Chris Johnson was saying the Leafs might be looking to move Nicky Z

I wonder if there is a GM out there who thinks he is decent (like a Ceci) and would actually give up something for a RHD getting 20 min a game

Chris Johnson was saying the Leafs might be looking to move Nicky Z

I wonder if there is a GM out there who thinks he is decent (like a Ceci) and would actually give up something for a RHD getting 20 min a game
- senstroll

oh oh

here comes the Muzzin for Zaitsev trade offers.

oh oh

here comes the Muzzin for Zaitsev trade offers.
- zazzle

Muzzin > Zaitsev

He got outmuscled, that's not his game. Not surprising at all. Imo people making too much of that play. Imo bigger issues was him not using speed to win that race so he doesn't have to battle soderberg. No one saying how weak doughty is after that play. It's exactly 100% the same play as gardiner the day before.

Leafs keep gardiner for the playoffs there is no question. Trading him weakens an already weak spot. It makes zero sense. Leafs add dmen, not take them away.... Let alone their 2nd-3rd best dman. He makes mistakes, no different than anyone else. His net benefit is still much higher than his negatives, by a significant margin.
- burn

He does make some nice passes out of the zone. However, he also makes some no look passes straight to the other team. I dunno, I guess for the most part the pros outweigh the cons with Gardiner. His mistakes just always look so, so bad though

Muzzin > Zaitsev
- TheMussel

Not even a debate to be had

Not even a debate to be had
- RickJames77

I disagree.

I think Muzzin >>> Zaitsev.

Not even a debate to be had
- RickJames77

So let's trade Zaitsev for Muzzin

I disagree.

I think Muzzin >>> Zaitsev.
- Scabeh

Muzzin 8==D Weber

Muzzin 8==D Weber
- TheMussel

I'm gonna guess you mean Yannick Weber.

Much cuter.

where do we put another top 6 winger?
- Fakepartofme

on Matthews' line

Toffoli - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner

on Matthews' line

Toffoli - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
- plantheparade

Where's the 7M dollar man?

Chris Johnson was saying the Leafs might be looking to move Nicky Z

I wonder if there is a GM out there who thinks he is decent (like a Ceci) and would actually give up something for a RHD getting 20 min a game
- senstroll

Hopefully that gm can look pass his garbage long term contract.
Facking lou.

Cool.
Doughty makes 1 mistake like that this season.
That was gardiners 2nd big f up in two games.
- Fakepartofme

Doughty makes tons of mistakes as well. It’s hockey.

It’s funny because he made a huge mistake in the playoffs last year to eliminate his team. Just like someone I know...

I disagree.

I think Muzzin >>> Zaitsev.
- Scabeh

I dunno, its more likely that its >> and a 1/2 >

on Matthews' line

Toffoli - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
- plantheparade

Wow thats a crazy expensive 3rd line.
Almost 18 million

Jesus. Cant have that.

I dunno, its more likely that its >> and a 1/2 >
- Archaic

I'm a reasonable man and I accept your conclusion.

Doughty makes tons of mistakes as well. It’s hockey.

It’s funny because he made a huge mistake in the playoffs last year to eliminate his team. Just like someone I know...
- Santo_44

I don't think we really want to travel down the road of trying to compare Jake Gardiner to Drew Doughty.

I don't think we really want to travel down the road of trying to compare Jake Gardiner to Drew Doughty.
- RickJames77

I don’t think anyone is...it’s clear Doughty is far superior.

But there is a lot of people who think good defensmen don’t make mistakes because they only watch the Leafs play. But that is not true. Even the best d men in the league make mistakes that lead to goals.

I don't think we really want to travel down the road of trying to compare Jake Gardiner to Drew Doughty.
- RickJames77

It was actually Carlo Colaiacovo who posted a video of Doughty getting burned on the same play as Jake.

I'm a staunch Jake defender on here, but I am not comparing him to Doughty.

It was actually Carlo Colaiacovo who posted a video of Doughty getting burned on the same play as Jake.

I'm a staunch Jake defender on here, but I am not comparing him to Doughty.
- gravyface

https://www.nhl.com/video...es/t-277350912/c-63983303

Impossible. Only Jake Gardiner can make this type of mistake. Fire Gardiner

I don’t think anyone is...it’s clear Doughty is far superior.

But there is a lot of people who think good defensmen don’t make mistakes because they only watch the Leafs play. But that is not true. Even the best d men in the league make mistakes that lead to goals.
- Santo_44

I'll agree with you on that, but I think the frequency of these mistakes is the root of the issue and I wouldn't compare the two of them in that regard.

It was actually Carlo Colaiacovo who posted a video of Doughty getting burned on the same play as Jake.

I'm a staunch Jake defender on here, but I am not comparing him to Doughty.
- gravyface

Oh I've seen it...I just don't agree with allowing that instance of Doughty doing it to make it "acceptable" or to support the argument of you have to take the good with the bad.

Trust me, Gardiner is not the only out there doing things like that and I'm not saying that he is. I'm not hating on Jake Gardiner. I'll just critique poor play when I see it and there were a lot of instances of trying to turn to make a play out of the zone in that game instead of taking the safe play, which you should as a defender. To be fair the Rantanen incident wasn't a defenseman I believe...I forget who though

Oh I've seen it...I just don't agree with allowing that instance of Doughty doing it to make it "acceptable" or to support the argument of you have to take the good with the bad.

Trust me, Gardiner is not the only out there doing things like that and I'm not saying that he is. I'm not hating on Jake Gardiner. I'll just critique poor play when I see it and there were a lot of instances of trying to turn to make a play out of the zone in that game instead of taking the safe play, which you should as a defender. To be fair the Rantanen incident wasn't a defenseman I believe...I forget who though
- RickJames77

That goal was Kadri. He's been bad this year so far.

I don’t think anyone is...it’s clear Doughty is far superior.

But there is a lot of people who think good defensmen don’t make mistakes because they only watch the Leafs play. But that is not true. Even the best d men in the league make mistakes that lead to goals.
- Santo_44

Yeah, and the best dmen in the league usually have a good partner to back him up.

Jake's actually been better this year for Jakestakes by my eye test.

I'll agree with you on that, but I think the frequency of these mistakes is the root of the issue and I wouldn't compare the two of them in that regard.
- RickJames77

Fo sho.

This idea that Gardiner makes a mistake once in a while, or picking out other players who made a mistake (as all players do) is asinine.

If Jake Gardiner made a mistake now and then, there wouldn't be anyone giving a poop. It's a complete fabrication that Jake Gardiner rarely makes mistakes.