Not the ideal situation to add an extra year paying Weise, but like I said the team could do that out of respect for the player. Yes, he may not be good or fans may hate him, but I'm sure he is a good guy. Buying him out gives him at least one year of finding a new team to prove him self.
- Glak18

It's a business. I'd rather do a retained salary deal if possible. If not, AHL time.

Minnesota and Carolina make a trade...

James Tanner finds a way to bash the Flyers and praise the almighty Leafs at the same time. Classic Tanner.
- Glak18

Tanner is a clown. He's an embarrassment to this site. And that's saying A LOT.

It's a business. I'd rather do a retained salary deal if possible. If not, AHL time.
- MJL

If Weise was sent to the Phantoms, the team would save what? Approx 1m? So 1.3m is what would be against the cap this year and next year. So a buyout would add another year, but not really save them much more then that 1.3m. So retaining 40% or more really wouldn't make much sense for savings anyway.

So if no team would take him in trade for considerations with 1m retained then the only option would be "Hello LHV"

Flyers GM plans to deal or sign Simmonds by trade deadline


57m ago

Philadelphia Flyers general manager Chuck Fletcher is not going to let Wayne Simmonds leave for nothing.

"That won’t happen," Fletcher told Philly.com's Sam Carchidi. "The goal would be to either have him signed or moved by the trade deadline."

The veteran forward, who is expected to be dealt, is a pending unrestricted free agent at the end of the year.

Fletcher understands what Simmonds brings to the team, but knows he has to consider the financial impact.

"I have a tremendous amount of respect for Wayne Simmonds, but we have to look at our cap situation moving forward," Fletcher said. "(Simmonds) has been a warrior for this franchise and is still a heck of a hockey player."

The 30-year-old is in his eighth season with the Flyers and has tallied 202 goals and 373 points in 569 games with the franchise. This season, Simmonds ranks second on the Flyers with 15 goals and leads the team with 67 penalty minutes.


https://www.thescore.com/news/1700946
- Chris48

So simmonds will be gone woohoooo

Its been 18 games. That is plenty of time to find his game. If he had not sat out and had these stats through the first 18 games of the season people would be justifiably criticizing him. 1 goal and 2 assists through 18 games, ANY 18 games, by a player of Nylanders status is unacceptable.
- MBFlyerfan

Haha you are the judge on how long it should take a player to get up to speed? GTFO, he came back and everyone on his team as well as the other teams are in mid season form. JVR had an NHL training camp and a couple games, got hurt, came back and looked like trash for how long?

If Weise was sent to the Phantoms, the team would save what? Approx 1m? So 1.3m is what would be against the cap this year and next year. So a buyout would add another year, but not really save them much more then that 1.3m. So retaining 40% or more really wouldn't make much sense for savings anyway.

So if no team would take him in trade for considerations with 1m retained then the only option would be "Hello LHV"
- Glak18

If they bought him out, it would be a $1.16M reduced cap hit next year and a $583K cap penalty the following year.

Flyers GM plans to deal or sign Simmonds by trade deadline


57m ago

Philadelphia Flyers general manager Chuck Fletcher is not going to let Wayne Simmonds leave for nothing.

"That won’t happen," Fletcher told Philly.com's Sam Carchidi. "The goal would be to either have him signed or moved by the trade deadline."

The veteran forward, who is expected to be dealt, is a pending unrestricted free agent at the end of the year.

Fletcher understands what Simmonds brings to the team, but knows he has to consider the financial impact.

"I have a tremendous amount of respect for Wayne Simmonds, but we have to look at our cap situation moving forward," Fletcher said. "(Simmonds) has been a warrior for this franchise and is still a heck of a hockey player."

The 30-year-old is in his eighth season with the Flyers and has tallied 202 goals and 373 points in 569 games with the franchise. This season, Simmonds ranks second on the Flyers with 15 goals and leads the team with 67 penalty minutes.


https://www.thescore.com/news/1700946
- Chris48

That’s GM speak for he will be gone on or before 2/25.

Also, if Weise has been traded, this will be a day of pure unadulterated joy.

Haha you are the judge on how long it should take a player to get up to speed? GTFO, he came back and everyone on his team as well as the other teams are in mid season form. JVR had an NHL training camp and a couple games, got hurt, came back and looked like trash for how long?
- ClaudeFather

1 goal, and 2 assists.

THREE points in 18 games.

Don't talk to me about what he should be producing.

JVR had 12 points in his first 18 games back. Or 4 times as many.

And he wasn't playing with Austin Matthews, Mitch Marner, or John Taveres.

Puhleehz. Take you opinion somewhere else before you tell me to GTFO

1 goal, and 2 assists.

THREE points in 18 games.

Don't talk to me about what he should be producing.

JVR had 12 points in his first 18 games back. Or 4 times as many.

And he wasn't playing with Austin Matthews, Mitch Marner, or John Taveres.

Puhleehz. Take you opinion somewhere else before you tell me to GTFO
- MBFlyerfan

Did you watch the kid last night? Looked pretty good to me. How many games does it take to get acclimated to NHL play when you didn't have a training camp and joined the team 30 games in, since you seem to know the specific number?

Hopefully Weise will be moved over the break, and when the Flyers return after the ASG Fletcher will have promoted his first skater prospect. The Phantoms play six times between now and then.

http://www.phantomshockey.com/events/

I think NAK is the obvious choice out of the forwards, but if it was Vecchione that would be OK. Like NAK he won't be waiver exempt in 19-20, so it would be nice to see if there's anything there at the NHL level before that point.

Hopefully Weise will be moved over the break, and when the Flyers return after the ASG Fletcher will have promoted his first skater prospect. The Phantoms play six times between now and then.

http://www.phantomshockey.com/events/

I think NAK is the obvious choice out of the forwards, but if it was Vecchione that would be OK. Like NAK he won't be waiver exempt in 19-20, so it would be nice to see if there's anything there at the NHL level before that point.
- Feanor

Give somebody a shot, sick of looking at the Weise/Lehteras.

If they bought him out, it would be a $1.16M reduced cap hit next year and a $583K cap penalty the following year.
- jmatchett383

Peaking my interest....

Did you watch the kid last night? Looked pretty good to me. How many games does it take to get acclimated to NHL play when you didn't have a training camp and joined the team 30 games in, since you seem to know the specific number?
- ClaudeFather

LOL you have no power here. How many games should he get? Half a season? A full season? Why wasn't he ready to go knowing he had no training camp?

For some reason you are riding Nylanders balls and that's ok, but with the team mates he has he should have accidentally scored more points than THREE over 18 games regardless of his training camp or when he joined the team.

Bottom line is he held out and got paid way more than he is worth and that means he gets no leeway, he gets no acclimation. He should have been scoring right out of the gate because that is what he is being paid 10 million dollars to do. Not ease himself in to the lineup like some rookie called up from juniors.

Puhleehz

Wait so what you are saying is a guy that holds out, basically saying I am a better player so I should get more money, should be given more time than everyone else to get his game back? That is a justified excuse for you?

I mean it's already been a month and a half, what is reasonable 2 months? 3 months? What exactly did Nylander do when he was sitting out? Ok his timing is off for actually game situations, but the same can be said about any player sitting out for an amount of time. Shouldn't Flyer fans give Lehtera at least 2 months to get his timing back after being out for so long?

A player holds out for a huge pay day, they got 1 maybe 2 games max then they better turn on those jets and prove why they just got paid.
- Glak18

You are joking right? Back to back 60+ point seasons is not deserving of what he got? Couture gets 8 mill for same numbers. Nylander was practicing the whole time but theres a difference between practicing and playing in a game. Not to mention the added pressure of living up to the contract. Like I said, he needs a couple more weeks not months

Did you watch the kid last night? Looked pretty good to me. How many games does it take to get acclimated to NHL play when you didn't have a training camp and joined the team 30 games in, since you seem to know the specific number?
- ClaudeFather

We just need a bigger sample size for this kid

LOL you have no power here. How many games should he get? Half a season? A full season? Why wasn't he ready to go knowing he had no training camp?

For some reason you are riding Nylanders balls and that's ok, but with the team mates he has he should have accidentally scored more points than THREE over 18 games regardless of his training camp or when he joined the team.

Bottom line is he held out and got paid way more than he is worth and that means he gets no leeway, he gets no acclimation. He should have been scoring right out of the gate because that is what he is being paid 10 million dollars to do. Not ease himself in to the lineup like some rookie called up from juniors.

Puhleehz
- MBFlyerfan

He's only three points ahead of jmatchette lol

It's a business. I'd rather do a retained salary deal if possible. If not, AHL time.
- MJL

AHL/retain salary...

Ahl/retain salary

pretty much a wash with a 2 mil cap hit

LOL you have no power here. How many games should he get? Half a season? A full season? Why wasn't he ready to go knowing he had no training camp?

For some reason you are riding Nylanders balls and that's ok, but with the team mates he has he should have accidentally scored more points than THREE over 18 games regardless of his training camp or when he joined the team.

Bottom line is he held out and got paid way more than he is worth and that means he gets no leeway, he gets no acclimation. He should have been scoring right out of the gate because that is what he is being paid 10 million dollars to do. Not ease himself in to the lineup like some rookie called up from juniors.

Puhleehz
- MBFlyerfan

Paid way more than he's worth . You must have never watched Nylander play huh. He will be fine and close to a point per game player soon enough. The Leaf's management knew it would take some time, do they wish he was caught back up sooner? Probably, but they understand what's going on here, as does most of the hockey world. Except you.

We just need a bigger sample size for this kid
- Scoob

That's what we need brotha.

You are joking right? Back to back 60+ point seasons is not deserving of what he got? Couture gets 8 mill for same numbers. Nylander was practicing the whole time but theres a difference between practicing and playing in a game. Not to mention the added pressure of living up to the contract. Like I said, he needs a couple more weeks not months
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

If you've watched the last couple games you can see he is close. Some people just can't comprehend training on your own and then jumping into a team that's been going for 30 games. You can't replicate NHL game speed, pressure, noise, chemistry, etc.

LOL you have no power here. How many games should he get? Half a season? A full season? Why wasn't he ready to go knowing he had no training camp?

For some reason you are riding Nylanders balls and that's ok, but with the team mates he has he should have accidentally scored more points than THREE over 18 games regardless of his training camp or when he joined the team.

Bottom line is he held out and got paid way more than he is worth and that means he gets no leeway, he gets no acclimation. He should have been scoring right out of the gate because that is what he is being paid 10 million dollars to do. Not ease himself in to the lineup like some rookie called up from juniors.

Puhleehz
- MBFlyerfan

You are over valuing the effect of who he plays with. Look at Giroux and Kone. Hes playing with a 100 point player and has little to show for it. Secondly he hasnt been with matthews and marner. Hes mostly been with Kadri. Kapanen has been top RW on the team. Nylander has been moved up recently because he getting close to where he needs to be

The Weise move is a strange one especially following the JJ and Jonesy “private” comments. He doesn’t seem to be a locker room issue so why this now? He seems much more the 14th forward guy than a buyout candidate. I guess they will try to add him to a deadline deal with the plus that he can go straight to a AHL team because he cleared waivers?

You are joking right? Back to back 60+ point seasons is not deserving of what he got? Couture gets 8 mill for same numbers. Nylander was practicing the whole time but theres a difference between practicing and playing in a game. Not to mention the added pressure of living up to the contract. Like I said, he needs a couple more weeks not months
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

1) Ok so that means he just needs to get in-game timing down, for a back to back 60 point scorer that's a couple games

2) It's ALREADY been a month and a half...a couple more weeks? Sooooo 2 months to get back to being a 60 point guy. Wait how many months is preseason?

Wow, absolute WOW. Imagine if every NHL player needed 2 months to get their game timing and adjust to pressure to begin every season...

"I have a tremendous amount of respect for Wayne Simmonds, but we have to look at our cap situation moving forward,” said Fletcher, who said Simmonds “has been a warrior for this franchise and is still a heck of a hockey player.”

Fletcher won’t allow Simmonds to reach free agency without getting something in return – like the Islanders did last year with John Tavares.

“That won’t happen,” Fletcher said. “The goal would be to either have him signed or moved by the trade deadline.”

If Weise was sent to the Phantoms, the team would save what? Approx 1m? So 1.3m is what would be against the cap this year and next year. So a buyout would add another year, but not really save them much more then that 1.3m. So retaining 40% or more really wouldn't make much sense for savings anyway.

So if no team would take him in trade for considerations with 1m retained then the only option would be "Hello LHV"
- Glak18

It's not the difference between trading him with retained salary and demoting him to the AHL. It's the difference between demoting him and buying him out. No buyouts.