You're dreaming if you think the Hawks have the pieces to get McDavid. Personally, I highly doubt he's on the market, but the only way the Hawks get him is if they give up Keith, Boqvist, ADB and their #1 pick for the next two years.
Giving up an aging, but good D, a potential top 6 LW, and two has-beens is not getting McDavid, even if we have Lucic coming back.
- tvetter

I know you're trying to make it a potentially realistic deal vs the total Homer deal Taylor threw out there, but you would likely need to add to yours as well.

Like you said, the Hawks don't really have the pieces and the Oilers aren't shopping him anyway. Though it is Chiarelli so maybe Taylor's proposal gets it done.

Draisaitl and McDavid, I think, are off the table. Franchise faces. I think tvetter is dead on with what the hawks would have to give up. Edm wouldn't trade young superstar players, minus Lucic, for 4 lackluster and older players. Personally, I still like what they bring to the table, but aren't enough for that blockbuster deal. I think these trade ideas are interesting to discuss, among other things, but I wouldn't believe everything that I read.
- I Am The Breadman

These 'Trade Seabrook for mcDavid' used to be a joke here, is this seriously brought up by forum pister or still in jest, hard to say. If so, it would be the example of home fan bias to the extreme, no matter other trade add on pieces.

Draisaitl and McDavid, I think, are off the table. Franchise faces. I think tvetter is dead on with what the hawks would have to give up. Edm wouldn't trade young superstar players, minus Lucic, for 4 lackluster and older players. Personally, I still like what they bring to the table, but aren't enough for that blockbuster deal. I think these trade ideas are interesting to discuss, among other things, but I wouldn't believe everything that I read.
- I Am The Breadman

Well that's just dumb. (RF)

These 'Trade Seabrook for mcDavid' used to be a joke here, is this seriously brought up by forum pister or still in jest, hard to say. If so, it would be the example of home fan bias to the extreme, no matter other trade add on pieces.
- vshun

I don't think, in this instance of bringing it up as a trade proposal, that it was meant to be a joke. I do agree with you.

Well that's just dumb. (RF)
- HawkintheD

Thank you! I tried to say an intelligible thing, but crashed and burned. "My charade is the event of the season" -Kansas.

I know you're trying to make it a potentially realistic deal vs the total Homer deal Taylor threw out there, but you would likely need to add to yours as well.

Like you said, the Hawks don't really have the pieces and the Oilers aren't shopping him anyway.
- HawkintheDThough it is Chiarelli so maybe Taylor's proposal gets it done.

Thanks HawkintheD . I'm just trying to throw some ideas out their. We have all seen some crazy deals throughout the years that people couldn't believe happened.


Edmonton though has made it known they want change and them being so tight to the cap and only a few pieces realistically that they have worth making any blockbuster deal.

But for both teams in the end needmto be willing partners and keep their cap space in mind.

To me Talbot and lucic are mere cap relief to help Edmonton. Anismov , saad and either a 1st or another asset gives Edmonton more pieces coming back that are still valuable .

Also Keith might be willing to go if his partner is in the deal. Klefbom is out for 6 to 12 weeks so realistically he is on LTIR til mid March.
But I do understand everyones opinion and points.

flames kicked their ass...with out delia this game 7 or eight goal blow out...

of course the excuse will be travel BTB games...BS..

they didn't show up to start the game and left at the beginning of the 3rd...

carry on my cheer leading "i blame Q fro everything" friend.
- bogiedoc

Hopefully, this team is not the same team that had 2 8-game losing streaks in 21 games - I don’t think they are.

In the last 13 games, they’ve won 7 (7-4-2=16). Are the that good? Prabobly not. Are the a playoff team - not this year but in general? Prabobably on the bottom end of the bubble.

But - in the last 13 games - the beaten:
Pens twice, once in Pittsburgh
Nashville
Dallas in Texas
Colorado, mile high twice
Minnesota

They’ve also taken NYI to OT on the island, and Winnipeg to OT at home.

Five road games in a row with a point (altho, yes, they’ve lost 3 of 4 at home).

Goalie wins? Yeah, some / most / all - but the defense has been better (all the SOGs against notwithstanding - they’ve generally been doing a better job), getting some depth-scoring.

Plus - special teams looking better, new goalie seems to be for real, new additions seem to be outperforming those they replaced....

Not a bad sequence.

Add in some good prospect performances at the junior tournament.

Time, I think, to be looking to the future with SOME confidence, at least - they won’t make the playoffs this season, but they aren’t the disaster we sometimes project them to be.

Far from it.

This is a work in progress - seems to me that “progress” is the right word. Let’s see how things play out.

Thanks HawkintheD . I'm just trying to throw some ideas out their. We have all seen some crazy deals throughout the years that people couldn't believe happened.


Edmonton though has made it known they want change and them being so tight to the cap and only a few pieces realistically that they have worth making any blockbuster deal.

But for both teams in the end needmto be willing partners and keep their cap space in mind.

To me Talbot and lucic are mere cap relief to help Edmonton. Anismov , saad and either a 1st or another asset gives Edmonton more pieces coming back that are still valuable .

Also Keith might be willing to go if his partner is in the deal. Klefbom is out for 6 to 12 weeks so realistically he is on LTIR til mid March.
But I do understand everyones opinion and points.
- Taylorst1

Tampa seems enamoured by smallish players, Stan should trade DeBrincat to the lightning for the guy they should have drafted - Taylor Raddish. Raddysh is around 6'2" and 210lbs, the Hawks need that size. He'll be extra motivated playing for the same team as his brother too.

Tampa seems enamoured by smallish players, Stan should trade DeBrincat to the lightning for the guy they should have drafted - Taylor Raddish. Raddysh is around 6'2" and 210lbs, the Hawks need that size. He'll be extra motivated playing for the same team as his brother too.
- DarthKane

Can you imagine Foley with the Raddysh and Sikura brothers in the lineup? He wouldn't know who had the puck........

Tampa seems enamoured by smallish players, Stan should trade DeBrincat to the lightning for the guy they should have drafted - Taylor Raddish. Raddysh is around 6'2" and 210lbs, the Hawks need that size. He'll be extra motivated playing for the same team as his brother too.
- DarthKane

Any idea if Raddysh hits and fights? I am tired of small players too. DeBrincat scores but he doesn't hit or fight. What good is a player who only scores? Kane falls into that group too, especially now.

#maketheblackhawkstoughagain

Can you imagine Foley with the Raddysh and Sikura brothers in the lineup? He wouldn't know who had the puck........
- powerenforcer

Foley and Olczyk would be making all kinds of vegetable jokes and giggling nonstop.

Any idea if Raddysh hits and fights? I am tired of small players too. DeBrincat scores but he doesn't hit or fight. What good is a player who only scores? Kane falls into that group too, especially now.

#maketheblackhawkstoughagain
- paulr

But Debrincat fought that predator, and Kane has actually been hitting people ... every blue moon. He might get double digits. Do you want more than that? "Are you not entertained?" -Gladiator.

Imo, Adb is one of the toughest on the team. He might have to look up at everyone he has a problem with, but he doesn't seem to take any crap.

Hawks lose a game and the Xbox trades being super one sided come back out No team who has one of the best if not top 3 players in the game will be had for what we have to offer. Be realistic the players were trying to move aren’t performing to the pay or potential. We’re not getting an all star for what some say I should an overpaid third line center a under achieving forward keith

But Debrincat fought that predator, and Kane has actually been hitting people ... every blue moon. He might get double digits. Do you want more than that? "Are you not entertained?" -Gladiator.

Imo, Adb is one of the toughest on the team. He might have to look up at everyone he has a problem with, but he doesn't seem to take any crap.
- I Am The Breadman

I want fighting and toughest, not one hit in a blue moon or some guy the size of a poodle acting tough. What good is winning if the team can't fight and won't hit?

Tampa seems enamoured by smallish players, Stan should trade DeBrincat to the lightning for the guy they should have drafted - Taylor Raddish. Raddysh is around 6'2" and 210lbs, the Hawks need that size. He'll be extra motivated playing for the same team as his brother too.
- DarthKane

That's the other issue and concern the hawks need to address is getting more skilled and bigger with grit.

Kruger and frolik served their purpose years ago but now with a aging core and undersized lack of skill bottom half , their isn't enough production either defensively or consistent tempo in other teams zones from their bottom 6.

Kampf is okay but he lacks the physical size needed .

I want fighting and toughest, not one hit in a blue moon or some guy the size of a poodle acting tough. What good is winning if the team can't fight and won't hit?
- paulr

Hahahaha! You make some excellent points, I'm just not thinking clearly today. You're quite the student of the game.

I can confidently say that if I played in the NHL, my dad wouldn’t miss a game.
Especially if I played for a team with a major airport hub, like Chicago/Boston/NY/LA and flying direct in/out was easy
- Slofire94

Kane's dad hates to fly. Drives from Buffalo to Chicago. Dad's trip he has no choice but to fly.

Hawks lose a game and the Xbox trades being super one sided come back out No team who has one of the best if not top 3 players in the game will be had for what we have to offer. Be realistic the players were trying to move aren’t performing to the pay or potential. We’re not getting an all star for what some say I should an overpaid third line center a under achieving forward keith
- Abadseed

Well your entitled to your opinion , but to say that is a pipe dream or could never happen isn't based on any realization , that teams have to deal with a certain amount of cap and contracts. If a team is at the cap and has a few assets who might be the facesnof the team but are struggling one with them in the lineup and two in order to try and turn things around based on no real assets and no cap space you have to put something of value on the table and drasaitli and Mcdavid are both great but both eat up a ton of cap space , so you try and get the best possible return you can while staying within the cap, if getting 3 or 4 players back of which 1 is a top 6 the other top 9 and to veterans and a prospect and maybe a pick while dumping off some bad contracts then that is surely a possibility.


Remember Chicago did trade a guy named panarin for a saad? So things do happen or ROR nobody thought he'd move or at least be had for what was given up? Karlsson was moved for basically nothing.


So these trades do happen, just because you don't like the players being offered up doesn't mean they are foolish their is a bigger picture teams look at.

Something I noticed last night was lack of awareness...not of hockey plays, but of positioning.

In the Cup years, passes went tape to tape, there was rarely a cluster of players in one place, there were layers. Yesterday, the 3rd period in particular, it seemed the Hawks were playing from top of the FO circle to top of the FO circle and they stayed with that spacing, like they were in bubble hockey.

I hope that with more practices and more games together, they will loosen up, but right now, they look like they are playing rat hockey on an outdoor rink with no one they've ever played with before (except for Kane, of course).

I'm hoping Stan can make one or two more trades/signings before next season, getting a solid top-4 defensive d and one more strong scorer and a full pre-season with Colliton and I think they'll be in better shape.

The hawks are like Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde . Yes they have made some slight improvements, but they still lack skill and talent.

The defense has improved from a standpoint of not running around and getting roasted in the first 5 minutes of a game, but the offense doesn't have the talent to be a real threat.

Delia I believe has earned the net and the hawks should play him as if he was being groomed to assume the net full time next season having ward as the elder statemen to help groom him.

Crawford is done even if he does come back I don't see that happening until next year and then he plays the back up roll.

They are happy now with their goaltending so really with it being this late into the season and Chicago has no real chance this year why rush things.
- Taylorst1

I disagree with the bolded. I think they have the skill and talent, and just lack the chemistry and consistency. They are still earning JC's defense, and their offense has actually been pretty good as of late. They could use one more top 6 forward with high skill, but I think that would be it. I know many would say they need more skill on the backend, but I would rather wait for the prospects to come up, and keep Keith and Seabrook to mentor them, rather than trade or sign any supposed top 4 guys.

Hopefully, this team is not the same team that had 2 8-game losing streaks in 21 games - I don’t think they are.

In the last 13 games, they’ve won 7 (7-4-2=16). Are the that good? Prabobly not. Are the a playoff team - not this year but in general? Prabobably on the bottom end of the bubble.

But - in the last 13 games - the beaten:
Pens twice, once in Pittsburgh
Nashville
Dallas in Texas
Colorado, mile high twice
Minnesota

They’ve also taken NYI to OT on the island, and Winnipeg to OT at home.

Five road games in a row with a point (altho, yes, they’ve lost 3 of 4 at home).

Goalie wins? Yeah, some / most / all - but the defense has been better (all the SOGs against notwithstanding - they’ve generally been doing a better job), getting some depth-scoring.

Plus - special teams looking better, new goalie seems to be for real, new additions seem to be outperforming those they replaced....

Not a bad sequence.

Add in some good prospect performances at the junior tournament.

Time, I think, to be looking to the future with SOME confidence, at least - they won’t make the playoffs this season, but they aren’t the disaster we sometimes project them to be.

Far from it.

This is a work in progress - seems to me that “progress” is the right word. Let’s see how things play out.
- StLBravesFan

This is fantastic! Well said!

He skates about as well as Seabrook.
- Dieselhead

LMAO!!!! I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.

Dennis Hull = Brent Seabrook, still laughing!!

Hopefully, this team is not the same team that had 2 8-game losing streaks in 21 games - I don’t think they are.

In the last 13 games, they’ve won 7 (7-4-2=16). Are the that good? Prabobly not. Are the a playoff team - not this year but in general? Prabobably on the bottom end of the bubble.

But - in the last 13 games - the beaten:
Pens twice, once in Pittsburgh
Nashville
Dallas in Texas
Colorado, mile high twice
Minnesota

They’ve also taken NYI to OT on the island, and Winnipeg to OT at home.

Five road games in a row with a point (altho, yes, they’ve lost 3 of 4 at home).

Goalie wins? Yeah, some / most / all - but the defense has been better (all the SOGs against notwithstanding - they’ve generally been doing a better job), getting some depth-scoring.

Plus - special teams looking better, new goalie seems to be for real, new additions seem to be outperforming those they replaced....

Not a bad sequence.

Add in some good prospect performances at the junior tournament.

Time, I think, to be looking to the future with SOME confidence, at least - they won’t make the playoffs this season, but they aren’t the disaster we sometimes project them to be.

Far from it.

This is a work in progress - seems to me that “progress” is the right word. Let’s see how things play out.
- StLBravesFan

They get a high pick that can be plugged into top 2 lines, sign a top winger and provided Kane and Toews play like this year again, we have a solid top 6 that allows Strome to be moved down to the 3rd with DKat and Kahun. With Kampf, Drake and Perlini, that gives us 4 solid lines I think.

Sign a top 4, Joki plays better, Seabrook sits, 1 of Boquist, Beaudin or Mitchell cracks the roster.

All of a sudden, this team looks drastically better in 1 year...

Hopefully, this team is not the same team that had 2 8-game losing streaks in 21 games - I don’t think they are.

In the last 13 games, they’ve won 7 (7-4-2=16). Are the that good? Prabobly not. Are the a playoff team - not this year but in general? Prabobably on the bottom end of the bubble.

But - in the last 13 games - the beaten:
Pens twice, once in Pittsburgh
Nashville
Dallas in Texas
Colorado, mile high twice
Minnesota

They’ve also taken NYI to OT on the island, and Winnipeg to OT at home.

Five road games in a row with a point (altho, yes, they’ve lost 3 of 4 at home).

Goalie wins? Yeah, some / most / all - but the defense has been better (all the SOGs against notwithstanding - they’ve generally been doing a better job), getting some depth-scoring.

Plus - special teams looking better, new goalie seems to be for real, new additions seem to be outperforming those they replaced....

Not a bad sequence.

Add in some good prospect performances at the junior tournament.

Time, I think, to be looking to the future with SOME confidence, at least - they won’t make the playoffs this season, but they aren’t the disaster we sometimes project them to be.

Far from it.

This is a work in progress - seems to me that “progress” is the right word. Let’s see how things play out.
- StLBravesFan

Tell it.

Something I noticed last night was lack of awareness...not of hockey plays, but of positioning.

In the Cup years, passes went tape to tape, there was rarely a cluster of players in one place, there were layers. Yesterday, the 3rd period in particular, it seemed the Hawks were playing from top of the FO circle to top of the FO circle and they stayed with that spacing, like they were in bubble hockey.

I hope that with more practices and more games together, they will loosen up, but right now, they look like they are playing rat hockey on an outdoor rink with no one they've ever played with before (except for Kane, of course).

I'm hoping Stan can make one or two more trades/signings before next season, getting a solid top-4 defensive d and one more strong scorer and a full pre-season with Colliton and I think they'll be in better shape.
- CanOCorn

I read that Dougie Hamilton in Carolina is available. Maybe DeBrincat (Plus) for Hamilton?