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21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jan 15 @ 9:57 PM ET
He in net for the Canes? They should blow it up
- Drapz

Drapz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Windsor, ON
Joined: 07.10.2007

Jan 15 @ 10:06 PM ET
[quote=21peter]

Thanks.... Caps getting blown up too.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jan 15 @ 10:17 PM ET
[quote=Drapz]
Florida got blowed up to.
TrashPanda
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Your Green Bin, ON
Joined: 03.29.2018

Jan 15 @ 10:52 PM ET
Kayakjack
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pickering, ON
Joined: 08.09.2013

Jan 15 @ 11:05 PM ET
Blue line needs help, no question, but on average the Leafs have shown us a game that's Ill-suited to the playoffs and they often show that whenever they play a team that has a playoff style game. Hell, they're often sketchy even when they win games. That's not merely because of the blue line. My fear is that as a result they will basically be regular season giants and playoff busts...the Toronto version of the San Jose Sharks. As for Jake I see a guy, on every shift, who looks and plays defence like a converted forward...which he is. Dump the puck in his corner, lean on him and he becomes the gift that keeps on giving. He's 29, that's NOT gonna change. He reminds me of when I played beer league hockey and we had to stick a forward on D because it's Friday night and half our team is working the night shift.
plantheparade
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Hyman MVP
Joined: 07.04.2018

Jan 16 @ 4:11 AM ET
the issue isn't the defense as much as it is the forwards not playing hard enough.
apart from hyman, tavares, marner and in general the 4th line (lindholm has been very good imo, brown ok, goat ok, moore good etc.), the 2nd and 3rd fw lines are not bringing a consistent enough game with enough defensive awareness. they're just too easy to play against.

that goes for Matthews, Kapanen, Johnsson, Marleau, Kadri, Nylander.
Seems a little line switching might be best - and if that doesn't work, see whether a trade (probably Johnsson or Nylander best option) is available.

I would like to see:

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Kadri - Matthews - Kapanen
Marleau - Nylander - Brown
Lindholm - Goat - Johnsson

Maybe with a different setup, both Matthews and Nylander as well as Kadri can catch a break and play some better games. I don't think you can expect for Marleau (although always responsible), Brown or Johnsson to make a true difference on their own.
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Jan 16 @ 7:42 AM ET
the issue isn't the defense as much as it is the forwards not playing hard enough.
apart from hyman, tavares, marner and in general the 4th line (lindholm has been very good imo, brown ok, goat ok, moore good etc.), the 2nd and 3rd fw lines are not bringing a consistent enough game with enough defensive awareness. they're just too easy to play against.

that goes for Matthews, Kapanen, Johnsson, Marleau, Kadri, Nylander.
Seems a little line switching might be best - and if that doesn't work, see whether a trade (probably Johnsson or Nylander best option) is available.

I would like to see:

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Kadri - Matthews - Kapanen
Marleau - Nylander - Brown
Lindholm - Goat - Johnsson

Maybe with a different setup, both Matthews and Nylander as well as Kadri can catch a break and play some better games. I don't think you can expect for Marleau (although always responsible), Brown or Johnsson to make a true difference on their own.

- plantheparade


Nylander playing center is key to our Cup success!
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 16 @ 7:48 AM ET
Nylander playing center is key to our Cup success!

- gravyface



Our defense isn't the issue
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jan 16 @ 7:55 AM ET
Nylander playing center is key to our Cup success!

- gravyface

I don't understand why you'd replace Kadri with Nylander at center. Especially because it's a notoriously more difficult position and the person suggesting to do that has been consistently berating Nylander for a while now
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 16 @ 7:58 AM ET
Blue line needs help, no question, but on average the Leafs have shown us a game that's Ill-suited to the playoffs and they often show that whenever they play a team that has a playoff style game. Hell, they're often sketchy even when they win games. That's not merely because of the blue line. My fear is that as a result they will basically be regular season giants and playoff busts...the Toronto version of the San Jose Sharks. As for Jake I see a guy, on every shift, who looks and plays defence like a converted forward...which he is. Dump the puck in his corner, lean on him and he becomes the gift that keeps on giving. He's 29, that's NOT gonna change. He reminds me of when I played beer league hockey and we had to stick a forward on D because it's Friday night and half our team is working the night shift.
- Kayakjack


I disagree, he will be 30 at some point
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 16 @ 8:05 AM ET
I don't understand why you'd replace Kadri with Nylander at center. Especially because it's a notoriously more difficult position and the person suggesting to do that has been consistently berating Nylander for a while now
- RickJames77



Because kadri did so well last time tried to make him a winger.

Because nylander and Matthews don’t have chemistry together
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Jan 16 @ 8:07 AM ET
I don't understand why you'd replace Kadri with Nylander at center. Especially because it's a notoriously more difficult position and the person suggesting to do that has been consistently berating Nylander for a while now
- RickJames77


Dude, it is like the hotel scene from Fear and Loathing in here... pure bedlam because Jake played a couple of bad games. Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

Tell the peanut gallery that even the Legendary Chara has had some bad games in his career.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 16 @ 8:07 AM ET
https://twitter.com/carlo.../1085519442270928896?s=21

No way leafs trade for this loser. Lazy. Makes too many boneheaded plays. The bad outweighs the good he brings
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 16 @ 8:08 AM ET
Dude, it is like the hotel scene from Fear and Loathing in here... pure bedlam because Jake played a couple of bad games. Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

Tell the peanut gallery that even the Legendary Chara has had some bad games in his career.

- gravyface


Hey see Twitter link above. Lol
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Jan 16 @ 8:08 AM ET
Our defense isn't the issue
- burn


It is bat country in here.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jan 16 @ 8:11 AM ET
It is bat country in here.
- gravyface

I didn't mention anything about the bats...these poor bastards will see them soon enough.

burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 16 @ 8:14 AM ET
It is bat country in here.
- gravyface



The extreme overreaction to pendulum swings that unite us all.
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Jan 16 @ 8:15 AM ET
https://twitter.com/carlocolaiacovo/status/1085519442270928896?s=21

No way leafs trade for this loser. Lazy. Makes too many boneheaded plays. The bad outweighs the good he brings

- burn


Right? We need an NHL Center Ice intervention here:
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 16 @ 8:27 AM ET
#FreeJakeGardiner
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jan 16 @ 8:28 AM ET
#FreeJakeGardiner
- Symba007


Gardiner for Weber and a 2nd
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 16 @ 8:29 AM ET
Gardiner for Weber and a 2nd
- TheMussel

I SAID FREE


on July 1st
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jan 16 @ 8:30 AM ET
I SAID FREE
- Symba007


Fine, Weber and a 1st
Drapz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Windsor, ON
Joined: 07.10.2007

Jan 16 @ 8:31 AM ET
Fine, Weber and a 1st
- TheMussel


How much retention?
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jan 16 @ 8:33 AM ET
How much retention?
- Drapz


Not much longer, brb gotta poop
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 16 @ 8:35 AM ET
[quote=PatC80]
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