You could hire Peter Chiarelli, Mike Milbury and the guy below to make the trade and it wouldn’t be that (frank)ing bad.

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- RafiDRW

Forwards
McDavid
Drai
Nuge
Puju (AHL)
Yamamoto (AHL)
Benson (AHL)
Khaira

Defence
Klefbom
Larsson
Nurse
Jones
Bouchard (Minors)

That’s a decent foundation to build a team around.....put someone in the GM seat who has a true understanding of the game today and I’m sure they could make something of that....but nope Chia has decided to do the opposite
- RatedR80

Id be interested in the Torterella experience. lol

Yeah so imagine where this team is at if the other guys can get to the middle of the pack....it’s a totally different situation
- RatedR80

on paper they should be able too, but Im begining to think they may have been over valued. It may be time to give up on some of em, send pool party and yammo to the AHL and develop properly, fire chia and call this year a wash.

Holding 20/23 players accountable like he should.
- RafiDRW

He should have done that ages ago...press box some of these guys....it’s unreal

Id be interested in the Torterella experience. lol
- herecomesGUMP

Torts? Nah this team needs a coach who is used to working with and understanding young players in today’s game....I’m not going to blame Hitch but he isn’t going to be around after this season

on paper they should be able too, but Im begining to think they may have been over valued. It may be time to give up on some of em, send pool party and yammo to the AHL and develop properly, fire chia and call this year a wash.
- herecomesGUMP

Send them both down and don’t even bother with them till training camp...let them score goals and win games and perhaps get some playoff experience down there....get them far away from this current mess

Torts? Nah this team needs a coach who is used to working with and understanding young players in today’s game....I’m not going to blame Hitch but he isn’t going to be around after this season
- RatedR80

But wouldnt his interviews after this poop be so much fun?

But wouldnt his interviews after this poop be so much fun?
- herecomesGUMP

Oh they certainly would be....MacT had his moments when he was coaching the Oilers as well

https://pbs.twimg.com/med...DwJxTXwVYAAfEKk.jpg:large

To go off the note of getting "the rest" up to the middle of the pack, let's take this chart as evidence of what that looks like. As of now, the Oilers sans McDavid on the ice have scored 34 goals and allowed 55 goals for a GF% of 38.2 (now bottom in the league after this game). Getting them up to league median (45%) requires a difference of 14 goals, not to mention the positive score effects and EN difference these extra goals would've made.

How does one account for 14 goals? A top-6 forward creating offense with Nuge on a 2nd line and perhaps an improvement to our 3rd line would go a long way. Not playing Lucic- like, at all- may well be precisely that improvement needed on our 3rd line.

GF with Lucic on-ice: 31.82%
GF w/o Lucic on-ice: ~48.86%
GF w/o Lucic or McDavid: ~41.21%
GF/60 w/ Talbot: 0.76 (barely replacement level)
GF/60 w/ Koskinen: 1.01 (low-end 4th liner)

I think it's entirely fair to suggest the difference between a Nyquist or Zucker and the "contributions" of Yamamoto and Puljujarvi account for a difference of AT LEAST 10 goals (to cautiously predict low-end) and we're hesitating because "the future"? Winning is the game and you don't do that by waiting for a future that may never come and that, by virtue of waiting, you risk your best players losing interest.

Send them both down and don’t even bother with them till training camp...let them score goals and win games and perhaps get some playoff experience down there....get them far away from this current mess
- RatedR80

Russell was a low-event, solid contributor while he was here. Let's bring him up and afford Puljujarvi and Yamamoto the chance to light it up and develop some chemistry with the next wave. A top-6 of Yamamoto-Gambardella-Puljujarvi and Benson-Marody-Hebig is among the best in that league and the D is doing fine.

While you're at it, make a swap of Spooner and a 2020 1st for Nyquist. Maybe Nyquist doesn't resign, but you give it a chance, get to negotiate unopposed for a bit and get rid of Spooners salary at worst. 3.1mil in cap relief is historically worth around a low 2nd/high 3rd iirc. Need that money to go towards something useful. Buyout Lucic while you're at it to free up 2.375mil next year (along with Spooner, covers most of a Nyquist contract).

To go off the note of getting "the rest" up to the middle of the pack, let's take this chart as evidence of what that looks like. As of now, the Oilers sans McDavid on the ice have scored 34 goals and allowed 55 goals for a GF% of 38.2 (now bottom in the league after this game). Getting them up to league median (45%) requires a difference of 14 goals, not to mention the positive score effects and EN difference these extra goals would've made.

How does one account for 14 goals? A top-6 forward creating offense with Nuge on a 2nd line and perhaps an improvement to our 3rd line would go a long way. Not playing Lucic- like, at all- may well be precisely that improvement needed on our 3rd line.

GF with Lucic on-ice: 31.82%
GF w/o Lucic on-ice: ~48.86%
GF w/o Lucic or McDavid: ~41.21%
GF/60 w/ Talbot: 0.76 (barely replacement level)
GF/60 w/ Koskinen: 1.01 (low-end 4th liner)

I think it's entirely fair to suggest the difference between a Nyquist or Zucker and the "contributions" of Yamamoto and Puljujarvi account for a difference of AT LEAST 10 goals (to cautiously predict low-end) and we're hesitating because "the future"? Winning is the game and you don't do that by waiting for a future that may never come and that, by virtue of waiting, you risk your best players losing interest.
- MaximumBone

I would be hard pressed to find a new public enemy #1 whose name isn’t Lucic after this game....he was called out by Stauffer for not competing vs his former team mates and off season friends in LA....when a Oilers homer whose job is to pump up the Oilers calls you out for lack of compete that could be a sign.....at this point it doesn’t matter if he sits in the press box his contributions would actually improve the team from there....getting a top 6 forward should be the priority....nobody else on the team is going to step up....should have been a long time ago but no we focused on bottom pairing D-Men instead.....If Puju and Yamamoto can contribute that would be great but I’m not seeing it right now....hell Yamamoto can’t even stay on the ice let alone contribute

https://pbs.twimg.com/med...DwJxTXwVYAAfEKk.jpg:large

To go off the note of getting "the rest" up to the middle of the pack, let's take this chart as evidence of what that looks like. As of now, the Oilers sans McDavid on the ice have scored 34 goals and allowed 55 goals for a GF% of 38.2 (now bottom in the league after this game). Getting them up to league median (45%) requires a difference of 14 goals, not to mention the positive score effects and EN difference these extra goals would've made.

How does one account for 14 goals? A top-6 forward creating offense with Nuge on a 2nd line and perhaps an improvement to our 3rd line would go a long way. Not playing Lucic- like, at all- may well be precisely that improvement needed on our 3rd line.

GF with Lucic on-ice: 31.82%
GF w/o Lucic on-ice: ~48.86%
GF w/o Lucic or McDavid: ~41.21%
GF/60 w/ Talbot: 0.76 (barely replacement level)
GF/60 w/ Koskinen: 1.01 (low-end 4th liner)

I think it's entirely fair to suggest the difference between a Nyquist or Zucker and the "contributions" of Yamamoto and Puljujarvi account for a difference of AT LEAST 10 goals (to cautiously predict low-end) and we're hesitating because "the future"? Winning is the game and you don't do that by waiting for a future that may never come and that, by virtue of waiting, you risk your best players losing interest.
- MaximumBone

I agree for the most part, I think we can come try and do better than Nyquist. Not even sure who to suggest, I assume when they become an oiler they retire and play shiny.

Russell was a low-event, solid contributor while he was here. Let's bring him up and afford Puljujarvi and Yamamoto the chance to light it up and develop some chemistry with the next wave. A top-6 of Yamamoto-Gambardella-Puljujarvi and Benson-Marody-Hebig is among the best in that league and the D is doing fine.

While you're at it, make a swap of Spooner and a 2020 1st for Nyquist. Maybe Nyquist doesn't resign, but you give it a chance, get to negotiate unopposed for a bit and get rid of Spooners salary at worst. 3.1mil in cap relief is historically worth around a low 2nd/high 3rd iirc. Need that money to go towards something useful. Buyout Lucic while you're at it to free up 2.375mil next year (along with Spooner, covers most of a Nyquist contract).
- MaximumBone

You could trade for Nyquist or Zucker as you suggested that’s top 6.....you could maybe see if Pirri is available....that’s an improvement for our forward group who is cheaper....there are options out there.....let the kids develop and win and find guys who can help now.....why is it that every GM seems to get this except Chia?....oh we might want to look into a goaltender as well I can’t see both of them being here by seasons end and we will need somebody

You could trade for Nyquist or Zucker as you suggested that’s top 6.....you could maybe see if Pirri is available....that’s an improvement for our forward group who is cheaper....there are options out there.....let the kids develop and win and find guys who can help now.....why is it that every GM seems to get this except Chia?....oh we might want to look into a goaltender as well I can’t see both of them being here by seasons end and we will need somebody
- RatedR80

Pirri was sent down to the minors again. Theyhave to be willing to move him.

I agree for the most part, I think we can come try and do better than Nyquist. Not even sure who to suggest, I assume when they become an oiler they retire and play shiny.
- herecomesGUMP

10g and 25a for 35 points half way into the season....might hit 70 points and is 29 sure but he isn’t expired yet....how does he not help our top 6 situation?.....we lost out on Skinner and Hoffman who are both having good years this year

10g and 25a for 35 points half way into the season....might hit 70 points and is 29 sure but he isn’t expired yet....how does he not help our top 6 situation?.....we lost out on Skinner and Hoffman who are both having good years this year
- RatedR80

I cant think of any good argument after looking at his contract. He is worth his 4 and 3/4 mill. Honestly anything with a pulse and a desire to win would be a good fit.

10g and 25a for 35 points half way into the season....might hit 70 points and is 29 sure but he isn’t expired yet....how does he not help our top 6 situation?.....we lost out on Skinner and Hoffman who are both having good years this year
- RatedR80

I have always thought of him as undersized and streaky. But looking at his stat lines, hes pretty consistent.

I agree for the most part, I think we can come try and do better than Nyquist.
- herecomesGUMP

We're not gonna be able to afford to acquire or retain Mark Stone and he's about the only scorer that's potentially on the market right now. He has a substantial positive influence on his team's chance creation and conversion rate. Plus he's fast. If I had to rank order potentially available wingers that could help solely on ability- not including contract or age- it'd be as follows:

Tarasenko
Stone
-------------- point of cap (frank)ery
Zucker
Nyquist
Kapanen
Coyle
Toffoli
|
| notable gap
|
Pirri

I'm sick of being scared into inaction by it not being "the perfect fit" or not "good enough of a player. Time to upgrade; make it happen.

We're not gonna be able to afford to acquire or retain Mark Stone and he's about the only scorer that's potentially on the market right now. He has a substantial positive influence on his team's chance creation and conversion rate. Plus he's fast. If I had to rank order potentially available wingers that could help solely on ability- not including contract or age- it'd be as follows:

Tarasenko
Stone
-------------- point of cap (frank)ery
Nyquist
Zucker
Kapanen
Coyle
Toffoli
|
| notable gap
|
Pirri

I'm sick of being scared into inaction by it not being "the perfect fit" or not "good enough of a player. Time to upgrade; make it happen.
- MaximumBone

Again very valid, but I dont think Chia is the man to get it done and not hand cuff us to the bumper of a bus heading to the QEW.

Again very valid, but I dont think Chia is the man to get it done and not hand cuff us to the bumper of a bus heading to the QEW.
- herecomesGUMP

This is all obviously assuming Chiarelli is gone. I thought that was implied.

You could trade for Nyquist or Zucker as you suggested that’s top 6.....you could maybe see if Pirri is available....that’s an improvement for our forward group who is cheaper....there are options out there.....let the kids develop and win and find guys who can help now.....why is it that every GM seems to get this except Chia?....oh we might want to look into a goaltender as well I can’t see both of them being here by seasons end and we will need somebody
- RatedR80

After another mediocre finish, Minnesota might be precisely the opportunity to meet our needs with one trade. Both Zucker and Coyle in one trade could fix our problem. Puljujarvi/Yamamoto, Spooner, a 2020 1st and a 2021 2nd (cond. upon Coyle resigning).

After another mediocre finish, Minnesota might be precisely the opportunity to meet our needs with one trade. Both Zucker and Coyle in one trade could fix our problem. Puljujarvi/Yamamoto, Spooner, a 2020 1st and a 2021 2nd (cond. upon Coyle resigning).
- MaximumBone

Minnesota is closer to being in the playoff hunt than Edmonton is and they have a game in hand on us. Why would they do us a favor and make themselves worse immediately, for potential long run benefit?
And secondly, Spooner has 0 to negative trade value. They arent accepting that deal. It would be closer if you didnt include him.
3rd, Puj is approaching negative value now too. He cant produce in the show to date. Just because he has potential doesnt mean another team values him the same. The opposite teams have to look at it completely and say sure he has potential to be a true top 6, but he also has potential to be no more than he actually is now. Look at things from the other team as if you are the GM there too.

Boston might want to add a cheaper Lucic....he has had lots of success with guys there and maybe that’s what he needs.....can’t see LA doing it nor SJ.....best bet from your list is Boston
- RatedR80

Boston gets - Lucic (2m retained), Yamo, Spooner (has had success in Boston before with the same group of players)
Edmonton gets - Nyquist (extension in place), Nielsen (1-2m retained), Frk
Detroit gets - EDM 2019 First (Top 10 protected)*, Donato, Wagner, Kassian

*If a top 10 pick in 2019, the 2019 1st will be switched with the 2020 1st with no limiting conditions.

I'd like to pry Debrusk from Boston, but that would mean switching up Yamo with Pulj. Even that may not be enough.

All of the teams would/should still be below the cap.

I leave it to you guys to try and modify this to your liking.

Sorry for the re-post, but thoughts?

Boston gets - Lucic (2m retained), Yamo, Spooner (has had success in Boston before with the same group of players)
Edmonton gets - Nyquist (extension in place), Nielsen (1-2m retained), Frk
Detroit gets - EDM 2019 First (Top 10 protected)*, Donato, Wagner, Kassian

*If a top 10 pick in 2019, the 2019 1st will be switched with the 2020 1st with no limiting conditions.

I'd like to pry Debrusk from Boston, but that would mean switching up Yamo with Pulj. Even that may not be enough.

All of the teams would/should still be below the cap.

I leave it to you guys to try and modify this to your liking.

Sorry for the re-post, but thoughts?
- EdmHockeyMan

Did you edit my picture?

Did you edit my picture?
- RafiDRW

Yeah. It got reported by someone. So I took precautionary measures for your own sake (a diff. Mod could have banned you).