Yep. Say Simmonds goes down with a long-term injury next game, the Flyers get nothing for him.

I'm not saying move him now if there aren't good offer. But if you let it be known that he's available, I would be Fletcher would start getting some offers coming in.
- jmatchett383

GM's know that Simmonds is a pending UFA. I think it's safe to speculate that teams have called to inquire. I think it's also safe to say that other team's aren't looking to do the Flyers a favor at this point. Flyers right now don't hold a ton of trade leverage. If a good deal comes down the pipe, make it. It's more likely that with all the factors involved there is a chance to make a better deal closer to the deadline. It's still a month and a half away.

Yep. Say Simmonds goes down with a long-term injury next game, the Flyers get nothing for him.

I'm not saying move him now if there aren't good offer. But if you let it be known that he's available, I would be Fletcher would start getting some offers coming in.
- jmatchett383

That’s the chance you take if your Fletcher...if Simmonds gets hurt again then his trade value is Nil...all about timing as well. If another team has a need today for Simmonds because of injury or pure need maybe they over pay just to avoid the TDL and a possible bidding war. I read somewhere that Fletcher is known for making bigger deals prior to the deadline. So who knows ?

That’s the chance you take if your Fletcher...if Simmonds gets hurt again then his trade value is Nil...all about timing as well. If another team has a need today for Simmonds because of injury or pure need maybe they over pay just to avoid the TDL and a possible bidding war. I read somewhere that Fletcher is known for making bigger deals prior to the deadline. So who knows ?
- landros 2

I don't even know what the return is gonna be. He can't handle the puck, he can't shoot, he's rarely involved physically...right now, his only value is PP garbage man. Is that worth more than a 3rd rounder? Don't get me wrong, I like Simmonds, but that was the Simmonds of 2 years ago.

I don't even know what the return is gonna be. He can't handle the puck, he can't shoot, he's rarely involved physically...right now, his only value is PP garbage man. Is that worth more than a 3rd rounder? Don't get me wrong, I like Simmonds, but that was the Simmonds of 2 years ago.
- jmatchett383

Honestly some of his shifts I think wow...there he is..and then others I’m wondering what the (frank) happened to this guy ? I’m with ya ...I have no idea what they’ll get.

I don't even know what the return is gonna be. He can't handle the puck, he can't shoot, he's rarely involved physically...right now, his only value is PP garbage man. Is that worth more than a 3rd rounder? Don't get me wrong, I like Simmonds, but that was the Simmonds of 2 years ago.
- jmatchett383

I'm as down on Simmonds as anyone. He's still on pace for 20+ goals. He will get them a decent return. Either a 1st or a a 2nd with the possibility of it becoming a 1st or another pick.

Suggesting he gets moved for nothing more than a 3rd is absurd if you look at what past rentals generally go for.

I don't even know what the return is gonna be. He can't handle the puck, he can't shoot, he's rarely involved physically...right now, his only value is PP garbage man. Is that worth more than a 3rd rounder? Don't get me wrong, I like Simmonds, but that was the Simmonds of 2 years ago.
- jmatchett383

Simmonds is a much better player than that in my opinion.

And the tire fire spreads to the PR department...holy (frank).
- landros 2

Next......IMMUNOSUPPRESSANTS for heart transplant patients IF a FLYER gets a hat trick......

It’s unacceptable because we’re talking about the friggin’ Philadelphia Flyers, an organization that in the past had NEVER settled for mediocrity, and was — for better or worse — committed to doing everything in their power to put the best product on the ice sooner, rather than later.

Apathy is growing by leaps and bounds here every day. Maybe that will somewhat change after we get smoked by the Blues and Caps in the coming days. Just don’t see the point in accepting losing in the hopes the lottery balls will fall our way to draft Hughes.
- BroadSTmayhem

I think for the most part, the right moves for the cross roads they're at wont be available between now and June. I agree apathy has set in and is growing but Hextall has already been fired for that. Fletcher is now in a difficult position. He needs to evaluate a team playing well below its potential and determine who is going to be part of the future. I'd prefer he tackles the low hanging fruit before the deadline and handle the rest between March-Septemeber.

Duchene is reportedly in stalled contract negotiations. Ottawa may want to consider a trade in fear of having him walk in summer.

They are a hot mess as well and could use goaltending depth. I'm sure they would want someone to replace Duchene and a prospect.

What scenarios would work? Can't imagine they'd deal Stone as well.

Duchene (and Dzingle) for???

Edmonton is desperate to make the playoffs and need to win games right now to stay in the hunt. I have a hard time believing they aren’t looking hard at Simmonds right now.

That’s the chance you take if your Fletcher...if Simmonds gets hurt again then his trade value is Nil...all about timing as well. If another team has a need today for Simmonds because of injury or pure need maybe they over pay just to avoid the TDL and a possible bidding war. I read somewhere that Fletcher is known for making bigger deals prior to the deadline. So who knows ?
- landros 2

Fletcher’s track record indicates that he is willing to make the “big deal”. I think it’s pretty safe to assume he would move Simmonds if he got a good offer. The conclusion I draw is that he just hasn’t gotten a decent offer yet. I don’t understand why some fans think Fletyis dragging his feet on making a move. Can’t make a trade without someone else to trade with.

Duchene is reportedly in stalled contract negotiations. Ottawa may want to consider a trade in fear of having him walk in summer.

They are a hot mess as well and could use goaltending depth. I'm sure they would want someone to replace Duchene and a prospect.

What scenarios would work? Can't imagine they'd deal Stone as well.

Duchene (and Dzingle) for???
- cdearth23

A lot of future starting with this years 1st. Ottawa is not taking the junk the Flyers don't want or need.

Duchene is reportedly in stalled contract negotiations. Ottawa may want to consider a trade in fear of having him walk in summer.

They are a hot mess as well and could use goaltending depth. I'm sure they would want someone to replace Duchene and a prospect.

What scenarios would work? Can't imagine they'd deal Stone as well.

Duchene (and Dzingle) for???
- cdearth23

Isn't this the issue with Ottawa. They can't get guys signed long term?

Would they move him for Voracek or is it going to take a prospect/pick-centered deal?

I'd have real interest in Duchene. I don't think he's going to make it to free angency however. If Ottawa cant sign him someone will pick him up and work out a deal.

Duchene is reportedly in stalled contract negotiations. Ottawa may want to consider a trade in fear of having him walk in summer.

They are a hot mess as well and could use goaltending depth. I'm sure they would want someone to replace Duchene and a prospect.

What scenarios would work? Can't imagine they'd deal Stone as well.

Duchene (and Dzingle) for???
- cdearth23

I wonder if Jake could be part of that deal.

Edmonton is desperate to make the playoffs and need to win games right now to stay in the hunt. I have a hard time believing they aren’t looking hard at Simmonds right now.
- coffee junkie

Agreed. I still maintain he should be moved sooner rather than later and that there are teams definitely lining up for him already.

I wonder if Jake could be part of that deal.
- coffee junkie

Ottawa was unwilling to sign Stone for 8.5 when they had the chance, they offered like 5.5...why would they want Voracek for 8.2?

If he had only let the PR folks have pizza and wings....
- BiggE

exactly

Fletcher’s track record indicates that he is willing to make the “big deal”. I think it’s pretty safe to assume he would move Simmonds if he got a good offer. The conclusion I draw is that he just hasn’t gotten a decent offer yet. I don’t understand why some fans think Fletyis dragging his feet on making a move. Can’t make a trade without someone else to trade with.
- Dkos

If that's the impression that I gave, it was not my intent. I don't want to move him immediately for minimal return, I just think that, if you publicly shop him, you could get a good return for a 1/2 season of Simmonds compared to a 1/3 season of him.

Ottawa was unwilling to sign Stone for 8.5 when they had the chance, they offered like 5.5...why would they want Voracek for 8.2?
- Glak18

Perhaps because they can’t get Stone or Duchene to sign? Seems a guy with term might actually be an asset if you can’t sign folks right?

This season is a lost cause and semantics be damned we are effectively in year 4 of the Hexy plan and month 2 of the Fletcher plan.

Yes its great that thevFirst two seasons were Hexy fixing cap issues and the like. He deserves a ton of credit for that and the prospect pool.

As paying fans I hope people stop going to the arena for the rest of the season. It won happen but even average attendance being 10k is a statement.

When you have paying customers you can't just perpetually keep planning for the future at the cost of the present.

Stay calm, no ridiculous reactionary trades, get to the off-season and recommit as an organization to being a winner.

A lot of future starting with this years 1st. Ottawa is not taking the junk the Flyers don't want or need.
- Glak18

I agree. But, what if we offer this year's 1st AND some junk pieces. We would have to pray Simmer gets us a 1st round pick.

Trading Simmonds closer to the deadline is a smarter move. That way more teams are involved in terms of bidding for his services and hopefully drive up the return we get back for him. Off the top of my head I could think of a handful of teams that would trade for him just to be that net front guy on the PP for the stretch run and playoffs. Realistically when you look at trading partners I'm thinking he goes to one of these teams, Edmonton, Toronto, Boston, Dallas , Vegas, Colorado. All of them are either in playoff position or vying for a spot right now and would likely welcome Simmonds with open arms as an addition to their offence and PP schemes. What's the most that can be hoped for when talking about a return though. A first and a mid level prospect? or is that to much to ask for at this point.

I agree. But, what if we offer this year's 1st AND some junk pieces. We would have to pray Simmer gets us a 1st round pick.
- cdearth23

0% chance I trade our 1st rounder right now for a non SUPERSTAR. Protected yes but this year?

Perhaps because they can’t get Stone or Duchene to sign? Seems a guy with term might actually be an asset if you can’t sign folks right?
- coffee junkie

For most teams, yes. Ottawa...they are more worried about spending than winning now.

0% chance I trade our 1st rounder right now for a non SUPERSTAR. Protected yes but this year?
- coffee junkie

We would be giving Ottawa a 2nd pick most likely in top 5. Crazy. I'd be okay if we got a 1st round for Simmer and turned that over for Duchene.