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MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jan 17 @ 7:46 PM ET
I agree with you regarding Bones. Nobody today has mentioned the fact that Malkin and Kessel together has looked really bad for a huge chunk of this season and that’s why I want a good 3C coming back. I’m fine with Sheahan at 3C but he doesn’t mesh well with Phil either. Personally, I think the second line of Malkin with Pearson and Simon is fine except that Malkin needs to figure some stuff out. IF Carter is willing to come here, I’m willing to mortgage picks and our top prospects to get both him and Muzzin BUT that means that I’m also willing to trade Maatta and Hornqvist away for picks and prospects either this season or next
- WSCTeton17


See, I seem to remember Phil and Sheahan starting looking pretty strong together on the 3rd then they traded for Brassard. I could be remembering wrong.

I like Maatta more than most around here but if he brought in Muzzin I'd be fine with that. Horny I'm not so sure I want to let go that soon. Maybe in a few more years. I just see how important he is when he's missing, how different they look. The lineup just isn't the same. In a few years though he's older and taking up 5+ mill of cap. Next year might be too soon for me to part with Horny.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jan 17 @ 7:49 PM ET
Definitely hoping after our break Geno gets his poop together. That is the absolute main thing that needs to happen.
- 668710


I really think both Geno and Brass are in their own heads.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jan 17 @ 7:53 PM ET
I think Carter would be willing to go to Pittsburgh for 2 reasons.

1. Gives him a realistic chance at another Cup in the next few seasons.

2. Gives a giant middle finger to the Flyers who traded him to Columbus.

- tkecanuck341

Nothing was better than Richards and Carter winning a cup together with the Kings, I think that was his middle finger moment.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jan 17 @ 7:54 PM ET
See, I seem to remember Phil and Sheahan starting looking pretty strong together on the 3rd then they traded for Brassard. I could be remembering wrong.

I like Maatta more than most around here but if he brought in Muzzin I'd be fine with that. Horny I'm not so sure I want to let go that soon. Maybe in a few more years. I just see how important he is when he's missing, how different they look. The lineup just isn't the same. In a few years though he's older and taking up 5+ mill of cap. Next year might be too soon for me to part with Horny.

- MattStrat

You are correct with the Phil/Sheahan line. Problem is the third guy was that Guentzel kid if I'm not mistaken.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jan 17 @ 7:57 PM ET
I really think both Geno and Brass are in their own heads.
- MattStrat

Yeah I would agree with that. We've been waiting and waiting for Brass and it probably won't happen and he'll get traded.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jan 17 @ 8:15 PM ET
See, I seem to remember Phil and Sheahan starting looking pretty strong together on the 3rd then they traded for Brassard. I could be remembering wrong.

I like Maatta more than most around here but if he brought in Muzzin I'd be fine with that. Horny I'm not so sure I want to let go that soon. Maybe in a few more years. I just see how important he is when he's missing, how different they look. The lineup just isn't the same. In a few years though he's older and taking up 5+ mill of cap. Next year might be too soon for me to part with Horny.

- MattStrat

I think you’re remembering wrong because the dominant 3rd line I remember I called the Horny-She-She line. Hornqvist, Sheahan, and Sheary and for whatever reason they were always buzzing
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jan 17 @ 8:15 PM ET
Nothing was better than Richards and Carter winning a cup together with the Kings, I think that was his middle finger moment.
- 668710

I agree. Now Carter is a family man and I think he wants to stay with them in LA
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jan 17 @ 8:16 PM ET
You are correct with the Phil/Sheahan line. Problem is the third guy was that Guentzel kid if I'm not mistaken.
- 668710

I remember this as well, but the Horny-She-She line was good too
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jan 17 @ 8:49 PM ET
I remember this as well, but the Horny-She-She line was good too
- WSCTeton17

Yeah it was, problem is we traded Sheary haha but they could try Simon.
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668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jan 17 @ 8:53 PM ET
If they do trade Brass in a package we could get a really good winger and go Sheahan as the 3c.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jan 17 @ 8:53 PM ET
Ohhh you...

I’ll let others take this one

- Rinosaur

Take it where?
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 17 @ 9:05 PM ET
I'd really much rather just ride out the defense and focus on a 3C. I know that you're against Carter but I really don't think he's a bad idea. Its tough when the main guy we're trying to trade is a 3C and we're trying to get a better 3C.
- Victoro311


I'm the opposite, I'd rather ride out the forwards and try and boost the D to get JJ off the (frank)ing ice.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jan 17 @ 9:17 PM ET
I'm the opposite, I'd rather ride out the forwards and try and boost the D to get JJ off the (frank)ing ice.
- j.boyd919

(frank)ing 5 year deal. I honestly wouldn't be that mad if it was 1 year. That's tradeable...maybe.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jan 17 @ 9:27 PM ET
I'm the opposite, I'd rather ride out the forwards and try and boost the D to get JJ off the (frank)ing ice.
- j.boyd919


Problem is they won't do that. Face it.... He'll be getting a jersey in the spring whether he deserves it or not.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jan 17 @ 9:31 PM ET
Brass should change his number to 16 freaking 19 is the Bennett curse lol
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jan 17 @ 9:38 PM ET
Yeah it was, problem is we traded Sheary haha but they could try Simon.
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- 668710

I like those first and third lines, but again I don’t see Kessel and Sheahan meshing sans Guentzel. Guentzel is obviously a great fit with Sid AND Malkin and Phil on the same line has been lousy. I really think Phil needs a new, playmaking center and that’s why I really like the idea of either Carter or Spezza centering Phil and Pearson while Simon and Hornqvist play with Malkin. Then maybe the 4th line is comprised of Wilson, ZAR, and Sheahan. A man can dream
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jan 17 @ 9:41 PM ET
I'm the opposite, I'd rather ride out the forwards and try and boost the D to get JJ off the (frank)ing ice.
- j.boyd919

He won’t be taken off the ice though. There’s no point trying make a move to make Johnson sit. He ain’t sitting.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jan 17 @ 9:41 PM ET
Brass should change his number to 16 freaking 19 is the Bennett curse lol
- 668710

You’re right. He is very Sutter-esqu
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jan 17 @ 9:52 PM ET
He won’t be taken off the ice though. There’s no point trying make a move to make Johnson sit. He ain’t sitting.
- Victoro311


I dunno Sully scratched Hunwick when it came down to it.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jan 17 @ 9:57 PM ET
I dunno Sully scratched Hunwick when it came down to it.
- j.boyd919

He seems to actually like Johnson, though. Hunwick was doghoused at some point.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jan 17 @ 9:57 PM ET
You’re right. He is very Sutter-esqu
- Victoro311

I just threw up in my mouth a bit
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jan 17 @ 10:00 PM ET
I dunno Sully scratched Hunwick when it came down to it.
- j.boyd919

I wish he would try and score as much as possible, if you're gonna be out of position anyways may as well do it trying to score lol
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Jan 17 @ 11:32 PM ET
I find it kind of weird that the guy who all of you have been ripping all year and isn't a real 3C is worth as much as some of you think he is. He's 31 one, and on a sharp decline. Trade him for anything and move on.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jan 18 @ 12:57 AM ET
I find it kind of weird that the guy who all of you have been ripping all year and isn't a real 3C is worth as much as some of you think he is. He's 31 one, and on a sharp decline. Trade him for anything and move on.
- Blackstrom2

You’re right, he’s 31. Doesn’t mean his career is done. It’s pretty clear that he just hasn’t been a good fit in Pitt. I think Brass for Spezza (salary retained) and a 3rd makes complete sense for both sides. I’m a fan of both teams and I think Brass could potentially be a 55 point 2C in Dallas and I think Spezza can finish strong and maybe have one really good year (next season) centering Phil on the 3rd line and playing PP2. He’s good on draws, has a history of producing, had a down year and has rebounded somewhat which I think can be grown upon while playing with say Pearson and Phil (leaving Sid’s line alone and playing Simon with Geno and Horny which looked promising before Horny went down). I don’t think it’s a slam dunk but I think it’s a low risk move that allows us to use our picks before the deadline or at the draft. I also think it’s fair to argue that this kind of deal could blow up but even if it does I think Sheahan is a good 3C and that Spezza is still good on the draw and would add value to PP2. I’m really excited to see what GMJR actually does.

And YES. I AM ON HYDROCODONE
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jan 18 @ 12:58 AM ET
I find it kind of weird that the guy who all of you have been ripping all year and isn't a real 3C is worth as much as some of you think he is. He's 31 one, and on a sharp decline. Trade him for anything and move on.
- Blackstrom2


Your teams wins one cup and you think you know it all, huh?
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