Interesting stat IMO

Since 2016-17 (last 2 1/2 years) at 5 on 5

Goals

Risto 10
McCabe - 6

Primary assists

Ristolainen- 15
McCabe 14

Total points

Ristolainen - 44
McCabe - 34


Not that big of a difference, until you see the minutes played in that span

Risto - 3727
McCabe 2804

900 more minutes and just 10 more 5 on 5 points

With Dahlin and Pilut, I’m not sure Risto is even the third best offensive D man we have.

Regardless of opinion on him. We should sell high
- sbroads24

I am not counting on Pilut that much yet, but I wonder what the numbers look like at even strength instead of just 5 on 5, as I feel like even strength truly is the bulk of the play during games.

I think it's a myth that he plays better with fewer minutes.
- Lunaion

How is there a sample size large enough of his play at reduced minutes to know that?

How is there a sample size large enough of his play at reduced minutes to know that?
- kingcong39

Just my opinion. He's played reduced minutes much of this year, and I see the same player. I'll never question his athleticism or conditioning.

I am not counting on Pilut that much yet, but I wonder what the numbers look like at even strength instead of just 5 on 5, as I feel like even strength truly is the bulk of the play during games.
- kingcong39

Problem is though is that would include all of Risto’s 3 on 3 time that McCabe never gets.

5 on 5 is really their only even playing field

It's not about getting the best player
It's about getting the right players for the team

- Stripes77

This is too wise and concisely stated for a place like this.

This is too wise and concisely stated for a place like this.
- seedy

Although he is correct . I agree with your post .

The Isles have 3 goals on 5 shots because why not

Problem is though is that would include all of Risto’s 3 on 3 time that McCabe never gets.

5 on 5 is really their only even playing field
- sbroads24

This is where I disagree with you:

You discount PP and 3-on-3 stats as though anyone who plays it is guaranteed to perform and produce points. He-who-shall-not-be-named really wasn't replaced on the power play. Other people have gotten more time, but they aren't as good

https://twitter.com/chart.../1085951894542004224?s=21

Dahlin is unreal at 18. We have a generational player.

And here’s another example of where Ristolainen is below average

This is where I disagree with you:

You discount PP and 3-on-3 stats as though anyone who plays it is guaranteed to perform and produce points. He-who-shall-not-be-named really wasn't replaced on the power play. Other people have gotten more time, but they aren't as good
- jcragcrumple

They count, but how can you compare two players when only one person gets that time?

If Jake McCabe can score and pass just as good as Risto 5 on 5, why exactly couldn’t he cycle the puck on the PP like 55 does?

Both of them play the majority of their time 5 on 5. That’s where you compare them

They count, but how can you compare two players when only one person gets that time?

If Jake McCabe can score and pass just as good as Risto 5 on 5, why exactly couldn’t he cycle the puck on the PP like 55 does?

Both of them play the majority of their time 5 on 5. That’s where you compare them
- sbroads24

You killed the blog ....





Again

You killed the blog ....





Again
- cabin

Psshh I revived it for a little bit

Psshh I revived it for a little bit
- sbroads24

I admit you did. Slow night tonight. Was watching the replay of the game. Seems the lines show promise in spurts . slacking at times and the line changes, then it's on fire . and then it's ho hum

https://twitter.com/chartinghockey/status/1085951894542004224?s=21

Dahlin is unreal at 18. We have a generational player.

And here’s another example of where Ristolainen is below average
- sbroads24

Imagine a Dahlin-Karlsson pairing. That would be insane.

They count, but how can you compare two players when only one person gets that time?

If Jake McCabe can score and pass just as good as Risto 5 on 5, why exactly couldn’t he cycle the puck on the PP like 55 does?

Both of them play the majority of their time 5 on 5. That’s where you compare them
- sbroads24

Because equal playing time doesn't mean they'll get the same amount of production. You can't throw e-rod in Eichel's PP spot and assume they'll produce at the same rate, and you can't assume that McCabe will produce the same as Risto on the PP. Risto is actually good at it

Because equal playing time doesn't mean they'll get the same amount of production. You can't throw e-rod in Eichel's PP spot and assume they'll produce at the same rate, and you can't assume that McCabe will produce the same as Risto on the PP. Risto is actually good at it
- jcragcrumple

Right, and Eichel blows Erod out of the water 5 on 5 too. So I don’t get that point?

My point is maybe McCabe could play the PP, and be just fine

Use the draft picks this year. Rid yourself of the deadweight, then make that kind of decision next season. Like you said, Murray moved to fast. It’s not that the ROR trade was terrible, it was just a year early. If Murray takes another year to asses what we have then we possibly have Eichel-Matthews/Dubois-ROR down the middle right now. Or Laine/Tkchuck on Eichel’s wing.
- Pegullaville

And won’t have dahlin on the team

This is where I disagree with you:

You discount PP and 3-on-3 stats as though anyone who plays it is guaranteed to perform and produce points. He-who-shall-not-be-named really wasn't replaced on the power play. Other people have gotten more time, but they aren't as good
- jcragcrumple

Dahlin replaced that other guy on the PP. He's better.

3v3 shows Risto's strengths and weaknesses very well. He's flat out won us some games, and flat out lost us some games. He's never boring. McCabe probably would be. He doesn't skate nearly as well.

And won’t have dahlin on the team
- Fattony1187

That’s the only positive. Hence why I hope we miss the playoffs this year and sink closer to a top 10 pick. If we pick twice in the top 15 and have another late first in a pretty good draft then we can really set ourselves up well.

https://twitter.com/chartinghockey/status/1085951894542004224?s=21

Dahlin is unreal at 18. We have a generational player.

And here’s another example of where Ristolainen is below average
- sbroads24

I’m no wizard at reading these graphs but I’m pretty sure the “average” you're referring to on that graph is the average offensive zone entries for forwards. That’s the line depicted in the graph.

When I isolated for Dmen on Buffalo, Winnipeg, and Nashville, Risto is better than everyone other than Roman Josi, Dahlin, Dustin Byfuglien, and Matthias Ekholm.

So at least insofar as entries go, this chart says Risto is superior to Trouba, Morrissey, Yannick Weber, Ryan Ellis, PK Subban, and Tyler Myers.

The area where Dahlin exceeds forward average is in carry in percentage. He is far below forward average in Entries/60.

But maybe I’m reading the chart wrong. Maybe.

Trade!!!!

You killed the blog ....
Again
- cabin

You don't keep score? Then, how do you measure yourself with other golfers?
....By height.

Trade!!!!
- rmiethaner

Adios, Justin Bailey.

I’m no wizard at reading these graphs but I’m pretty sure the “average” you're referring to on that graph is the average offensive zone entries for forwards. That’s the line depicted in the graph.

When I isolated for Dmen on Buffalo, Winnipeg, and Nashville, Risto is better than everyone other than Roman Josi, Dahlin, Dustin Byfuglien, and Matthias Ekholm.

So at least insofar as entries go, this chart says Risto is superior to Trouba, Morrissey, Yannick Weber, Ryan Ellis, PK Subban, and Tyler Myers.

The area where Dahlin exceeds forward average is in carry in percentage. He is far below forward average in Entries/60.

But maybe I’m reading the chart wrong. Maybe.



- Der Kaiser

Maybe I’m nuts but where do you see anything for forwards?

Adios, Justin Bailey.
- seedy

Dominoes