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ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 18 @ 2:02 PM ET
1) Ok so that means he just needs to get in-game timing down, for a back to back 60 point scorer that's a couple games

2) It's ALREADY been a month and a half...a couple more weeks? Sooooo 2 months to get back to being a 60 point guy. Wait how many months is preseason?

Wow, absolute WOW. Imagine if every NHL player needed 2 months to get their game timing and adjust to pressure to begin every season...

- Glak18

Lmao, a back to back 60 point season NHL player only needs two games to get acclimated????
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 18 @ 2:02 PM ET
He's only three points ahead of jmatchette lol
- Scoob


Give him 3 million for coming in 2nd!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 18 @ 2:03 PM ET
AHL/retain salary...

Ahl/retain salary

pretty much a wash with a 2 mil cap hit

- wcorvette



The difference between AHL/retain salary and a buyout is not a wash.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 18 @ 2:05 PM ET
Lmao, a back to back 60 point season NHL player only needs two games to get acclimated????
- ClaudeFather


A back to back 60 point player needs a month...



P.S. I even knocked off a couple weeks since it's been a month and a half, plus the other couple weeks I was told he needs....imagine if I said 2 months how silly would that be
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 18 @ 2:09 PM ET
A back to back 60 point player needs a month...



P.S. I even knocked off a couple weeks since it's been a month and a half, plus the other couple weeks I was told he needs....imagine if I said 2 months how silly would that be

- Glak18

I mean it took JVR just about two months to finally look good again after injury, what's so hard to comprehend? Not the exact same scenario but still.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 18 @ 2:10 PM ET
Imagine if the Flyers signed Mark Stone in the offseason as a UFA.

Then told you he will only have 3 points the first month and a half of the season.

Finally said give him a couple more weeks to get adjusted.

How would Flyer fans react?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 18 @ 2:11 PM ET
Give him 3 million for coming in 2nd!
- Glak18

Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 18 @ 2:11 PM ET
I mean it took JVR just about two months to finally look good again after injury, what's so hard to comprehend? Not the exact same scenario but still.
- ClaudeFather


Exactly....JvR.....well technically the sit down with the coach is what got him going, not healing.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 18 @ 2:11 PM ET
Imagine if the Flyers signed Mark Stone in the offseason as a UFA.

Then told you he will only have 3 points the first month and a half of the season.

Finally said give him a couple more weeks to get adjusted.

How would Flyer fans react?

- Glak18

Yea that's the exact same scenario... you really are something.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jan 18 @ 2:11 PM ET
1) Ok so that means he just needs to get in-game timing down, for a back to back 60 point scorer that's a couple games

2) It's ALREADY been a month and a half...a couple more weeks? Sooooo 2 months to get back to being a 60 point guy. Wait how many months is preseason?

Wow, absolute WOW. Imagine if every NHL player needed 2 months to get their game timing and adjust to pressure to begin every season...

- Glak18


Its not the same thing omg seriously. At preseason all players are at the same level. As the preseason finishes they are back in game shape. Half way through the season the players hit another level. Nylander has practiced. Thats it. In one month he is at the level everyone else was half a season ago. Intensity gets way higher half way through the season. He will produce again and there will be a time where teams start to wear out and he eill be a guy who will be tearing it up because he is fresh
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 18 @ 2:12 PM ET
I mean it took JVR just about two months to finally look good again after injury, what's so hard to comprehend? Not the exact same scenario but still.
- ClaudeFather



It's not hard to comprehend that Nylander has had more than enough time to get his game back and anything else is just an excuse. He wanted to play hardball and act like a prima donna. Now it's past time to start producing.

A top player might play how many games in pre season action before the season starts? That's also not hard to comprehend.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 18 @ 2:12 PM ET
Exactly....JvR.....well technically the sit down with the coach is what got him going, not healing.
- Glak18

Yea, took JVR approximately two months and a stern talking. Maybe Babcock should flex his lips, such a great coach,
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 18 @ 2:14 PM ET
It's not hard to comprehend that Nylander has had more than enough time to get his game back and anything else is just an excuse. He wanted to play hardball and act like a prima donna. Now it's past time to start producing.

A top player might play how many games in pre season action before the season starts? That's also not hard to comprehend.

- MJL

Umm a top player might play in 6+ pre season games, has been skating with NHL players for over a month before the season officially starts, and also is getting himself acclimated like every other player. Way different then jumping into the season 30 games in, can you comprehend that?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 18 @ 2:15 PM ET
Exactly....JvR.....well technically the sit down with the coach is what got him going, not healing.
- Glak18


Did JvR play against Boston? I don't recall seeing him.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 18 @ 2:17 PM ET

Did any of this Nylander talk involve discussion of him being on the trade block?

wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jan 18 @ 2:20 PM ET
The difference between AHL/retain salary and a buyout is not a wash.
- MJL



I didn't mention a buyout. I said there wasn't a big difference in trading Weise and retaining salary vs. sending him down to the AHL
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 18 @ 2:22 PM ET
Did JvR play against Boston? I don't recall seeing him.
- Scoob


He actually didn't have a terrible game, obviously he didn't register a point and had a couple defensive breakdowns, but there were a couple plays I noticed giving effort. One play specifically where he was along the boards, the puck popped out and he ACTUALLY reached to pushed towards a defenseman to transition out.

So since his talk with Gordon, 4 games, he has scored in 3 of the first 4, but the first one of the 4 he had a rough first half with turnovers.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 18 @ 2:26 PM ET
It's not hard to comprehend that Nylander has had more than enough time to get his game back and anything else is just an excuse. He wanted to play hardball and act like a prima donna. Now it's past time to start producing.

A top player might play how many games in pre season action before the season starts? That's also not hard to comprehend.

- MJL


I realized why there are differences in opinion on multiple things the last couple days with certain people.

I guarantee the age groups between the two outlooks are way different.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 18 @ 2:27 PM ET
I realized why there are differences in opinion on multiple things the last couple days with certain people.

I guarantee the age groups between the two outlooks are way different.

- Glak18

Millennials !!!!!
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 18 @ 2:34 PM ET
Millennials !!!!!
- ClaudeFather


You got it. The spoiled mentality. Stats are EASY to look at and the incredibly lame excuses to justify poor performance.

I worked with a kid who kept messing up his projects end of last year, his reasoning? He was tired...seriously he said he was tired and that's why he couldn't get things done. You get paid to do your work, not to just show up. He also complained a lot how working 40 hours a week was exhausting. Well he should be well rested now that he has no job.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 18 @ 2:35 PM ET
I realized why there are differences in opinion on multiple things the last couple days with certain people.

I guarantee the age groups between the two outlooks are way different.

- Glak18


I fit into all age groups.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 18 @ 2:36 PM ET
You got it. The spoiled mentality. Stats are EASY to look at and the incredibly lame excuses to justify poor performance.

I worked with a kid who kept messing up his projects end of last year, his reasoning? He was tired...seriously he said he was tired and that's why he couldn't get things done. You get paid to do your work, not to just show up. He also complained a lot how working 40 hours a week was exhausting. Well he should be well rested now that he has no job.

- Glak18


Yep....this all started with millenials

Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jan 18 @ 2:37 PM ET
"I have a tremendous amount of respect for Wayne Simmonds, but we have to look at our cap situation moving forward,” said Fletcher, who said Simmonds “has been a warrior for this franchise and is still a heck of a hockey player.”

Fletcher won’t allow Simmonds to reach free agency without getting something in return – like the Islanders did last year with John Tavares.

“That won’t happen,” Fletcher said. “The goal would be to either have him signed or moved by the trade deadline.”

- nastyflyergirl


I'm still ok with him staying if length and money is feasible.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 18 @ 2:43 PM ET
Yep....this all started with millenials


- jmatchett383


Nope, not at all. All generations have had these issues, but the easier life becomes with technology advancements, the more expectations get lowered to fit into what is considered standard.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 18 @ 2:45 PM ET
Umm a top player might play in 6+ pre season games, has been skating with NHL players for over a month before the season officially starts, and also is getting himself acclimated like every other player. Way different then jumping into the season 30 games in, can you comprehend that?
- ClaudeFather



I agree, the level of play in the regular season is much higher than in pre season which means he should get up to speed quicker, not slower. Can you comprehend that? How about comprehending that he has played 18 games and has scored 1 goal? Not complicated. He acted like an entitled douche bag and held out and got the big money. Now it's time to produce. No BS excuses.
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