McJesus?
- riozzo

They would have to retain 50 percent as a sweetener for us to take him off their hands.

Lol still surprises most of us.

Speaking of being surprised, I was surprised to hear your Canes may be looking to trade Dougie for some Top 6 help considering he was the centerpiece of trading Hanifin and Lindholm.

IMO, Toronto and Carolina just need to get together already and trade Nylander for one of Dougie, Faulk, etc. to help each other get what they both desperately need
- Savetheembers33

If I'm Carolina, I would stay far away from a 1 for 1 trade involving Nylander. He's been a trainwreck since signing his new contract. Maybe Nylander, a 1st, and Kapp for Hamilton..

Eklund is reporting in his main article right now:

Hitch has interest in bringing Duncan Keith to Edmonton...

This is an interesting one...The Oilers are sliding and Chiarelli and Hitch are looking to be aggressive and bring in some solid help on the backend...Keith is older, but could be the player who sells Hitch's system to the players while mentoring the young D. Edmonton is not going to sit idly by this year and just go into the night quietly...

I have not heard this specifically, but know have mentioned the Keith and Seabs whispers.

The return would have to be solid.
- Justin Lowe

I don't think Hitch's defensive system is condusive to a player like Keith. He likes the big bruisers back there.

They would not give up Bouchard.
- breadbag

I wouldn't think they would, I was just listing what the Oil have that may be of sufficient value.

If you are going to trade Keith you need a return of picks and/or prospects that grade out high enough to give you enough value in return. You don't want guys who top out with bottom 6 or bottom pair projections.

Up/Down: Brandon Pirri (F) | Chicago Wolves -> Vegas Golden Knights

Realistically, What do the Oilers have to give up of value that you would want. Obviously a big NO to Lucic.

Obtainable assets:
1st round pick - 2019
Puljujarvi
Bouchard


Anyone else in that organization/system excite you?
- TheTrob

Not much besides those two really. Maybe they'd sell low on Puljujarvi with his slow start? Retain Keith's 2018-19 remaining salary to move the needle on the pick.

No. John Scott was a pylon. Brandon Manning was a pylon. Trevor Dailey was a pylon.

The Seabrook bashing group think on this site has moved past being ridiculous and is now just downright laughable.

Overpaid for his current level of play? No question.
Level of play fallen off dramatically? For sure.

Even though the on ice productivity no longer is worthy of the current cap hit and especially considering the years remaining on it, Seabrook is still an above average NHL D man.


- Ogilthorpe2

I dunno man. He is above average offensively still, but defensively he is not doing so well. Not for a couple seasons. He blocks shots, but something seems wrong with him physically when he moves and stumbles. I think his limited mobility puts him under more pressure to move the puck too quickly and he can't make the passes he wants.

The coaching staff has been playing as 3rd pair and lowest even strength time out of any regular Hawks dman. I hope he can find his game again, because he was such a well rounded dman when he was in his prime.

Realistically, What do the Oilers have to give up of value that you would want. Obviously a big NO to Lucic.

Obtainable assets:
1st round pick - 2019
Puljujarvi
Bouchard


Anyone else in that organization/system excite you?
- TheTrob

Wouldn't Bouchard be redundant with all the young defensemen in the system now?

No. John Scott was a pylon. Brandon Manning was a pylon. Trevor Dailey was a pylon.

The Seabrook bashing group think on this site has moved past being ridiculous and is now just downright laughable.

Overpaid for his current level of play? No question.
Level of play fallen off dramatically? For sure.

Even though the on ice productivity no longer is worthy of the current cap hit and especially considering the years remaining on it, Seabrook is still an above average NHL D man.


- Ogilthorpe2

I don't think I agree with that. Regardless of salary and value in relation to it, on his best nights now he is an Average NHL D man, above average is gone.

Realistically, What do the Oilers have to give up of value that you would want. Obviously a big NO to Lucic.

Obtainable assets:
1st round pick - 2019
Puljujarvi
Bouchard


Anyone else in that organization/system excite you?
- TheTrob

I could see their 1st and Jesse Puljujarvi as realistic pieces coming back, but they'll need to take some salary back as well since EDM only has about 2M in cap space. They have pretty much no expiring contracts so it would have to be a guy with at least a year of term left. Maybe Ryan Spooner as a one year 3rd line filler for once Kruger and AA are traded? See if he can show his potential again and either stick or be used as another piece to flip. Otherwise there's not a ton of great options available with the Oilers

They would have to retain 50 percent as a sweetener for us to take him off their hands.
- Spec41971

Nice!

Oil has $2.3 cap hit left. Keith would cost 50% of his cap hit this season as of now so around $2.7
- TheTrob

Yes, but Klefborn (and his $4.1 cap hit) is set to return in a few weeks. Oilers are more than a 35 year old d-man away from being legit so if Hawks retain Keith's salary for 2018-19, they can ask for more in return and allows Oil to add more to their roster if they'd desire.

Wouldn't Bouchard be redundant with all the young defensemen in the system now?
- LAHawk

The more assets you control the better. You can always decide which of the young D men you need and move the others for Forward or Goalie assets.

Wouldn't Bouchard be redundant with all the young defensemen in the system now?
- LAHawk

Would be pretty silly to have too many top d-man prospects

I don't think I agree with that. Regardless of salary and value in relation to it, on his best nights now he is an Average NHL D man, above average is gone.
- TheTrob

An above average D-man wouldn't be playing sheltered 3rd pairing minutes.

Powers:

SP: Could you become sellers at the trade deadline?

Bowman: I don’t know if I’d characterize it that way. I don’t know if we were looking at it as being sellers last year.

Another excerpt:

But we could realistically make a trade for a guy that’s going to come in now and take on a bigger role in a year or two. It doesn’t always have to be a seller-type move. It could be, but it’s not limited to that.
- walleyeb1

I just finished that article. The comments on Corey were the most concerning. "We care about him as a person. Whether he plays or not, I just hope he improves to the point where he could play"

Even if he does improve to the point he could play, I would hope that he just cuts his losses and retires. You have two cups and should have some decent cash. Don't scramble the one thing you need to live.

Thoughts on this?

To Edm:
- Seabrook
- Keith

To Chi:
- Brandon Manning
- Milan Lucic
- 2019 1st
- 2019 2nd
- Jeese Pulju

Seabrook for Lucic + Manning. Lucic has a 6 million cap vs 6.875 and has 1 less year on his contract. He can also provide some grit to this team. We take Manning back and send him down on waivers. His contract will be up in 2 years.

The second half of the trade is Keith for a 1st, 2nd, and Jesse.

Yes, but Klefborn (and his $4.1 cap hit) is set to return in a few weeks. Oilers are more than a 35 year old d-man away from being legit so if Hawks retain Keith's salary for 2018-19, they can ask for more in return and allows Oil to add more to their roster if they'd desire.
- Assman22

Cap hit is what's important, not what he is being paid. You can't retain 1 year of a cap hit, you could retain a portion of it spread across the 4 years remaining.

Up/Down: Brandon Pirri (F) | Chicago Wolves -> Vegas Golden Knights
- walleyeb1

Ah yes! The great Brandon "call me Wayne" Pirri. Still trying to find his niche in the NHL.

Oil has $2.3 cap hit left. Keith would cost 50% of his cap hit this season as of now so around $2.7
- TheTrob

I think cap is computed on a daily basis, so Oil would need to be able to cover Keith's entire cap hit.

Powers:

SP: Could you become sellers at the trade deadline?

Bowman: I don’t know if I’d characterize it that way. I don’t know if we were looking at it as being sellers last year.

Another excerpt:

But we could realistically make a trade for a guy that’s going to come in now and take on a bigger role in a year or two. It doesn’t always have to be a seller-type move. It could be, but it’s not limited to that.
- walleyeb1

Really? I guess he thinks they're not sellers. If it's true he needs to go, but i believe this is more of a political statement, this front office has become a joke

Im beginning to wonder if the Manning deal is part of a bigger deal, all of a sudden Keith is being mentioned, hmmmm🤔

I dunno man. He is above average offensively still, but defensively he is not doing so well. Not for a couple seasons. He blocks shots, but something seems wrong with him physically when he moves and stumbles. I think his limited mobility puts him under more pressure to move the puck too quickly and he can't make the passes he wants.

The coaching staff has been playing as 3rd pair and lowest even strength time out of any regular Hawks dman. I hope he can find his game again, because he was such a well rounded dman when he was in his prime.
- breadbag

If he's been playing hurt, then he's next to impossible to trade, regardless.

Thoughts on this?

To Edm:
- Seabrook
- Keith

To Chi:
- Brandon Manning
- Milan Lucic
- 2019 1st
- 2019 2nd
- Jeese Pulju

Seabrook for Lucic + Manning. Lucic has a 6 million cap vs 6.875 and has 1 less year on his contract. He can also provide some grit to this team. We take Manning back and send him down on waivers. His contract will be up in 2 years.

The second half of the trade is Keith for a 1st, 2nd, and Jesse.
- RedRevenge

From what I can tell, EDM doesn't have the cap space to do this. Looking at the overall concept, I don't think the Seabs portion does anyone any favors. Don't trade trash for trash. Lucic is going to cause the same issue as Seabrook. Bringing Manning back would be a huge mistake in my eyes. So in essence, you gained an extra trash forward contract and compounded that with a trash defenseman contract (granted with shorter term).

I'm siding a bit with Ogilthorpe in that I don't think Seabrook is playing poorly. He's not what he was and is slower (and yes, his contract is a disaster), but he made a lot of nice plays in the game last night and has been doing much more of that recently.

If there is a trade out there with a team pushing for the playoffs that significantly helps you make it. Otherwise, I'm not shuffling around bad contracts for the sake of a move.

Really? I guess he thinks they're not sellers. If it's true he needs to go, but i believe this is more of a political statement, this front office has become a joke
- BetweenTheDots

Maybe he doesn't want to say that they are sellers? If he said they were sellers and anyone could be had including Kane, the mouth breathers on here would poop their pants