7 weeks until the TDL. It cant come fast enough.

G, Coots, Provy, Ghost, and kids stay everyone else can be had for a right price
- dragonoffrost

This is my list as well. That basically leaves Simmonds, Jake and Gudas as trade bait. Nobody is really going to be interested in anything else imo.

Agreed. For now he's a piece you absolutely need. By far the most reliable offensive player we have.
- hereticpride

No one else has shown they can carry the mail. The supporting cast has been awful. I'm giving Couturier, Provorov, Patrick, Konecny and Ghost a pass but I cant say theyve earned it.

This is my list as well. That basically leaves Simmonds, Jake and Gudas as trade bait. Nobody is really going to be interested in anything else imo.
- hereticpride

Raffl is absolutely tradeable. Maybe Weal, maybe even Folin (since teams stock up on depth D). Lindblom would certainly interest teams but Flyers would still like to develop him into at least a top-nine forward.

For simplicity sake I am ignoring NTC or NMCs for any player below.


Im at the point of saying Hart, Provy, Sanheim, TK should be the only untouchables on the big team. Although he has been extremely disappointing to this point I would put NOPA on that list also just based on age and where he was drafted.

It would take a Richards or Carter like return to move Giroux ,Coots or Ghost. Higher for Giroux obviously. It kills me to say that. Giroux has carried this team for many years. Some of my favorite plays of the last 10 years are due to him . As good as Coots was last year he is not the same this year. I don't want to see him gone as I think he could be part of the solution but I would listen. Same for GHost. Note that I am not advocating moving these 3 but rather that at this point in the retooling with the failure of this season I would at least listen to possible deals where going into this season I wouldnt.

Next level I actually go Hagg as I think he has been a solid , physical player which is something the Flyers lack.

After that, every single person is fair game for being moved. The problem is to get something of value you probably have to move one of those players from either the first or second list.

Not sure I'd call the Couts penalty a "Hook" looks more like the refs interfering in the game again by trying to even things out...

Raffl is absolutely tradeable. Maybe Weal, maybe even Folin (since teams stock up on depth D). Lindblom would certainly interest teams but Flyers would still like to develop him into at least a top-nine forward.
- bmeltzer

Do you think JvR has any value at all? Do you think ANY team would even consider picking him up off waivers with that salary?

It’s official, this is the worst Flyers team of all time. They are soft, heartless and have become the laughingstock of the NHL.

I’m beyond angry at this point.

Raffl is absolutely tradeable. Maybe Weal, maybe even Folin (since teams stock up on depth D). Lindblom would certainly interest teams but Flyers would still like to develop him into at least a top-nine forward.
- bmeltzer

Closer to TDL properly but what exactly is the point of trading Raffl.
He was undrafted and spend only 2games in minors.
A 3rd round pick is already the maximum.
Makes more sense to resign him to a one year contract.
Only trade to Oilers , NY Islanders or Carolina is remote possibility

Closer to TDL properly but what exactly is the point of trading Raffl.
He was undrafted and spend only 2games in minors.
A 3rd round pick is already the maximum.
Makes more sense to resign him to a one year contract.
Only trade to Oilers , NY Islanders or Carolina is remote possibility
- goenzoy

Most teams looking for a depth guy would take Raffl

It’s official, this is the worst Flyers team of all time. They are soft, heartless and have become the laughingstock of the NHL.

I’m beyond angry at this point.
- BiggE

I'm getting close to morbidly curious as to how much worse this can get.

Last night has to be rock bottom, right?

Right?

I'm getting close to morbidly curious as to how much worse this can get.

Last night has to be rock bottom, right?

Right?
- johndewar

Unless Fletcher “attempts some sort of meaningful” move it will continue. Plain and simple.

https://twitter.com/Jensekongen/status/1082468911021461504?s=20

Basically venting the same frustrations 99% of us are. Players need to step up. Front office needs to do something.
- hereticpride

That’s (frank)ing awesome.... nothing but truth.👍

well least I didn't watch it, I think my mens league game was much more entertaining

Closer to TDL properly but what exactly is the point of trading Raffl.
He was undrafted and spend only 2games in minors.
A 3rd round pick is already the maximum.
Makes more sense to resign him to a one year contract.
Only trade to Oilers , NY Islanders or Carolina is remote possibility
- goenzoy

Trade him and then re sign him if you want in the offseason.

Worst possible outcome is Ottawa winning the draft lottery so Colorado can get the top pick.

Worst possible outcome is Ottawa winning the draft lottery so Colorado can get the top pick.
- J35Bacher

Nah. I mean it would suck to see Colorado get the 1st but at least Hughes would be out of the East.

Worst case scenario is three teams leap frog us in the lottery.

Raffl is absolutely tradeable. Maybe Weal, maybe even Folin (since teams stock up on depth D). Lindblom would certainly interest teams but Flyers would still like to develop him into at least a top-nine forward.
- bmeltzer

I forgot about Raffl. The other guys I'm fine with moving too but I'm honestly not expecting much of a return for Weal or Folin. I think Simmonds and Gudas are the two big deadline pieces for us and Jake is the big off-season piece.

It’s official, this is the worst Flyers team of all time. They are soft, heartless and have become the laughingstock of the NHL.

I’m beyond angry at this point.
- BiggE

It's so bad at this point, I can't get through more than a couple minutes of a game without turning it off! Even during the season which shall not be named, it was fun watching the kids play and towards the end of that season, you could see the light at the end of the tunnel. Not so much this season

7 weeks until the TDL. It cant come fast enough.
- Baxter27

7 weeks sounds like forever...painful!

7 weeks sounds like forever...painful!
- NC Flyers Fan

Part of me wants to see a trade made now just so the message that this is 100% unacceptable is abundantly clear. I hate that the kids have to go through this garbage right now.

Part of me wants to see a trade made now just so the message that this is 100% unacceptable is abundantly clear. I hate that the kids have to go through this garbage right now.
- hereticpride

But the kids are also part of this garbage.

I was hoping for more this year from Patrick and Lindblom. I was hoping to see a pretty solid Provorov and Gostisbehere.

The kids are part of this.

I forgot about Raffl. The other guys I'm fine with moving too but I'm honestly not expecting much of a return for Weal or Folin. I think Simmonds and Gudas are the two big deadline pieces for us and Jake is the big off-season piece.
- hereticpride

Raffl has some value. He can play up and down the lineup and can be a threat at times.

Voracek looks like he isn’t healthy. He has always been inconsistent but not like this. On his good days he has a mix of physicality and skill similar to Forsberg. On his bad days he looks like an AHL player. It is almost like he isn’t healthy but sometimes he feels good and it shows in his game other times not so much.

Equal value for Weal? Bag of used practice pucks?

For years they have spoke of this core. What have they accomplished to deserve to stick with this core? I understand Chicago, LA and Pittsburgh keeping the core together but the flyers core has done diddly squat.

At this point perhaps the best move is to just ride this out for now. Move Simmonds and Raffl near the trade deadline and consider moving Voracek as well. He's not a bad player, but he might be the piece to move from this core. I don't know what the realistic return would be for him though.

Bill Meltzer: Wrap: Blues Blank Flyers, 3-0; Flyers Gameday: 1-7-19 @ WSH
- bmeltzer

Such a disappointing season. I wanted our stars to at least survive this season so management can finally restructure the the bottom six, develop a goalie and buyout Mac.