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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 6 @ 7:57 PM ET
Foles and Goedert doe
- Nucker101

they didn't use ertz and goedert enough IMO
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 6 @ 7:59 PM ET
Gonna break out the Macallan 18 to celebrate this one!
- BiggE


I’m one a head of ya....πŸ¦…πŸ¦…πŸ¦…πŸ¦…πŸ¦…
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 6 @ 8:00 PM ET
FLY EAGLES FLY
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 6 @ 8:00 PM ET
they didn't use ertz and goedert enough IMO
- 2Real



That’s for the film room...on to next week..πŸ¦…πŸ¦…πŸ¦…
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 6 @ 8:01 PM ET
too bad we didn't see adams
- 2Real


I’m ok with that right now...(frank)ing eh!
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: β€œHow many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Jan 6 @ 8:26 PM ET
Gonna break out the Macallan 18 to celebrate this one!
- BiggE


Im gonna do the same
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 6 @ 8:34 PM ET
they didn't use ertz and goedert enough IMO
- 2Real


agreed
Djapana
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Sunset Dreaming, FL
Joined: 09.16.2017

Jan 6 @ 8:39 PM ET
The legend of Nick Foles keeps growing
- opeth_pa

If he wins a second Super Bowl he’s a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jan 6 @ 9:29 PM ET
Always knew Cody would win the Eagles a game.
easY
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.20.2018

Jan 6 @ 10:02 PM ET
One post short of a Vinny.


- Tomahawk

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8Jay8
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.17.2014

Jan 7 @ 2:17 AM ET
They're probably best waiting for the TDL at this point. Set a high price for Simmonds and wait for the highest bidder. Raffl and Gudas should also be shopped.

If anyone is interested in Weal, Folin or Neuvirth, send them packing as well. Make it known that Macdonald is available with 50% salary retained. Just eliminate Lehtera from the equation. Not sure why it hasnt happened already.

Though I dont expect it to be this drastic, hopefully we can see a line up full of youth for the rest of the way.

Giroux Couturier Konecny
JVR Patrick Voracek
Lindblom Voroboyev NAK
Laughton Varone Weise

Provorov Sanheim
Ghost Myers
Morin Hagg

Elliott/Stolarz/Hart/Lyon

- Baxter27




Thank heaven you're not the GM. It's the 21st century, you should really take a look at some advanced stats instead of relying on perception, which is often flawed due to peer opinions, aka sheep effect.

Here are players you mentioned to shop:
Gudas CF% 54.6, Rel CF% 4.79, 44.84% Ozone start
Raffl CF% 51.21% Rel CF% 0.28, 36.94% Ozone start
Weal CF% 54.13% Rel CF% 3.14, 51.96% Ozone start
Folin CF% 52.42% Rel CF% -0.38, 47.15% Ozone start
MacD CF% 51.71% Rel CF% 1.86, 50.85% Ozone start

All of them have a positive CF%, meaning they generally drive plays. With the exception of Folin, every single one of the players you mentioned have a positive relative CF% compare to other players on the team, aka they were better than other players on that team. Oh, and it's not like they're getting sheltered with offensive zone starts either. Gudas and Raffl especially are playing far better than you can ask them for while getting starts in the dzone more often than not.

I get it, it's easy to throw those players under the bus because they're not the "star players", but it's about time we stop being sheep. It's time to hold the "stars" accountable.

wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jan 7 @ 7:14 AM ET
good teams get breaks, the Eagles are a good team and got a break. We have a real sports team in Philly with some balls.

wish they had AJAYI, Sprolls and Smallwood just don't hit the hole decisive or fast enough, both are a half stride slow.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 7 @ 7:55 AM ET
Always knew Cody would win the Eagles a game.
- Pelle31Forever


I'm a bears fan but congrats to the eagles. Played a great game. All year I was worried that Parkey would be in that position and blow it.

Eagles are my second fave team so I hope they get it done.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 7 @ 7:57 AM ET
Thank heaven you're not the GM. It's the 21st century, you should really take a look at some advanced stats instead of relying on perception, which is often flawed due to peer opinions, aka sheep effect.

Here are players you mentioned to shop:
Gudas CF% 54.6, Rel CF% 4.79, 44.84% Ozone start
Raffl CF% 51.21% Rel CF% 0.28, 36.94% Ozone start
Weal CF% 54.13% Rel CF% 3.14, 51.96% Ozone start
Folin CF% 52.42% Rel CF% -0.38, 47.15% Ozone start
MacD CF% 51.71% Rel CF% 1.86, 50.85% Ozone start

All of them have a positive CF%, meaning they generally drive plays. With the exception of Folin, every single one of the players you mentioned have a positive relative CF% compare to other players on the team, aka they were better than other players on that team. Oh, and it's not like they're getting sheltered with offensive zone starts either. Gudas and Raffl especially are playing far better than you can ask them for while getting starts in the dzone more often than not.

I get it, it's easy to throw those players under the bus because they're not the "star players", but it's about time we stop being sheep. It's time to hold the "stars" accountable.

- 8Jay8


None of those stats can tell you that a player was better than other players on the team.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 7 @ 7:58 AM ET
good teams get breaks, the Eagles are a good team and got a break. We have a real sports team in Philly with some balls.

wish they had AJAYI, Sprolls and Smallwood just don't hit the hole decisive or fast enough, both are a half stride slow.

- wcorvette


There weren't many holes to hit. Akiem Hicks dominated the game.
dragonoffrost
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Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 7 @ 8:02 AM ET
Thank heaven you're not the GM. It's the 21st century, you should really take a look at some advanced stats instead of relying on perception, which is often flawed due to peer opinions, aka sheep effect.

Here are players you mentioned to shop:
Gudas CF% 54.6, Rel CF% 4.79, 44.84% Ozone start
Raffl CF% 51.21% Rel CF% 0.28, 36.94% Ozone start
Weal CF% 54.13% Rel CF% 3.14, 51.96% Ozone start
Folin CF% 52.42% Rel CF% -0.38, 47.15% Ozone start
MacD CF% 51.71% Rel CF% 1.86, 50.85% Ozone start

All of them have a positive CF%, meaning they generally drive plays. With the exception of Folin, every single one of the players you mentioned have a positive relative CF% compare to other players on the team, aka they were better than other players on that team. Oh, and it's not like they're getting sheltered with offensive zone starts either. Gudas and Raffl especially are playing far better than you can ask them for while getting starts in the dzone more often than not.

I get it, it's easy to throw those players under the bus because they're not the "star players", but it's about time we stop being sheep. It's time to hold the "stars" accountable.

- 8Jay8


Yes we should hold the stars accountable but also we need help scoring and when guys like Weal and Raffl aren't producing they are going to face more criticism because you can win with only stars producing but it's better to be a balanced team.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 7 @ 8:21 AM ET
Thank heaven you're not the GM. It's the 21st century, you should really take a look at some advanced stats instead of relying on perception, which is often flawed due to peer opinions, aka sheep effect.

Here are players you mentioned to shop:
Gudas CF% 54.6, Rel CF% 4.79, 44.84% Ozone start
Raffl CF% 51.21% Rel CF% 0.28, 36.94% Ozone start
Weal CF% 54.13% Rel CF% 3.14, 51.96% Ozone start
Folin CF% 52.42% Rel CF% -0.38, 47.15% Ozone start
MacD CF% 51.71% Rel CF% 1.86, 50.85% Ozone start

All of them have a positive CF%, meaning they generally drive plays. With the exception of Folin, every single one of the players you mentioned have a positive relative CF% compare to other players on the team, aka they were better than other players on that team. Oh, and it's not like they're getting sheltered with offensive zone starts either. Gudas and Raffl especially are playing far better than you can ask them for while getting starts in the dzone more often than not.

I get it, it's easy to throw those players under the bus because they're not the "star players", but it's about time we stop being sheep. It's time to hold the "stars" accountable.

- 8Jay8


He didn't say anything about them being dead weight or terrible players, he said to move them at the deadline. That is what bad teams do, sell off assets to teams that can use them. Raffl, Frolin, Weal, and Simmonds are all UFA's after the season. Gudas and MacDonald only have 1 year left. You can trade them off and easily replace them in the offseason with other uber corsi number players.

Is it likely we will get much or anything for them other then Simmonds? Probably not, but you still need to collect assets. 5th-7th rounders have about an 18% chance of making and playing about 200 games in the NHL. So you already start with 3 picks, if you get another 4-5 then you raise your chance of hitting on an NHL player from 0-1 to about 1-2. I will be happy if I can get draft picks for guys like Raffl, Weal, Frolin, and MacDonald.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 7 @ 8:27 AM ET
He didn't say anything about them being dead weight or terrible players, he said to move them at the deadline. That is what bad teams do, sell off assets to teams that can use them. Raffl, Frolin and Simmonds are both UFA's after the season. Gudas and MacDonald only have 1 year left. You can trade them off and easily replace them in the offseason with other uber corsi number players.
- youarewrong

dragonoffrost
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Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 7 @ 8:31 AM ET
He didn't say anything about them being dead weight or terrible players, he said to move them at the deadline. That is what bad teams do, sell off assets to teams that can use them. Raffl, Frolin, Weal, and Simmonds are all UFA's after the season. Gudas and MacDonald only have 1 year left. You can trade them off and easily replace them in the offseason with other uber corsi number players.

Is it likely we will get much or anything for them other then Simmonds? Probably not, but you still need to collect assets. 5th-7th rounders have about an 18% chance of making and playing about 200 games in the NHL. So you already start with 3 picks, if you get another 4-5 then you raise your chance of hitting on an NHL player from 0-1 to about 1-2. I will be happy if I can get draft picks for guys like Raffl, Weal, Frolin, and MacDonald.

- youarewrong


Come on you know we are going to need to pay someone to take him off our hands.
goenzoy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.11.2014

Jan 7 @ 8:39 AM ET
Yes we should hold the stars accountable but also we need help scoring and when guys like Weal and Raffl aren't producing they are going to face more criticism because you can win with only stars producing but it's better to be a balanced team.
- dragonoffrost


It's not about scoring NY Islanders only scored 5 goals more but allowed 44 less.
And with Lehner and Greiss the also don't have stellar goal tending.
First they need to fix the defensive side of things
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 7 @ 8:42 AM ET
Come on you know we are going to need to pay someone to take him off our hands.
- dragonoffrost


I don't see it happening. AMac is probably back for one last season, the good news though is that he's likely back as a high priced 7th man. Maybe they can move him with half retained, but I doubt even then they get very much for him and that would still leave them probably needing to sign a vet for 1 million or so to fill that 7th D role. So at best, they'd be maybe saving 1.5 million on the cap.

I'm far from an AMac fan, but if he isn't playing every night maybe he doesn't break down so much and he's likely as good as you are going to get in a 6/7 guy. Might as well keep him unless some team is willing to give you at least a 4th and willing to take at least 3 million of the cap hit next year.
dragonoffrost
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Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
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Jan 7 @ 8:42 AM ET
It's not about scoring NY Islanders only scored 5 goals more but allowed 44 less.
And with Lehner and Greiss the also don't have stellar goal tending.
First they need to fix the defensive side of things

- goenzoy


I was only addressing why those guys are targeted for criticism. The Defensive lapses are more Simmonds, Voracek and Giroux who are the stars that aren't listed with those who are their stellar fancies.

It's really the basic problem this roster is really flawed. The good fancies guys aren't producing in the basic stats and the basic stats guys aren't the shiniest of the guys with the fancies.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 7 @ 8:44 AM ET
I don't see it happening. AMac is probably back for one last season, the good news though is that he's likely back as a high priced 7th man. Maybe they can move him with half retained, but I doubt even then they get very much for him and that would still leave them probably needing to sign a vet for 1 million or so to fill that 7th D role. So at best, they'd be maybe saving 1.5 million on the cap.

I'm far from an AMac fan, but if he isn't playing every night maybe he doesn't break down so much and he's likely as good as you are going to get in a 6/7 guy. Might as well keep him unless some team is willing to give you at least a 4th and willing to take at least 3 million of the cap hit next year.

- BiggE


Exactly what I meant by paying someone to take him. We are going to have to retain some of Homer/Hextall's wonderful spending spree. Hextall wasn't GM but you got to think since he was assistant he had some part in the discussions.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 7 @ 8:46 AM ET
I was only addressing why those guys are targeted for criticism. The Defensive lapses are more Simmonds, Voracek and Giroux who are the stars that aren't listed with those who are their stellar fancies.

It's really the basic problem this roster is really flawed. The good fancies guys aren't producing in the basic stats and the basic stats guys aren't the shiniest of the guys with the fancies.

- dragonoffrost


At least Giroux contributes offensively. Jake and even more Simmonds and JVR have just been horrible.
FlyersGrace
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jan 7 @ 8:56 AM ET
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