I would evaluate what you have in Liljegren and take a hard look at moving him, but I'm not necessarily saying definitely do it. I'd be leaning more on the picks side of things and see what other pieces you may have. But if it's for a real difference maker at the TDL I think I'd do it.

idk who is out there that is that big difference maker FWIW
- RickJames77

Because the Leafs have no cap room at all next year, I wouldn't consider moving a controllable asset with high potential for a rental player - and that's all they can afford right now. Next year's TDL offers so much more flexibility because the following year Horton and Marleau are off the books, and anyone you trade for, you can at least be in on retaining the player if you're so inclined.

So while they are by no means untouchable, I'm not sure I'd like moving Liljegren or Sandin this year.

They might be Pros, but they gotta make quick decisions.

And sometimes they have brain farts. It happens.
- Scabeh

Yep. Pressure is a hell of a thing in a sport where you can get crushed.

Johansen had one last night too. Got the puck in the slot all alone (like 6ft in front of Hutch) but had to look down to coral the puck. He must've assumed that since he was stationary he was about to get crushed so he threw what couldn't have been more than a 15mph wrister about 4ft wide of the net.

Dubas has to strike a balance. If he does nothing to support the current roster... then bad on him. If he "shytes the bed" and gives away too much and team poops out in the playoffs ... that will be bad on him.

In my opinion Dubas has to decide between i) trading Nylander and breaking his "promise" ii) making the team better / more balanced by moving Nylander and eating the negative press associated with breaking the aforementioned promise.
- BorjeFan4Ever

No one will care about his empty promise if he improves the team.
The media and most fans know gms say sh!t and go back on what they said all the time.
His promise means nothing.

I wonder how much it would cost to get Puljujarvi out of that Edmonton mess.

I'd take a gamble on that guy.
- Scabeh

(frank)ing Chiarelli. To think we got a compensatory pick for the (frank)ing twat

The future is the next few years, bro.

Of course they'll be buyers for a considerable amount of time. They may and likely will add to their currently available cap space but they don't necessarily need to trade blue chip pieces to do it.

Liljegren and Sandin should be untouchable unless there is an absolutely outrageous deal that presents itself. I have no idea what that might be but if either one of them is part of a deal I can't wait to see what we're getting in return.
- mjones242

No one is untouchable.
Its about winning, dont get too comfortable with any players. Specially B players and prospects.

(frank)ing Chiarelli. To think we got a compensatory pick for the (frank)ing twat
- RickJames77

Rick, think your team will do anything major by the deadline? Chara and Bergy are getting up there.

(frank)ing Chiarelli. To think we got a compensatory pick for the (frank)ing twat
- RickJames77

Insane.

The worst GM in the League.

Rick, think your team will do anything major by the deadline? Chara and Bergy are getting up there.
- Leafsmart

I think the max they'll do is try and acquire a 3C, but anything is possible.

I think the max they'll do is try and acquire a 3C, but anything is possible.
- RickJames77

I hear Rick Nash is available again this year.

I hear Rick Nash is available again this year.
- Scabeh

(frank) you

I hear Rick Nash is available again this year.
- Scabeh

No one will care about his empty promise if he improves the team.
The media and most fans know gms say sh!t and go back on what they said all the time.
His promise means nothing.
- Fakepartofme

completely agree personally... improve the team should be the only objective.

but the doinks in the media will write about it constantly, Simmons and Rosie Dimanno should be starting their respective psycho babble articles about "fractured dressing room" or "interpersonal rivalries" ... its about that time of year.

(frank) you
- RickJames77

Petry is playing the best hockey of his career.

I doubt he's moved, unless it's for a potentially good young LHD.
- Scabeh

Brandon Smillie started it.

Brandon Smillie started it.
- annoyed

Yes well.... it wouldn't be the first time me and Brandon disagree on something.

Yes well.... it wouldn't be the first time me and Brandon disagree on something.
- Scabeh

damn, thought maybe there was a small chance at getting him cheap.

damn, thought maybe there was a small chance at getting him cheap.
- annoyed

I guess there's a chance at getting him.... but not cheap.

He's having the best season of his career so far.

St. Louis has around 1.4/5 million projected space this year, which is the difference between the Nylander and Parayko contracts. Parayko is having a rough year, albeit I would argue they are mis-using him and St.Louis is a poop show right now, but he has big upside and when he's on he is very good. Nylander also looks like crap right now, so this may be the right time to make this move. Fills needs, a good trade for both sides. Maybe try and pry Maroon out of there with a pick as well as his contract expires at the end of the year, Leafs obtain 1.5 million more room for next year all told...

St. Louis has around 1.4/5 million projected space this year, which is the difference between the Nylander and Parayko contracts. Parayko is having a rough year, albeit I would argue they are mis-using him and St.Louis is a poop show right now, but he has big upside and when he's on he is very good. Nylander also looks like crap right now, so this may be the right time to make this move. Fills needs, a good trade for both sides. Maybe try and pry Maroon out of there with a pick as well as his contract expires at the end of the year, Leafs obtain 1.5 million more room for next year all told...
- aminnes

I'm honestly of the belief Kapanen is the player being moved to improve the defence. Not because of any personal preference, I really like the player and he's shown a penchant for shining in big games. I just think the tea leaves show Nylander staying and Kapanen/Johnsson leaving.

I'm honestly of the belief Kapanen is the player being moved to improve the defence. Not because of any personal preference, I really like the player and he's shown a penchant for shining in big games. I just think the tea leaves show Nylander staying and Kapanen/Johnsson leaving.
- BetterCallSaul

Unfortunately I think your right. Unfortunate in that the Kapanen experiment shows us that Nylander's success had far more to do with playing with Matthews than it did his own personal abilities, and Kapanen has value in areas other than just offence and will likely be far cheaper. Johnsson has grit, he's the type of guy that you can win with in the playoffs, and again, will likely come fairly cheap. Nylander is simply not that guy, last night was particularly telling, as has been his playoff performance and this year to date. Removing his cap hit and transferring it to the defence is IMO the best way to balancing this team and putting them on a footing close to the real contenders.

When did the Athletic do the article on it? They had another article that described why the Leafs had nowhere near as much space as everyone thought. And then signed Willy to a $10m deal this year. Right now, the Forwards are $42m (including Hyman and Ennis); the Defense are 19.8m and the goalies are about $6m when you consider that Hutch will have some of his salary eaten in the minors, and some of his salary was already paid out by Florida.

You have a $1.2m buyout to Kessel, and $5.3m to Horton.

That's $74.3m out of 79.5m and they still have the ELC bonuses to pay for.

Sending Moore up and down and Kaskisuo up and down is shell game trickery but it is peanuts compared to those numbers. It doesn't get you even close to 20+ million.

Understand that I'm arguing out of confusion here. Those numbers just simply do not add up.
- Monkeypunk

It was an article that explained which teams should trade for Skinner.

And I read an article the other day on another website. I can’t find it.

From what I gather, every single day a player is on the roster they accumulate a cap hit.

If the cap hit is the exact same for the entire season and a team has 75 million in a 80 million cap....that team has 20 million in deadline cap space.

The caps are at 100k in cap space. They have 400k in cap space.

Every day a player takes up cap space. Whoever is on the roster and with injuries it causes teams to call up players which makes the number fluctuate.

Players on the IR still count towards the cap. LTIR players don’t...so Moore is called up and that’s another player that counts towards the cap+the players on the IR. Which is why they keep sending him down.

It was an article that explained which teams should trade for Skinner.

And I read an article the other day on another website. I can’t find it.

From what I gather, every single day a player is on the roster they accumulate a cap hit.

If the cap hit is the exact same for the entire season and a team has 75 million in a 80 million cap....that team has 20 million in deadline cap space.

The caps are at 100k in cap space. They have 400k in cap space.

Every day a player takes up cap space. Whoever is on the roster and with injuries it causes teams to call up players which makes the number fluctuate.

Players on the IR still count towards the cap. LTIR players don’t...so Moore is called up and that’s another player that counts towards the cap+the players on the IR. Which is why they keep sending him down.
- Santo_44

I totally get all of that. Because the cap is not directly tied to cash, cap accrual is basically percentage of yearly cap hit based on time on roster. So a guy like Moore has a cap hit of 925k. Which means that every day that Moore is on the NHL roster, he accrues basically 5k of of a cap hit. So every day he's not on the roster, and the player he is replacing is on LTIR, the Leafs save $5k. The same would apply for Kaskisuo, but he makes $675k, so his daily rate is closer to $3.5k. But what I meant was that this is basically scrounging for pennies in the couch cushions when compared to the money we'd need.

What I don't understand is how the Athletic and Cap Friendly arrive at this $24 million number.

All I can see is that *IF* the Leafs were to plop everyone currently injured on LTIR, then they would open up a whole new world of cap space - Horton + Andersen + Ennis + Hyman . . .but Andersen and Hyman are apt to have minimal stays on IR at most anyway, and they don't want to use Horton's LTIR unless they have to.

That's why I'm confused. But you know what. I'll try googling it and see if I can find the math for myself.

I totally get all of that. Because the cap is not directly tied to cash, cap accrual is basically percentage of yearly cap hit based on time on roster. So a guy like Moore has a cap hit of 925k. Which means that every day that Moore is on the NHL roster, he accrues basically 5k of of a cap hit. So every day he's not on the roster, and the player he is replacing is on LTIR, the Leafs save $5k. The same would apply for Kaskisuo, but he makes $675k, so his daily rate is closer to $3.5k. But what I meant was that this is basically scrounging for pennies in the couch cushions when compared to the money we'd need.

What I don't understand is how the Athletic and Cap Friendly arrive at this $24 million number.

All I can see is that *IF* the Leafs were to plop everyone currently injured on LTIR, then they would open up a whole new world of cap space - Horton + Andersen + Ennis + Hyman . . .but Andersen and Hyman are apt to have minimal stays on IR at most anyway, and they don't want to use Horton's LTIR unless they have to.

That's why I'm confused. But you know what. I'll try googling it and see if I can find the math for myself.
- Monkeypunk

This gives you an idea how it works:
https://www.capfriendly.c...ms/mapleleafs/cap-tracker

Performance bonuses:
https://www.capfriendly.c...leleafs/performance-bonus

No one will care about his empty promise if he improves the team.
The media and most fans know gms say sh!t and go back on what they said all the time.
His promise means nothing.
- Fakepartofme

100% correct.

St. Louis has around 1.4/5 million projected space this year, which is the difference between the Nylander and Parayko contracts. Parayko is having a rough year, albeit I would argue they are mis-using him and St.Louis is a poop show right now, but he has big upside and when he's on he is very good. Nylander also looks like crap right now, so this may be the right time to make this move. Fills needs, a good trade for both sides. Maybe try and pry Maroon out of there with a pick as well as his contract expires at the end of the year, Leafs obtain 1.5 million more room for next year all told...
- aminnes

Pietrangelo is better than Parayko.