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Flacco is awful too though? I don’t get it.

Their O line gets murdered in pass pro and Flacco is a statue
- sbroads24

Thank God Bill's fans do not need to talk about signing or trading for joe Flacco for the next 6 months.

We are past that, finally with Allen looking good

At some point, can we talk about the coaches or system being the problem and not every other forward on the team other then eichels line.

Eichel is most likely freelancing most of the time.

The pp is putrid at times. Also coaching?
- Boss34

I don't think you can make a compelling case that the coaching is dragging this team down.

I don't think you can make a compelling case that the coaching is dragging this team down.
- Lunaion

Other then secondary scoring being non existent?

The pp kinda sucking.

It's either
71
17
29
22
28
37
21
49
43

All forgetting how to score

Or

Possibly coaching???

FIFY
- Wetbandit1

until the chiefs actually get past the first round (for them), gotta go with the colts

I don't think you can make a compelling case that the coaching is dragging this team down.
- Lunaion

I would say timid coaching is a factor in not scoring. After the top line, our 4 most dangerous scoring threats (imo) are

Smith/Sheary-Mittelstadt-Thompson

We don't see that line, and we certainly don't see Mittelstadt playing 2C minutes regularly. If we want to see more production and growth, I think grouping 3 of these guys together in something approaching 2nd line minutes is the most likely way to generate offense. Could it lead to breakdowns? Of course.

But the current formula of 3 3rd lines with diluted talent is uninspired and ineffective imo

At some point, can we talk about the coaches or system being the problem and not every other forward on the team other then eichels line.

Eichel is most likely freelancing most of the time.

The pp is putrid at times. Also coaching?
- Boss34

it's a valid point... if some of these guy leave and start scoring than we'd have to really question it... but the one thing I will say is I don't like How Housley has handled the middle six.. and I really don't like how Mitts has been handled.

Other then secondary scoring being non existent?

The pp kinda sucking.

It's either
71
17
29
22
28
37
21
49
43

All forgetting how to score

Or

Possibly coaching???
- Boss34

players not playing well

there's a question mark by every player on that list....old, young, never produced without playing next to superstars, never produced at all, etc.

I would say timid coaching is a factor in not scoring. After the top line, our 4 most dangerous scoring threats (imo) are

Smith/Sheary-Mittelstadt-Thompson

We don't see that line, and we certainly don't see Mittelstadt playing 2C minutes regularly. If we want to see more production and growth, I think grouping 3 of these guys together in something approaching 2nd line minutes is the most likely way to generate offense. Could it lead to breakdowns? Of course.

But the current formula of 3 3rd lines with diluted talent is uninspired and ineffective imo
- jcragcrumple

Exactly.... playing it safe is not always the right answer (see McStupid) .

Are we playing not to loose OR are we playing to win and get better??? Whats the plan?

I would say timid coaching is a factor in not scoring. After the top line, our 4 most dangerous scoring threats (imo) are

Smith/Sheary-Mittelstadt-Thompson

We don't see that line, and we certainly don't see Mittelstadt playing 2C minutes regularly. If we want to see more production and growth, I think grouping 3 of these guys together in something approaching 2nd line minutes is the most likely way to generate offense. Could it lead to breakdowns? Of course.

But the current formula of 3 3rd lines with diluted talent is uninspired and ineffective imo
- jcragcrumple

Mittelstadt has played significant minutes on 10 different line combinations. They've tried him with every winger who's been on the team more than 2 games. My biggest complaint is that they broke up 23 + 43 the minute Sam looked like an NHL player again.

lol


- burner087

Mittelstadt has played significant minutes on 10 different line combinations. They've tried him with every winger who's been on the team more than 2 games. My biggest complaint is that they broke up 23 + 43 the minute Sam looked like an NHL player again.
- Lunaion

Your definition of significant minutes =/= 2nd line minutes though

And I would argue that any minutes with Elie are instantly disqualified from significant

until the chiefs actually get past the first round (for them), gotta go with the colts
- gordong

I know what you're saying, but they're good enough to not have to play in the actual first round. And that's with them slipping a bit at the end of the year. Same for the Saints.

I'm taking Mahomes over Luck every time. Luck has been very hit or miss. You might get the Luck from the absurd 45-44 Chiefs game where he throws for like 450 yards or you might get a NE game where he throws for 331, but on 20-41 and 2 TD 4 INT. And even in that Chiefs game he still threw 3 INT and had a sub 100 rating.

Andrew Luck's rating in the playoffs 59.8, 98.7, 53.0, 104.0, 76.2, 23.0, 88.3. Not exactly spectacular numbers. 11 TD 13 INT in his playoff career. Mahomes may be worse, but we know what Luck is, and it's not great, yet.

Your definition of significant minutes =/= 2nd line minutes though

And I would argue that any minutes with Elie are instantly disqualified from significant
- jcragcrumple

Has any Mittelstadt line earned true second line minutes, despite them desperately wanting them to be? It's an obvious no, and that's the problem right now. He's just not playing that well, in any line permutation.

Has any Mittelstadt line earned true second line minutes, despite them desperately wanting them to be? It's an obvious no, and that's the problem right now. He's just not playing that well, in any line permutation.
- Lunaion

Has Mittelstadt ever played with Thompson though? I don't think so, at least not for any stretch of time. I thought Sheary-Mitts-Okposo was the best one

Has Mittelstadt ever played with Thompson though? I don't think so, at least not for any stretch of time. I thought Sheary-Mitts-Okposo was the best one
- jcragcrumple

It's his second most frequent combo:

31.5% MITTELSTADT,CASEY - OKPOSO,KYLE - SHEARY,CONOR
11.4% MITTELSTADT,CASEY - OKPOSO,KYLE - THOMPSON,TAGE
9.2% MITTELSTADT,CASEY - REINHART,SAM - SHEARY,CONOR

It's his second most frequent combo:

31.5% MITTELSTADT,CASEY - OKPOSO,KYLE - SHEARY,CONOR
11.4% MITTELSTADT,CASEY - OKPOSO,KYLE - THOMPSON,TAGE
9.2% MITTELSTADT,CASEY - REINHART,SAM - SHEARY,CONOR
- Lunaion

11% of the time, but with Thompson at LW. I like Thompson better at RW, and I think Sheary or Smith would add a nice speed element to the line at LW

11% of the time, but with Thompson at LW. I like Thompson better at RW, and I think Sheary or Smith would add a nice speed element to the line at LW
- jcragcrumple

Sure, go for it. I'm just beyond the point where I think re-mixing the bottom 9 is going to result in a significant change. Eventually, someone will get hot for more than a game or two, or things just start to click for Casey and he breaks through.

Sure, go for it. I'm just beyond the point where I think re-mixing the bottom 9 is going to result in a significant change. Eventually, someone will get hot for more than a game or two, or things just start to click for Casey and he breaks through.
- Lunaion

It's definitely not going to happen with Elie and Pominville tho, just like CJ isn't going to find sustained offensive success with Larsson and Okposo.

I think the 4 best teams right now , 2 from each conference is the chargers, colts in the afc

eagles and rams in nfc
- homiedclown

So essentially you are agreeing with my game picks then ?

FIFY
- Wetbandit1

Chiefs go one and done every year. They were two 4th down conversions away from losing to the ravens at home two weeks ago, lost to the chargers two weeks ago at home. Colts are 10-1 in their last 11. I like Luck's chances of scoring more points on that putrid Chiefs defence then Mahomes scoring 40+ on that sneaky efficient Colts D.

Perhaps my Broncos bias is blinding me (in wanting the chiefs to lose) but if you're betting on the underdog this week I think the Colts have the best shot.

It's definitely not going to happen with Elie and Pominville tho, just like CJ isn't going to find sustained offensive success with Larsson and Okposo.
- jcragcrumple

I think the kid needs the upcoming week off badly. He hasn't played well, and I don't blame any of it on the line combo's.

I think the kid needs the upcoming week off badly. He hasn't played well, and I don't blame any of it on the line combo's.
- Lunaion

The two issues are inextricably linked imo. Eichel was saddled with Girgs last year, and finished slightly below a PPG. Mittelstadt at 20 is utterly (frank)ed with Elie and Pominville imo

Chiefs go one and done every year. They were two 4th down conversions away from losing to the ravens at home two weeks ago, lost to the chargers two weeks ago at home. Colts are 10-1 in their last 11. I like Luck's chances of scoring more points on that putrid Chiefs defence then Mahomes scoring 40+ on that sneaky efficient Colts D.

Perhaps my Broncos bias is blinding me (in wanting the chiefs to lose) but if you're betting on the underdog this week I think the Colts have the best shot.
- Pegullaville

My logic is that Luck is the epitome of "not good" in the playoffs. The Chiefs lost with Alex Smith. Alex Smith is not Pat Mahomes. But we also have no playoff tape on Mahomes. In that system Mahomes is better. And yes, your bias is showing a bit. I think the Pats are the most likely team to get beat. The Texans had a great run too, and looked awful. I think Andy Reid vs Frank Reich could be a blood bath. Let's hope for another 45-44 game. That was awesome. I don't think the difference is huge, but I'm giving the edge to the Chiefs mainly on Luck's pedestrian at best playoff history.

The two issues are inextricably linked imo. Eichel was saddled with Girgs last year, and finished slightly below a PPG. Mittelstadt at 20 is utterly (frank)ed with Elie and Pominville imo
- jcragcrumple

I think were gonna see

28- 22- 71

Reunited tomorrow