I was waiting for this reasoning...if a player is playing so poorly due to injury then they shouldn't be playing and deserve twice the blame. That is unacceptable.
- Glak18

Unacceptable? 0% of players sit regardless of injury. Rich Peverly had a heart attack on the bench and still wanted to go back out. Bergeron played with broken ribs and a puncture lung. Why is it Giroux's fault for playing? If anyone should get the blame would it not be the coach who let him play?

Do we think Morin or Myers will get any time with the big club before the end of the season? I'd like to see a little bit of these kids at the NHL level if possible heading into the offseason.

Gotcha
- Glak18

After Jake leaves I ban #93 from hitting the ice again on a Flyers jersey

After Jake leaves I ban #93 from hitting the ice again on a Flyers jersey
- dragonoffrost

We need a solid 91.

hot take, after spending some time playing the NHL 19 GM mode i actually like the way the scouting works and how you can't tell the potential of a prospect in the draft unless you've sent a scout to that region.

Yup. I assumed he meant 5 years on top of the existing rebuild, which is where I got my 10.

I love G too. And Recchi, Lindros, Brind'Amour....

It's time to move on.
- DrMidnite

It's not time to move on from Giroux. I disagree.

No they wont because

#1, the returns likely wont be in the NHL right away, not the ones that are going to matter.

#2 Those players need to develop.

#3 It would be replacement singular because if there are more than one player yu also have to subtract the player whos spot he is taking.

Like I pointed out before Couturier was a piece we got in the Carter trade. It took him 7 years to get to where he is now. They got Voracek as well who turned out to be better than Carter but you have to understand it is more likely to get a guy who will surpass 60, than it is to get a guy who will hit 100.

IF we traded Giroux which we cant because he has a NMC which for some reason people dont understand........ The chances of getting a player back that lives up to his skill level is extremely low. You are basically looking at something like Giroux for Rantanen which doesnt make sense from Colorado's stand point unless they didnt believe he could match Giroux which there is no reason not to.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Voracek in his prime is not better than Carter in his prime. Carter is a much better all around player.

Taryn Hatcher and Gritty made this season a real home run.

You are crazy if you think it takes 10 years to build a winner from scratch. With money to spend and high picks?

4 years of slow progress with some excitement mixed in would be good to me.

Does ANYONE here think they are within 2 years of being a cup threat??
- DrMidnite

Within in 2 years I think they will be a cup threat.

Trading G unless you can get a ridiculous return Tier 1 player, tier 1 prospect, multiple high picks sets the team back.

Voracek in his prime is not better than Carter in his prime. Carter is a much better all around player.
- MJL

Funny that Carter used to get grilled for taking shifts off here.

Do we think Morin or Myers will get any time with the big club before the end of the season? I'd like to see a little bit of these kids at the NHL level if possible heading into the offseason.
- hereticpride

Probably not. Fenor said that they are exposed no matter what because they are over 20 but I dont think that is right. I think they have to have a specific amount of games played to be exposed in the Expansion draft. As per NHL's website

* All first- and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward protection limits.

In addition, all NHL teams must meet the following minimum requirements regarding players exposed for selection in the draft:

* One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played in at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons.

* Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons.

* One goalie who is under contract in 2021-22 or will be a restricted free agent at the end of his current contract immediately prior to 2021-22. If a team elects to make a restricted free agent goalie available to meet this requirement, that goalie must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the team's protected list.

* Players with potential career-ending injuries who have missed more than the previous 60 consecutive games (or who otherwise have been confirmed to have a career-threatening injury) may not be used to satisfy a team's player exposure requirements unless approval is received from the NHL. Such players also may be deemed exempt from selection.

As far as I understand they are not eligible as long as they dont play 25 games this season in the NHL

Unacceptable? 0% of players sit regardless of injury. Rich Peverly had a heart attack on the bench and still wanted to go back out. Bergeron played with broken ribs and a puncture lung. Why is it Giroux's fault for playing? If anyone should get the blame would it not be the coach who let him play?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Hey I like to hear the feel good stories too...you know the guy who plays with a broken foot and scores the game winner, but the problem is no one talks about the guy who goes out injured or sick and is part of the reason they lost. In this situation we are talking about a game...one game that a player pushes through.

I'm not blaming Giroux for being injured or having surgery, he made the choice to play through it for TWO years (at least that was the reasoning for why he was bad during those years). A player is judged on their on-ice performance pure and simple, I don't care why.

Maybe Weise has been playing injured...his entire career or Lehtera stubbed his toe a few years ago...how about Weal, maybe he has been playing injured...are they justified now? Or does that only work for star players?

Probably not. Fenor said that they are exposed no matter what because they are over 20 but I dont think that is right. I think they have to have a specific amount of games played to be exposed in the Expansion draft. As per NHL's website



As far as I understand they are not eligible as long as they dont play 25 games this season in the NHL
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I thought the Vegas draft was first or second year pro players were exempt

It's not time to move on from Giroux. I disagree.
- MJL

Trading G is completely out of the question, not worth discussing and downright stupid. If Fletcher does this now, I’m shopping for a new team. I won’t follow stupidity.

When was Wayne Simmonds ever a good skater? If you really put skating as an area where Simmonds had been declining, I’m not sure you ever knew Wayne Simmonds.

Now if you are trying to say his reflects aren’t as quick, you might be on to something. You definitely could be on to something in terms of not winning puck battles. This is an area where you can decline from.

I think Ron Hextall took the physicality out of this team. I don’t think Simmonds lost his ability to hit, he’s been hitting lately, which we haven’t seen in awhile. Hitting is also something you need to be willing to do, not something a guy really declines. I don’t think Simmonds lost his ability to be physical or his ability to fight. Nobody is beating up Simmonds.

A declining trait is more along the lines of having good puck handling skill and years down the road, not being able to do it anymore. Simmonds has never been that guy. Scoring is another example but Simmonds is scoring about as much as anyone with lesser linemates.

I don’t think you named declining traits.
- SuperSchennBros

Translated: Don't tell me that he doesn’t handle the puck as well as he once did, he’s turning over pucks at a higher rate, his skating is slower that it was t begin with, he plays with less physicality, he loses board/puck battles he used to win, and that his work ethic has taken a down turn...list something that he doesn't do as well as he used to.

I thought the Vegas draft was first or second year pro players were exempt
- dragonoffrost

Yes but isnt it you have to play at least 25 games for it to be considered as a "season" in the NHL?

If they play this year, that would be 1 season. 2019-20 would be season 2. 2020-21 would be season 3 where they would be considered 3rd year players correct?

Probably not. Fenor said that they are exposed no matter what because they are over 20 but I dont think that is right. I think they have to have a specific amount of games played to be exposed in the Expansion draft. As per NHL's website



As far as I understand they are not eligible as long as they dont play 25 games this season in the NHL
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The games played is that you must expose one player who meets the requirements.

Being on the exposed/protected list is based on completing 2 North American pro seasons, which they both will have done.

Yes but isnt it you have to play at least 25 games for it to be considered as a "season" in the NHL?

If they play this year, that would be 1 season. 2019-20 would be season 2. 2020-21 would be season 3 where they would be considered 3rd year players correct?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Pro not NHL... AHL is pro

hot take, after spending some time playing the NHL 19 GM mode i actually like the way the scouting works and how you can't tell the potential of a prospect in the draft unless you've sent a scout to that region.
- Mordecai

Still no GM connected?

Pro not NHL... AHL is pro
- dragonoffrost

It clearly states in the rules all first and second year NHL players are exempt. Not AHL.

It clearly states in the rules all first and second year NHL players are exempt. Not AHL.
- MJL

I thought anyone on an ELC contract was exempt?

Do we think Morin or Myers will get any time with the big club before the end of the season? I'd like to see a little bit of these kids at the NHL level if possible heading into the offseason.
- hereticpride

Morin yes. Hes not waiver exempt. Have to see what we have in him quite honestly. Myers coin flip. Hes still had some struggles with consistency game to game. Gets turned around here and there. Nothing that couldn't be worked on at the NHL level but I'd rather atm keep him far away from this train wreck team where every mistake ends up in the back of the net.

It clearly states in the rules all first and second year NHL players are exempt. Not AHL.
- MJL

That is how I took it as well. If that is the case keeping Myers down this season is the best. Come next year he would only be a 2nd year NHL player by the expansion draft. Morin needs to be healthy to play for the Flyers which is unlikely in itself.

It clearly states in the rules all first and second year NHL players are exempt. Not AHL.
- MJL

From NHL.COM
https://www.nhl.com/news/...n-draft-rules/c-281010592

All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

Professional not NHL when Vegas came in. Supposed to be the same for Seattle.

From NHL.COM
https://www.nhl.com/news/...n-draft-rules/c-281010592



Professional not NHL when Vegas came in. Supposed to be the same for Seattle.
- dragonoffrost

This link from NHL.com contradicts that though. This one stats NHL players

https://www.nhl.com/news/...ghts-followed/c-302586918