is blasphemy

So I'm teetering on the lose for Hughes balance beam. I dont want to see the whole team torn apart, but I think some guys just have to go. I just want to see a good return.
- youarewrong

I would be happy to see 60 minutes of play with the team they have...

It’s getting really hard to give a (frank) about this team anymore, and that’s coming from a fan whose earliest memories of the team include names like Doug Favell, Andre Lacroix and Jean-Guy Gendron.
- BiggE

Yup, BiggE, those names are synonymous with my first Flyers memories, too. This once proud, ferocious franchise has been reduced to nothing more than moral victories of (for example) grade-A and grade-B scoring chances.

No offense, Bill, but you can’t gift wrap poop. This is a flawed product, and nothing short of a tear down and rebuild will fix things.

I would be happy to see 60 minutes of play with the team they have...
- JW98FlyerFan

This roster if and only if it could figure out how to play consistent 60 minute high effort hockey would be a playoff lock. Problem is they coast too damn much and it always bites them in the ass because when they coast it's for too long. Then they finally decided to play and make the game close like last night. It's just sickening.



This is not a coaching thing, it's a team leadership thing. That's the only way it happens with 5 coaches...

Yup, BiggE, those names are synonymous with my first Flyers memories, too. This once proud, ferocious franchise has been reduced to nothing more than moral victories of (for example) grade-A and grade-B scoring chances.

No offense, Bill, but you can’t gift wrap poop. This is a flawed product, and nothing short of a tear down and rebuild will fix things.
- BroadSTmayhem

The Flyers need to make some moves. That would be the case even if the team was in the playoff hunt. They need to tweak the roster more towards the speed and quickness side. They don't however need to panic and overreact to this season. They need to make some smart moves, figure out what they're going to do with goaltending moving forward and continue to draft and develop.

Hard to make a deal if no one is buying what you are selling.

The mistakes that doomed this team were made in the offseason:

You move on from Neuvirth and do what it takes to bring in another veteran goalie.

You don’t allow the team to go into camp hoping that Weal or a prospect can be the 3rd center you badly need.

These 2 gaffes put the team at a disadvantage from game 1. We talk about players underperforming all day, but if this team starts the season with a quality, experienced goalie who can play the majority of the games and 1 more solid middle 6 center, they are likely competing for a playoff spot right now and no one would be out of a job.
- BiggE


And you went out and signed van Riemsdyk long term but was that foolish now looking how the roster could get a little reshaping?

And i don't know but he just doesn't look great. i know he scored but he just seems like he isn't engaged a lot. Is he really that reliant on a center?
- J35Bacher

No JVR is just really that soft and timid. I wasn't particularly happy with the signing when it happened and it's even worse than I thought. He got his cash, and, if possible, he now cares even less than he did before. I would love to see him get traded, but I doubt there'd be a whole lot of interest in him right now.

I think they are very similar. They are both physical, both score 20-30 goals,both play wing.Only difference is kane skates better and Simmonds reputation is much better.Kane is also younger.Simmonds wants similar money that kane got.The Flyers are 14 pts out of the playoffs.No chance for playoffs.The have the least regulation wins in the league. Pathetic. The Flyers and playoffs spoken in the same sentence is blasphemy
- flyeredup85

I think this is the key difference. GMs might take a risk on Kane in their locker room for the playoffs but they will fight each other to have Simmonds leadership.

I expect to get an unconditional 1st regardless if he resigns, plus 2 conditional 2nds... 1 if he resigns and 1 if they make the finals or something like that. I would be happy with that. Get the job done to Edmonton, and tell Manning to take McDavid out in practice alla gudas and we will resign him in the offseason for an extra mil...lols

So just trying to spitball with the trade deadline. Here is where i see the roster players:

Not going anywhere unless for McDavid:
Giroux
Couturier
Patrick
Konecny
Provorov
Sanheim
Gostisbehere

Most likely not moved:
Hagg
Morin
Lindblom
van Riemsdyk(only because of term and money left but I woudn't be against moving him)

I would listen but seems like a at the draft move:
Voracek

I would shop:
Simmonds
Raffl(versatile player who could bring depth to another team. WOuldn't be against bringing back in FA if nothing internal is brought up)
Gudas
MacDonald(probably not happening)
Neuvirth
Weal
Weise(again most likely not happening because of term and money)


Anyone want to add or have other feelings?

Not defending JVR but a player who scores in tight needs someone to get him the puck, hex should have had a plan for that. JVR based on games played is on pace for 48 points, not great but not the problem with the team. Hägg has as many points as provy and Sanheim, the pieces just don’t fit together. They need another good center, they need speed with play making ability.
- wcorvette

This is a defense of JvR and a good one. What were some of you expecting? Putting on the third line next to Jordan Weal anc second PP is only a Recipe for disaster.

I also want to add, comparing Simmonds JvR is such a lazy comparison. Yes, they both wear the title of power forward but they both offer something much different from the other.

This roster if and only if it could figure out how to play consistent 60 minute high effort hockey would be a playoff lock. Problem is they coast too damn much and it always bites them in the ass because when they coast it's for too long. Then they finally decided to play and make the game close like last night. It's just sickening.



This is not a coaching thing, it's a team leadership thing. That's the only way it happens with 5 coaches...
- dragonoffrost

I think this is right... IMO too many players try to "slow the game down" like Giroux does and make too many drop passes, blind passes, or pretty plays that work in practice.

I think this is the key difference. GMs might take a risk on Kane in their locker room for the playoffs but they will fight each other to have Simmonds leadership.

I expect to get an unconditional 1st regardless if he resigns, plus 2 conditional 2nds... 1 if he resigns and 1 if they make the finals or something like that. I would be happy with that. Get the job done to Edmonton, and tell Manning to take McDavid out in practice alla gudas and we will resign him in the offseason for an extra mil...lols
- youarewrong

My guess is that you get a first for Simmonds, and maybe a conditional pick if he re-signs or if the acquiring team goes to the finals or wins the Cup. My money is on Boston. They need secondary scoring and he'd be a good fit for them.

So just trying to spitball with the trade deadline. Here is where i see the roster players:

Not going anywhere unless for McDavid:
Giroux
Couturier
Patrick
Konecny
Provorov
Sanheim
Gostisbehere

Most likely not moved:
Hagg
Morin
Lindblom
van Riemsdyk(only because of term and money left but I woudn't be against moving him)

I would listen but seems like a at the draft move:
Voracek

I would shop:
Simmonds
Raffl(versatile player who could bring depth to another team. WOuldn't be against bringing back in FA if nothing internal is brought up)
Gudas
MacDonald(probably not happening)
Neuvirth
Weal
Weise(again most likely not happening because of term and money)


Anyone want to add or have other feelings?
- J35Bacher

For me it's G, Coots, Provy, Ghost,Sanhiem & Hart.

Everyone else can be moved if the return is good enough.

No JVR is just really that soft and timid. I wasn't particularly happy with the signing when it happened and it's even worse than I thought. He got his cash, and, if possible, he now cares even less than he did before. I would love to see him get traded, but I doubt there'd be a whole lot of interest in him right now.
- BiggE

I would trade JVR only if you tell Simmonds your resigning him in the offseason after he wins his cup. JVR and Simmonds are a lot alike playing style. Simmonds brings more to the table with physicality and leadership.. at least he used to. Sut I dont want to lose both because I truely think this team will be right back in the mix next season.

No JVR is just really that soft and timid. I wasn't particularly happy with the signing when it happened and it's even worse than I thought. He got his cash, and, if possible, he now cares even less than he did before. I would love to see him get traded, but I doubt there'd be a whole lot of interest in him right now.
- BiggE

I think this is about as unfair as unfair gets. I think JvR is being misused and coming off a knee injury. I’m never gonna pretend like I know how a player feels and challenge his Integrity.

So just trying to spitball with the trade deadline. Here is where i see the roster players:

Not going anywhere unless for McDavid:
Giroux
Couturier
Patrick
Konecny
Provorov
Sanheim
Gostisbehere

Most likely not moved:
Hagg
Morin
Lindblom
van Riemsdyk(only because of term and money left but I woudn't be against moving him)

I would listen but seems like a at the draft move:
Voracek

I would shop:
Simmonds
Raffl(versatile player who could bring depth to another team. WOuldn't be against bringing back in FA if nothing internal is brought up)
Gudas
MacDonald(probably not happening)
Neuvirth
Weal
Weise(again most likely not happening because of term and money)


Anyone want to add or have other feelings?
- J35Bacher

I would shop JVR hard at the draft, and be willing to retain up to 1.5 million to make a deal happen. I just can't stand soft players that don't give a 100% and that is JVR. I'd only move Jake in a hockey trade that I feel benefits the club and if that is going to happen, it would likely happen at the draft.

Right now, no one is untouchable, but the return would have to absolutely blow me away to move guys like Provorov, Patrick, Coots, TK or Ghost. When it comes to Giroux, it's up to him, he has an NMC. If he wants to go to a contender, I'd try to move him, but I think he wants to stay and I'm happy to have him.

When it comes to the guys you want to move now, good luck moving most of them. Gudas and Raffl will have some, though limited value and of the 2, I'd move Raffl first. Gudas is still your only RH shooting Dman and one of the few guys on this team that plays with any physicality. Of the rest, Simmonds is the only one with any real value.

I think this is about as unfair as unfair gets. I think JvR is being misused and coming off a knee injury. I’m never gonna pretend like I know how a player feels and challenge his Integrity.
- SuperSchennBros

It's not about how he feels, it's about what I've seen. He makes no effort to get back on D, nor does he make any effort to go into the corners and win a puck battle in the O zone. I don't think it's unfair at all.

This is a defense of JvR and a good one. What were some of you expecting? Putting on the third line next to Jordan Weal anc second PP is only a Recipe for disaster.

I also want to add, comparing Simmonds JvR is such a lazy comparison. Yes, they both wear the title of power forward but they both offer something much different from the other.
- SuperSchennBros

But that is kind of why I question the signing in the first place. It seems like it was reactionary without really thinking where he would play.

I almost feel like I would have paid a little more then what Calgary did for a Derek Ryan to fill a 3c role then pay for what I did for van Reimsdyk without a real plan on where he would play.

You knew Simmonds also needed PP time to be effective so it just didn't seem to make a ton of sense.

For me it's G, Coots, Provy, Ghost,Sanhiem & Hart.

Everyone else can be moved if the return is good enough.
- hereticpride

No-way list.. Giroux, Provorov, Sanheim, Morin, Hart, Patrick, and anyone listed as a prospect

Probably not but will listen:
Couturier, Konecny, Lindblom

And I would put Ghost on the block and see what I could get back.

I've seen clips of Evander Kane skating with the puck then firing a shot past the goalie. When have we EVER seen Simmer do that? Simmer needs to be set up for his goals (either pass or rebound). He doesn't carry the puck well. JvR seems to handle the puck better, but he also needs help. We lack a top center. Coots is not the answer. Right now, our only option is G.

I am tired of this sick, pathetic looking team. Game after game. We know we have to be better... Then freaking make an effort. With our level of talent, the only thing missing is compete. We should not be at the bottom of the league. With our talent and guys competing we should be in the middle of the pack at least. We are not a top team, but we are also not one of the worst teams.

Oh, let's not forget, this season would have been different if Corban Knight didn't get hurt...!!! That's his name, right.

My last ditch effort;

JvR, G, Jake
Lindblom, Patty, TK
Raffl, Coots, Simmer
Laughton, Varone, Weise

Provy, Sanheim
Ghost, Gudas
AMac/Folin, Hagg

(Myers and Morin get minutes this season ahead of whoever)

Elliott/Stolie

Let Hart finish out year with Phantoms.

I would shop JVR hard at the draft, and be willing to retain up to 1.5 million to make a deal happen. I just can't stand soft players that don't give a 100% and that is JVR. I'd only move Jake in a hockey trade that I feel benefits the club and if that is going to happen, it would likely happen at the draft.

Right now, no one is untouchable, but the return would have to absolutely blow me away to move guys like Provorov, Patrick, Coots, TK or Ghost. When it comes to Giroux, it's up to him, he has an NMC. If he wants to go to a contender, I'd try to move him, but I think he wants to stay and I'm happy to have him.

When it comes to the guys you want to move now, good luck moving most of them. Gudas and Raffl will have some, though limited value and of the 2, I'd move Raffl first. Gudas is still your only RH shooting Dman and one of the few guys on this team that plays with any physicality. Of the rest, Simmonds is the only one with any real value.
- BiggE

Your going to laugh but would you move van Riemsdyk to Edmonton, who is rumored to want a top 6 winger, and take back Lucic in the deal if you could get back also a pick or prospect?

Like say the return is Lucic and Puljujarvi for van Reimsdyk and Laughton?

no money retained anywhere.

Does it work or is Lucic that far gone? At least we would have one forward who is physical.

I've seen clips of Evander Kane skating with the puck then firing a shot past the goalie. When have we EVER seen Simmer do that? Simmer needs to be set up for his goals (either pass or rebound). He doesn't carry the puck well. JvR seems to handle the puck better, but he also needs help. We lack a top center. Coots is not the answer. Right now, our only option is G.

I am tired of this sick, pathetic looking team. Game after game. We know we have to be better... Then freaking make an effort. With our level of talent, the only thing missing is compete. We should not be at the bottom of the league. With our talent and guys competing we should be in the middle of the pack at least. We are not a top team, but we are also not one of the worst teams.

Oh, let's not forget, this season would have been different if Corban Knight didn't get hurt...!!! That's his name, right.

My last ditch effort;

JvR, G, Jake
Lindblom, Patty, TK
Raffl, Coots, Simmer
Laughton, Varone, Weise

Provy, Sanheim
Ghost, Gudas
AMac/Folin, Hagg

(Myers and Morin get minutes this season ahead of whoever)

Elliott/Stolie

Let Hart finish out year with Phantoms.
- cdearth23

I disagree with this. I think he is a legit top center for this team.

There are still 42 -- FORTY-TWO -- games left in this poop season

Let that rattle around in your head a minute