100% the saving point has been missed, only thing different from when hextall was here is hart picked up some starts. Seems like more of the same. Just frustrated like every other flyers fan. I get fletcher needs time to evaluate and time to find a willing trading partner.

I just think he needs to commit to something - I think Simmonds trade value should help to land a nylander or stone type player.
- MrPerfect316

There's no way Simmonds gets you either one of those players without a big addition.

Also, Hart started because every other goalie was injured. I think Hexy would have done the same.

They have to beat last years 10 game losing streak
- wcorvette

Devils may ruin this for us

I agree. But they can get away with a lack of secondary scoring if their PP, PK, and goaltending can support them.

This year, basically everything has been an issue.
- jmatchett383

Too many issues to count, unbelievable.

In past years when they had a losing streak you could sometimes see signs that they were playing better and even though they would lose a certain game, they were playing the right way. That’s when I felt the losing streak was close to being over.

This year’s streak there really haven’t been any signs they are close to getting back to winning.

I though they played Calgary well, but the next game was two steps backward.

Just a total mess right now, with no signs of getting better.

I do like the line of Voracek with Lindblom. They seem to have some chemistry.

Hearing there is a lot of interest in Simmonds. Leafs, Flame and Jets among the teams interested. Let the bidding war commence.

There was mention a while ago that Simmonds is seeking a 6 year deal, which to me is so ridiculous that it's not even worth discussing. He's gone.
- hereticpride

I finally heard the JJ and Jonesy recording. While caught on camera, they didn’t sound different from any of us, except they were bashing the team. Now they did mention two players by name that I could make out. Dale Weise needing to go and Voracek’s ability to quit.

I don’t know how any of you do not tired of listening to yourselves complaining about the exact same players every single day while the team struggles.

So because Simmonds isn’t having pucks deflect off him, with the benefit of timing, hand eye coordination and proper line mates, instantly he’s done? I don’t think anyone in this line up is done, they just have to put in an effort and work to their strengths.

The last time it looked like we were on to something, they put G back at center. Now Gordon is featuring the same Hakstol line up by putting G on the wing with Couturier and we can’t win a game.

Do the math.

In past years when they had a losing streak you could sometimes see signs that they were playing better and even though they would lose a certain game, they were playing the right way. That’s when I felt the losing streak was close to being over.

This year’s streak there really haven’t been any signs they are close to getting back to winning.

I though they played Calgary well, but the next game was two steps backward.

Just a total mess right now, with no signs of getting better.

I do like the line of Voracek with Lindblom. They seem to have some chemistry.
- Marc D

If we as fans feel like a Wayne Simmonds needs to go, or a Jake Voracek or a James Van Riemsdyk. How the hell is this supposed to be an attractive coaching job for a guy like Joel Quenneville? What’s left once all these guys are traded?

If we as fans feel like a Wayne Simmonds needs to go, or a Jake Voracek or a James Van Riemsdyk. How the hell is this supposed to be an attractive coaching job for a guy like Joel Quenneville? What’s left once all these guys are traded?
- SuperSchennBros

A young team packed with top-end prospects that is top-5 in the league, similar to what Chicago had when Q took the Chicago job after Chicago had missed the playoffs the prior season?

I'm not worried about NoPa, but I really wish he were a more selfish player.
- johndewar

This team is full of players who have never seen a pass that they didn’t like

If we as fans feel like a Wayne Simmonds needs to go, or a Jake Voracek or a James Van Riemsdyk. How the hell is this supposed to be an attractive coaching job for a guy like Joel Quenneville? What’s left once all these guys are traded?
- SuperSchennBros

what about this core of veterans seems to be working to you? Simmonds has been a shell of his self. yeah of course he will score 20 plus in his sleep but his overall game has been bad for a while.

If we as fans feel like a Wayne Simmonds needs to go, or a Jake Voracek or a James Van Riemsdyk. How the hell is this supposed to be an attractive coaching job for a guy like Joel Quenneville? What’s left once all these guys are traded?
- SuperSchennBros

I am happy to keep Voracek. When he’s on, he’s a player who can take over a game.

I don’t see Wayne being re signed but as MJL mentioned, I’d rather have Simmonds right now then JvR.

I agree with you that Giroux should be playing #1C with this current line up. NP is not ready to be the #2C yet and they really have no one for 3C.

Next year maybe NP improves hopefully and they sign or trade for a legit 3C, then G can go back to LW. It was a mistake this season, and it took me a while to get here but I think they needed G at C this year. Long term he is better off on wing for longevity.

Has any pro team fired two coaches in the same season? Not that this is Gordons mess or he could be fired, just a curious question?

I am happy to keep Voracek. When he’s on, he’s a player who can take over a game.

I don’t see Wayne being re signed but as MJL mentioned, I’d rather have Simmonds right now then JvR.

I agree with you that Giroux should be playing #1C with this current line up. NP is not ready to be the #2C yet and they really have no one for 3C.

Next year maybe NP improves hopefully and they sign or trade for a legit 3C, then G can go back to LW. It was a mistake this season, and it took me a while to get here but I think they needed G at C this year. Long term he is better off on wing for longevity.
- Marc D

You’re only going to see the very best of Simmonds or JvR if they are playing with playmakers, most preferably in the middle.

what about this core of veterans seems to be working to you? Simmonds has been a shell of his self. yeah of course he will score 20 plus in his sleep but his overall game has been bad for a while.
- nastyflyergirl

Simmonds isn’t playing with anyone. Jordan Weal is not a good player.

My (probably wrong) but my thoughts:

This year has sucked. There were expectations laid out and weren't meant. It started with having a shaky goalie situation to start as both were coming off injury. Elliott I could live with but something else needed to be done. Also there was a need for center depth as it was a lot of hope that a rookie center along with a 2nd year center were going to hold down the 2 and 3rd lines. That's probably on Hextall.

van Riemsdyk looked nice because we did need secondary scoring but it has not worked out. Maybe it's the mix or maybe he just isn't that good for some reason. You don't score like he did in Toronto by accident so it must be there. but was the signing a mistake? I still believe that signing had in my mind a little to do with the idea of moving on from Simmonds this year. That's just me.

Everything that could go wrong has this year. Younger players haven't taken control of roles or played extremely well. Vets haven't shown the leadership expected and taken control when you see the youth struggling. Most nights our best players just aren't good enough.

Overall the team is just a mess. Mistakes are compounded by more mistakes. Team defense lacks and we have a 20 year old goalie.

Yes. i get impatient. I make dumb fantasy trades because I just think a new mix is needed. Is a blowup needed...Hell no. this team has pieces. They have young prospects and now have a chance at a top pick. For those who think this team isn't a desirable job your wrong. Cap space, prospects, picks and some solid roster pieces make this team a team that could turn it around next year.

A young team packed with top-end prospects that is top-5 in the league, similar to what Chicago had when Q took the Chicago job after Chicago had missed the playoffs the prior season?
- jmatchett383

Has Nolan Patrick, Travis Konecny Oskar Lindblom shown they could be as good as Johnathon Toews or Patrick Kane? They have nothing but time to develop but one of them needs to take that next step now.

I am happy to keep Voracek. When he’s on, he’s a player who can take over a game.

I don’t see Wayne being re signed but as MJL mentioned, I’d rather have Simmonds right now then JvR.

I agree with you that Giroux should be playing #1C with this current line up. NP is not ready to be the #2C yet and they really have no one for 3C.

Next year maybe NP improves hopefully and they sign or trade for a legit 3C, then G can go back to LW. It was a mistake this season, and it took me a while to get here but I think they needed G at C this year. Long term he is better off on wing for longevity.
- Marc D

There is little reason to keep Voracek. The game he plays is not something I want the kids to imitate.

I am happy to keep Voracek. When he’s on, he’s a player who can take over a game.

I don’t see Wayne being re signed but as MJL mentioned, I’d rather have Simmonds right now then JvR.

I agree with you that Giroux should be playing #1C with this current line up. NP is not ready to be the #2C yet and they really have no one for 3C.

Next year maybe NP improves hopefully and they sign or trade for a legit 3C, then G can go back to LW. It was a mistake this season, and it took me a while to get here but I think they needed G at C this year. Long term he is better off on wing for longevity.
- Marc D

I will be interested to see if they try to break Frost in as a wing or a center. If the organization wants to fast track him then I could totally see him as 1LW to Giroux at center. Coots and NOPA slot down.

There is if they move JVR
- Scoob

no argument there.

I think we should really be looking at Duchene. Trading for him if thats the only way you think you can get a jump to resign him, or through FA. That will fix the Center issue.

JVR-Duchene-
Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
Lindblom-Patrick-
Laughton
Just fill in the blanks.

When absolutely nobody is scoring, I truly get going with G, Coots and a rotatable right wing of TK, Voracek or Simmonds. Understandable. It is not the team winning formula for this roster but can certainly be a jump start. Until a trade can be made to acquire a 1C or 2C, G should be at center.

A “do your best with what you have” won’t make everyone happy though. The roster holes are still there, and we have surplus in some areas and missing role players in others.

And just forget line numbering altogether. Play who plays best or matches up best.

Lindblom - Coots - Voracek
JVR- G - Raffl
Laughton - Patrick - TK
Weise - Varone - Simmonds

My (probably wrong) but my thoughts:

This year has sucked. There were expectations laid out and weren't meant. It started with having a shaky goalie situation to start as both were coming off injury. Elliott I could live with but something else needed to be done. Also there was a need for center depth as it was a lot of hope that a rookie center along with a 2nd year center were going to hold down the 2 and 3rd lines. That's probably on Hextall.

van Riemsdyk looked nice because we did need secondary scoring but it has not worked out. Maybe it's the mix or maybe he just isn't that good for some reason. You don't score like he did in Toronto by accident so it must be there. but was the signing a mistake? I still believe that signing had in my mind a little to do with the idea of moving on from Simmonds this year. That's just me.

Everything that could go wrong has this year. Younger players haven't taken control of roles or played extremely well. Vets haven't shown the leadership expected and taken control when you see the youth struggling. Most nights our best players just aren't good enough.

Overall the team is just a mess. Mistakes are compounded by more mistakes. Team defense lacks and we have a 20 year old goalie.

Yes. i get impatient. I make dumb fantasy trades because I just think a new mix is needed. Is a blowup needed...Hell no. this team has pieces. They have young prospects and now have a chance at a top pick. For those who think this team isn't a desirable job your wrong. Cap space, prospects, picks and some solid roster pieces make this team a team that could turn it around next year.
- J35Bacher

I agree with your last point...it's spot on. They have the assets to make enough moves to get this turned around for next year. Hopefully the makeover starts soon.

Has Nolan Patrick, Travis Konecny Oskar Lindblom shown they could be as good as Johnathon Toews or Patrick Kane? They have nothing but time to develop but one of them needs to take that next step now.
- SuperSchennBros

I don't think they have a Kane, but I think they have a better overall mix. The one thing that Chicago had that the Flyers don't is a solid blue line with two top-pair defensemen. Other than that, I think Hart is better than Niemi, and as long as 2 of their forward prospects pan out along with Myers, I think the team has the potential (potential, no guarantee), in a year or two, to be a contender.

Simmonds isn’t playing with anyone. Jordan Weal is not a good player.
- SuperSchennBros

you would sign him for 6 years? you think all of the older core should be back? its been how many years of mess to average?