Look I'd like to get Muzzin as much as the next guy but he's not worth what the Kings fans are saying on here IMO.

As others have said, I'd rather a swap of 3C, and if needed add a sweetener to go younger (read as hungrier). I wish I watched more games of other teams so I'd have a few examples to throw out there.
- iworkatinitech

Kings fans didn't establish the value. LeBrun did.

Look I'd like to get Muzzin as much as the next guy but he's not worth what the Kings fans are saying on here IMO.

As others have said, I'd rather a swap of 3C, and if needed add a sweetener to go younger (read as hungrier). I wish I watched more games of other teams so I'd have a few examples to throw out there.
- iworkatinitech

He’s one of the few guys on the trade block that is NOT a rental. That’s why the price is steep. Top 4 Dman, with term, and with a great contract. Those don’t fall from trees. For a contender, that’s worth the asking price

I don’t think either of them are worth mortgaging the future for.
- Rinosaur

The Pens don't need to make that kind of deal. Personally, I think we should focus on adding younger legs. I'm getting kind of sick of this idea of needing the 3 stars on 3 different lines. Just because HBK worked 3 years ago doesn't mean you need to constantly try to replicate that.

Kings fans didn't establish the value. LeBrun did.
- tkecanuck341

I meant no ill will with that comment, was just using it for reference. Essentially my point was if what you are all saying his value is, then it exceeds what my perceived value of him would be.

Look I'd like to get Muzzin as much as the next guy but he's not worth what the Kings fans are saying on here IMO.

As others have said, I'd rather a swap of 3C, and if needed add a sweetener to go younger (read as hungrier). I wish I watched more games of other teams so I'd have a few examples to throw out there.
- iworkatinitech

Bingo. Don't add more old players to an aging roster.

I meant no ill will with that comment, was just using it for reference. Essentially my point was if what you are all saying his value is, then it exceeds what my perceived value of him would be.
- iworkatinitech

That's fair. Kings are going to listen to offers from all teams and will accept the best one. Carter's price will be a little lower since he essentially has a NTC due to the fact that he can retire if he doesn't like his trade destination and stick the Kings with hefty recapture penalties for the next several years.

A 1st and a B+ prospect is the asking price for Muzzin. A 2nd and a B+ prospect is the asking price for Carter. If you want/need them to retain salary, then the B+ prospect becomes an A prospect. Players like Oleksiak and Brassard are just cap dumps that don't add any value to the trade.

If those seem like unreasonable prices to pay from your perspective, then the Penguins should absolutely pass and look elsewhere and let other teams fight over Muzzin and Carter.

That's fair. Kings are going to listen to offers from all teams and will accept the best one. Carter's price will be a little lower since he essentially has a NTC due to the fact that he can retire if he doesn't like his trade destination and stick the Kings with hefty recapture penalties for the next several years.

A 1st and a B+ prospect is the asking price for Muzzin. A 2nd and a B+ prospect is the asking price for Carter. If you want/need them to retain salary, then the B+ prospect becomes an A prospect. Players like Oleksiak and Brassard are just cap dumps that don't add any value to the trade.

If those seem like unreasonable prices to pay from your perspective, then the Penguins should absolutely pass and look elsewhere and let other teams fight over Muzzin and Carter.
- tkecanuck341

Yeah, as others on here have said (as have I) my preference is to get younger and hungrier. I'd rather get a younger guy (3C) that hasn't won a cup and wants to (apparently not Brass' focus). I think an injection of more youth (akin to Jake G, Rust and Sheary coming up from W-B) would be my preference but as W-B is lacking in that category currently let's see who has something comparable elsewhere.

Edited to add:
Someone like Pulj from Vancouver would be my preference...if he were a center.

Lines at practice per Mackey,

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Sheahan-Malkin-Kessel
Pearson-Brassard-Simon
Blandisi-Cullen-Wilson

Dumoulin-Letang
Maatta-Riikola
Pettersson-Johnson

Lines at practice per Mackey,

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Sheahan-Malkin-Kessel
Pearson-Brassard-Simon
Blandisi-Cullen-Wilson

Dumoulin-Letang
Maatta-Riikola
Pettersson-Johnson
- Thorny87

Goddammit we need Hornqvist back.

Goddammit we need Hornqvist back.
- Victoro311

Apparently he switched to a regular jersey mid practice. Good bet he'll be in

Goddammit we need Hornqvist back.
- Victoro311

He flew to zona yesterday. You'd have to think he plans on playing soon.

Yeah, as others on here have said (as have I) my preference is to get younger and hungrier. I'd rather get a younger guy (3C) that hasn't won a cup and wants to (apparently not Brass' focus). I think an injection of more youth (akin to Jake G, Rust and Sheary coming up from W-B) would be my preference but as W-B is lacking in that category currently let's see who has something comparable elsewhere.

Edited to add:
Someone like Pulj from Vancouver would be my preference...if he were a center.
- iworkatinitech

Dzingel or Coyle would be my preference.

Lines at practice per Mackey,

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Sheahan-Malkin-Kessel
Pearson-Brassard-Simon
Blandisi-Cullen-Wilson

Dumoulin-Letang
Maatta-Riikola
Pettersson-Johnson
- Thorny87

Yeesh... Simon getting the demotion despite playing damn well over that stretch... because Brassard sucks ass.

But hey, maybe trying to up Sheahan's value a smidge before a possible trade.

Dzingel or Coyle would be my preference.
- madmike71

Yeah I'd probably take either of them. Problem with Dzingle is Ottawa probably won't take Brass back, unless they plan on flipping him again.

Yeesh... Simon getting the demotion despite playing damn well over that stretch... because Brassard sucks ass.

But hey, maybe trying to up Sheahan's value a smidge before a possible trade.
- Guile

Watch Brass will find his game with Simon and all will be well on the 3c front! Hey one can hope lol

Watch Brass will find his game with Simon and all will be well on the 3c front! Hey one can hope lol
- 668710

I won't be upset if that occurs... but if it doesn't, its punishing a good young player because our 3C is just trash here.

I won't be upset if that occurs... but if it doesn't, its punishing a good young player because our 3C is just trash here.
- Guile

Well our Star winger has had to deal with it haha it's time to at least get three lines going, and if the third line happens to work that would just be neat haha

I would go after offense and send a 4th to Detroit for Trevor Daly.

I would go after offense and send a 4th to Detroit for Trevor Daly.
- Grinder47

Ohhh you...

I’ll let others take this one

Yeah I'd probably take either of them. Problem with Dzingle is Ottawa probably won't take Brass back, unless they plan on flipping him again.
- 668710

Definitely will need to be two different deals.

The Pens basically loaded up the top 6 in the 2017 cup run for most games. The 3rd line with Bonino was anemic. Bones didn't even play the final 2 cup clinching games out with injury vs the Preds and the Pens didn't get scored on in either game. The point Im trying to make is your 3rd line doesnt necessarily have to produce at an elite clip for a team to be be successful.

I know people have these warm fuzzy memories of Bones, he scored a few memorable goals in the runs and HBK was huge in 2016 but he wasn't very good in the 2nd run. I'm glad the Pens arnt paying him 4+ a year.

Yeesh... Simon getting the demotion despite playing damn well over that stretch... because Brassard sucks ass.

But hey, maybe trying to up Sheahan's value a smidge before a possible trade.
- Guile

I actually think what this means is he let the 3rd line try something all practice but that Sheahan would be the odd man out unfortunately which is absolutely brutal if it happens

The Pens basically loaded up the top 6 in the 2017 cup run for most games. The 3rd line with Bonino was anemic. Bones didn't even play the final 2 cup clinching games out with injury vs the Preds and the Pens didn't get scored on in either game. The point Im trying to make is your 3rd line doesnt necessarily have to produce at an elite clip for a team to be be successful.

I know people have these warm fuzzy memories of Bones, he scored a few memorable goals in the runs and HBK was huge in 2016 but he wasn't very good in the 2nd run. I'm glad the Pens arnt paying him 4+ a year.
- MattStrat

I agree with you regarding Bones. Nobody today has mentioned the fact that Malkin and Kessel together has looked really bad for a huge chunk of this season and that’s why I want a good 3C coming back. I’m fine with Sheahan at 3C but he doesn’t mesh well with Phil either. Personally, I think the second line of Malkin with Pearson and Simon is fine except that Malkin needs to figure some stuff out. IF Carter is willing to come here, I’m willing to mortgage picks and our top prospects to get both him and Muzzin BUT that means that I’m also willing to trade Maatta and Hornqvist away for picks and prospects either this season or next

I agree with you regarding Bones. Nobody today has mentioned the fact that Malkin and Kessel together has looked really bad for a huge chunk of this season and that’s why I want a good 3C coming back. I’m fine with Sheahan at 3C but he doesn’t mesh well with Phil either. Personally, I think the second line of Malkin with Pearson and Simon is fine except that Malkin needs to figure some stuff out. IF Carter is willing to come here, I’m willing to mortgage picks and our top prospects to get both him and Muzzin BUT that means that I’m also willing to trade Maatta and Hornqvist away for picks and prospects either this season or next
- WSCTeton17

I think Carter would be willing to go to Pittsburgh for 2 reasons.

1. Gives him a realistic chance at another Cup in the next few seasons.

2. Gives a giant middle finger to the Flyers who traded him to Columbus.

I agree with you regarding Bones. Nobody today has mentioned the fact that Malkin and Kessel together has looked really bad for a huge chunk of this season and that’s why I want a good 3C coming back. I’m fine with Sheahan at 3C but he doesn’t mesh well with Phil either. Personally, I think the second line of Malkin with Pearson and Simon is fine except that Malkin needs to figure some stuff out. IF Carter is willing to come here, I’m willing to mortgage picks and our top prospects to get both him and Muzzin BUT that means that I’m also willing to trade Maatta and Hornqvist away for picks and prospects either this season or next
- WSCTeton17

Definitely hoping after our break Geno gets his poop together. That is the absolute main thing that needs to happen.