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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 14 @ 8:06 PM ET
Fixed.

Not sure how 2 games turned into weeks. 3 games ago he had a goal and an assist, he did not play well at all.

Guess what, I don't have favorite players. I don't care who is on this team as long as they try. It has nothing to do with me not liking him, I don't like ANYONE who who floats, gives little effort and pigeons in front of the net. Again he had 36 goals last year for Toronto and fans wanted him gone 2 years ago, why? See 25 of his 30 games as a Flyer.

Now will JvR continue to skate or go back?

- Glak18


His entire career isn't very impressive. He's a 25 goal guy who plays soft and disappears a lot.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 14 @ 8:06 PM ET
It's laughable. It's also laughable that it is even allowed in the first place.
- Scoob



To me it's about the spirit of the game. He looked to be offsides by replay but if you need a micrometer, slide rule, and an I pad to look at it from 6 angles, close enough and within the rules of the spirit of the game. Blatant blown calls are really the issue.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 14 @ 8:07 PM ET
Are you one of the posters who defends Simmonds? I'm honestly asking cause I'm not sure

Cause JvR has more points than simmer in like 15 less games and people here say they would rather keep simmer over JvR

- bulet13


me
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jan 14 @ 8:07 PM ET
His entire career isn't very impressive. He's a 25 goal guy who plays soft and disappears a lot.
- Scoob

That's what they say about SimmonDs.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 14 @ 8:07 PM ET
He should get to about 50 points pace. If he continues at even a slightly less rate. I wanted 60 from him. 20 points in 30 atm. 9/11.
- Tfaehner


Yeah unfortunately I don't judge performance based solely on what their stat line is.

Seriously question for anyone, do you think it's possible to get 2-3 point game and have a bad game? Now can you get 0 points and have a good game?

Say a player averages 16 minutes a game over 82 games (1,312 minutes played in a season). A guy scores 30 goals in a year...WOW amazing not many players do that now. Let's assume on every one of those goals he has a good shift, avg 45 secs a shift. That's 22.5 minutes total.

1,312 minutes played total in an 82 game season.
22.5 minutes known good shifts for 30 goals.

Seriously someone looks at stats and sees 30 goals, damn that player is good, but
WTF does that player do to help a team for the other 1,289.5 minutes he plays?
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 14 @ 8:07 PM ET
me
- Scoob


Me too
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 14 @ 8:08 PM ET
To me it's about the spirit of the game. He looked to be offsides by replay but if you need a micrometer, slide rule, and an I pad to look at it from 6 angles, close enough and within the rules of the spirit of the game.
- MJL


Yep

Blatant blown calls are really the issue.


Yes, but they are extremely rare and don't warrant having the replay mechanism in place.

The game is played by humans and officiated by humans in real time. Leave it that way.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 14 @ 8:08 PM ET
After seeing weal get dealt for a bag of pucks I think it's pretty clear that fletcher will clear out non productive players from the team who dont fit whatever his vision of team is.
- Tfaehner

The so called leaders need to be moved too they’re part of the problem
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 14 @ 8:09 PM ET
That's what they say about SimmonDs.
- THE EVIL WITHIN


They can say that. It's their opinion. Doesn't change my opinion about either player.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 14 @ 8:09 PM ET
Did they not want him? I thought they just wanted tavares more and like us with simmer this year knew he wanted more than we were willing to pay.
- Tfaehner


No, they wanted him gone the season before he had 36 goals, the year he had a career year in points and the year he got career year in goals.

Ya know...floating, not playing defense, not trying, hurt team 5 on 5.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 14 @ 8:10 PM ET
Yep



Yes, but they are extremely rare and don't warrant having the replay mechanism in place.

The game is played by humans and officiated by humans in real time. Leave it that way.

- Scoob


I'm with you.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jan 14 @ 8:10 PM ET
His entire career isn't very impressive. He's a 25 goal guy who plays soft and disappears a lot.
- Scoob


And Simmonds is a 28 goal guy who tops out at 50 pts...
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jan 14 @ 8:11 PM ET
Yeah unfortunately I don't judge performance based solely on what their stat line is.

Seriously question for anyone, do you think it's possible to get 2-3 point game and have a bad game? Now can you get 0 points and have a good game?

Say a player averages 16 minutes a game over 82 games (1,312 minutes played in a season). A guy scores 30 goals in a year...WOW amazing not many players do that now. Let's assume on every one of those goals he has a good shift, avg 45 secs a shift. That's 22.5 minutes total.

1,312 minutes played total in an 82 game season.
22.5 minutes known good shifts for 30 goals.

Seriously someone looks at stats and sees 30 goals, damn that player is good, but
WTF does that player do to help a team for the other 1,289.5 minutes he plays?

- Glak18


Well of course. I've played and coached hockey and I was never an avid scorer. And impacting the game can be done in many ways. But goals also cant be discounted to nothing. Goals win games. And theres not that many players who consistently pot 25-30. Especially not on this roster.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 14 @ 8:11 PM ET
Still don't like him
- Scoob

Embrace the pigeon!
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jan 14 @ 8:11 PM ET
Me too
- Glak18


So you would rather take Simmonds and his 45 pts (Max) for the next 7 years?
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jan 14 @ 8:12 PM ET
They can say that. It's their opinion. Doesn't change my opinion about either player.
- Scoob


How is saying a player is a 25 goal scorer an opinion?
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jan 14 @ 8:12 PM ET
So you would rather take Simmonds and his 45 pts (Max) for the next 7 years?
- bulet13



Being completely honest. In a perfect world I'd have neither.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 14 @ 8:13 PM ET
Offside clear as day. Even the studio admits it.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

NHL network says the opposite
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 14 @ 8:14 PM ET
Jeez, what the hell was that?
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 14 @ 8:15 PM ET
Hart leaking
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 14 @ 8:15 PM ET
The so called leaders need to be moved too they’re part of the problem
- 2Real


I heard that from someone’s uncles friend who knows a guy....
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 14 @ 8:16 PM ET
I heard that from someone’s uncles friend who knows a guy....

- landros 2

That knows a guy... Who knows a guy
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jan 14 @ 8:16 PM ET
Drought busters
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 14 @ 8:16 PM ET
NHL network says the opposite
- dragonoffrost



I think they got it right.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 14 @ 8:16 PM ET
You can tell how soft the league has become when JJ flips out over very average hits.
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