If Voracek was a UFA I would be shopping him for a new pair of skates for Hart.
- Glak18

I still dont think Jake would be as hard to move as people make it out to be. His contract isnt thst bad. And with new TV contract ahead and cap going up every year itll be nothing in a few years. And I think his length and lack of protection could be an asset for a team like Arizona or Ottawa who is having a hard time holding onto players.

My entire point is how quickly we can WIN. The cup.

I appreciate other opinions which is why I like this board.

He IS the best player, and has been for years, on this core that has been awful.

Also, I get that he may have been betrayed by his: Coach and GM, President & Owner (with their: old-boy, former player, 200 ft or bust nonsense.)

We need to load-up on young talent with high-ceilings and hope we hit on AT LEAST one of them....

Just like Giroux back in the day, as a late 1st rounder! Maybe Frost is that? Maybe he excels against Junior talent....

I swear that the whole, bad-but-not-awful sounds good but does not always work as quickly as by-the-book-factoids would like.
- DrMidnite

Trading g will set us back at least 5 years. Flyers cup 2028...

Trading g will set us back at least 5 years. Flyers cup 2028...
- Tfaehner

You are crazy if you think it takes 10 years to build a winner from scratch. With money to spend and high picks?

4 years of slow progress with some excitement mixed in would be good to me.

Does ANYONE here think they are within 2 years of being a cup threat??

Like I said, his contract is up. A decision has to be made. People are voicing their opinions how that should be handled.

If Jake's contract were up after this disaster season it'd be the same discussion.
- hereticpride

You're not being accurate stating that it's contract related. That's only part of it.

I still dont think Jake would be as hard to move as people make it out to be. His contract isnt thst bad. And with new TV contract ahead and cap going up every year itll be nothing in a few years. And I think his length and lack of protection could be an asset for a team like Arizona or Ottawa who is having a hard time willing to pay high salary for players.
- Tfaehner

You really are a silver lining kind of person aren't you


and fixed

My entire point is how quickly we can WIN. The cup.

I appreciate other opinions which is why I like this board.

He IS the best player, and has been for years, on this core that has been awful.

Also, I get that he may have been betrayed by his: Coach and GM, President & Owner (with their: old-boy, former player, 200 ft or bust nonsense.)

We need to load-up on young talent with high-ceilings and hope we hit on AT LEAST one of them....

Just like Giroux back in the day, as a late 1st rounder! Maybe Frost is that? Maybe he excels against Junior talent....

I swear that the whole, bad-but-not-awful sounds good but does not always work as quickly as by-the-book-factoids would like.
- DrMidnite

The quickest way to win the Cup is not by trading Giroux.

I still dont think Jake would be as hard to move as people make it out to be. His contract isnt thst bad. And with new TV contract ahead and cap going up every year itll be nothing in a few years. And I think his length and lack of protection could be an asset for a team like Arizona or Ottawa who is having a hard time holding onto players.
- Tfaehner

Jake is definitely moveable imo. Very likely has to be an off season move, but certainly moveable.

You're not being accurate stating that it's contract related. That's only part of it.
- MJL

I still dont think Jake would be as hard to move as people make it out to be. His contract isnt thst bad. And with new TV contract ahead and cap going up every year itll be nothing in a few years. And I think his length and lack of protection could be an asset for a team like Arizona or Ottawa who is having a hard time holding onto players.
- Tfaehner

Teams having to meet the asking price is part of that equation. Think back to how they acquired Voracek and for who? The Flyers traded Carter for Voracek and the 8th pick in the draft. Why would Arizona or Ottawa give up a high pick like that?

In the Edmonton thread I offered JvR for Lucic and Yamamoto....

One person threw up and the other took the deal. It goes to show the perception of JvR isn't just a Philly bias thing. Seriously wouldn't give up an injured Yamo and tub of crap for JvR...says it all.

You are crazy if you think it takes 10 years to build a winner from scratch. With money to spend and high picks?

4 years of slow progress with some excitement mixed in would be good to me.

Does ANYONE here think they are within 2 years of being a cup threat??
- DrMidnite

He said 5 years not 10.

I hear Amac is popular in the locker room...like really popular.
- darkerens

Pfft.... Lehtera is clearly the most poplar player in the locker room. He has "the" connections

I remember clearly Giroux getting crapped on for 2 years in here...when it is deserved it is deserved.
- Glak18

At the same time though was it deserved? His body was still not 100% from his injuries(Wrist and hip). Schneider is having the same issue in NJ. His hip is franked. Giroux eventually got better, I dont think Schneider will be able to heal that well

Jake is definitely moveable imo. Very likely has to be an off season move, but certainly moveable.
- hereticpride

Agree he is just the Flyers version of Phil Kessel.
Maybe the share the same cookies

You are crazy if you think it takes 10 years to build a winner from scratch. With money to spend and high picks?

4 years of slow progress with some excitement mixed in would be good to me.

Does ANYONE here think they are within 2 years of being a cup threat??
- DrMidnite

You are crazy if you think we can "Just" replace a 100 point playmaker that carries our team. Please enlighten us who is going to replace Giroux's production? NoPa is barely a #3 C right now, I am not sure he has the upside to be as good as Giroux.

A Giroux trade would bring prospects and picks which take time to develop. Coots took 7 years to break out.

I still dont think Jake would be as hard to move as people make it out to be. His contract isnt thst bad. And with new TV contract ahead and cap going up every year itll be nothing in a few years. And I think his length and lack of protection could be an asset for a team like Arizona or Ottawa who is having a hard time holding onto players.
- Tfaehner

Arizona got enough good players who want to be there
Injuries and inconsistent play is the problem

You are crazy if you think we can "Just" replace a 100 point playmaker that carries our team. Please enlighten us who is going to replace Giroux's production? NoPa is barely a #3 C right now, I am not sure he has the upside to be as good as Giroux.

A Giroux trade would bring prospects and picks which take time to develop. Coots took 7 years to break out.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I. Don't. Know.

But to think that we would lose 100 pts is absurd, because they would be replaced at least partially by his replacement(s).

In the Edmonton thread I offered JvR for Lucic and Yamamoto....

One person threw up and the other took the deal. It goes to show the perception of JvR isn't just a Philly bias thing. Seriously wouldn't give up an injured Yamo and tub of crap for JvR...says it all.
- Glak18

in nhl19 I traded Nolan Patrick and a 1st for Mcdavid

He said 5 years not 10.
- MJL

Yup. I assumed he meant 5 years on top of the existing rebuild, which is where I got my 10.

I love G too. And Recchi, Lindros, Brind'Amour....

It's time to move on.

Yup. I assumed he meant 5 years on top of the existing rebuild, which is where I got my 10.

I love G too. And Recchi, Lindros, Brind'Amour....

It's time to move on.
- DrMidnite

As with every player it ultimately depends on what the return is. If G got us say a Matthews or Liane ok, I'd do it. Of course. That's not going to happen though.

If G only got you a decent top 6 prospect and a late round 1st are you pulling the trigger? I'm probably not right now. If things don't turn around as G gets older then yeah, I'll likely be looking to move him then.

Is that your favorite player?
- Glak18

No that is the favorite target of my ire

At the same time though was it deserved? His body was still not 100% from his injuries(Wrist and hip). Schneider is having the same issue in NJ. His hip is franked. Giroux eventually got better, I dont think Schneider will be able to heal that well
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I was waiting for this reasoning...if a player is playing so poorly due to injury then they shouldn't be playing and deserve twice the blame. That is unacceptable.

in nhl19 I traded Nolan Patrick and a 1st for Mcdavid
- Flyers Time

So the game's GM AI is super realistic?

Voracek is my favorite target of admiration
- dragonoffrost

Gotcha

I. Don't. Know.

But to think that we would lose 100 pts is absurd, because they would be replaced at least partially by his replacement(s).
- DrMidnite

No they wont because

#1, the returns likely wont be in the NHL right away, not the ones that are going to matter.

#2 Those players need to develop.

#3 It would be replacement singular because if there are more than one player yu also have to subtract the player whos spot he is taking.

Like I pointed out before Couturier was a piece we got in the Carter trade. It took him 7 years to get to where he is now. They got Voracek as well who turned out to be better than Carter but you have to understand it is more likely to get a guy who will surpass 60, than it is to get a guy who will hit 100.

IF we traded Giroux which we cant because he has a NMC which for some reason people dont understand........ The chances of getting a player back that lives up to his skill level is extremely low. You are basically looking at something like Giroux for Rantanen which doesnt make sense from Colorado's stand point unless they didnt believe he could match Giroux which there is no reason not to.