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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 25 @ 1:55 PM ET
Ok I will put them under protected for now.

Imagine if the Flyers signed or traded for a goalie with a NTC...that would automatically expose Hart.

- Glak18


I'm sure that's been taken into account.


I think.





I hope.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 25 @ 1:59 PM ET
Pick 7F / 3D OR 8 skaters AND 1 goaltender

- Glak18[FORWARDS]

[X] Giroux (NMC)*
[ ] Couturier
[ ] Patrick
[ ] Konecny
[ ] Voracek
[ ] van Riemsdyk
[ ] Laughton
[ ] Lindblom
[ ] Rubtsov
[ ] Vorobyov
[ ] Aube-Kubel
[ ] Laberge
[ ] Twarynski
[ ] Kase
[ ] Bunnaman
[ ] Bailey

[DEFENSE]
[ ] Gostisbehere
[ ] Provorov
[ ] Sanheim
[ ] Hagg
[ ] Myers
[ ] Morin
[ ] Graves
[ ] Friedman
[ ] Wilcox

[GOALIES]
[ ] Hart
[ ] Stolarz

[PROTECTED]
Frost
Sushko
Strome
Zemula
ALL UNSIGNED

Unrestricted Free Agents (Prior to expansion)
[ ] Lehtera
[ ] Simmonds
[ ] Raffl
[ ] Varone
[ ] Knight
[ ] Vecchione
[ ] Goulbourne
[ ] Bardreau
[ ] Carey
[ ] Weise
[ ] MacDonald
[ ] Gudas
[ ] Folin
[ ] Brennan
[ ] Elliott
[ ] Neuvirth
[ ] Lyon

[ ] Any other UFAs signed prior to Expansion Draft


If you do 7-3-1 the below is likely exposed:
[ ] van Riemsdyk
[ ] Laughton
[ ] Vorobyov
[ ] Aube-Kubel
[ ] Laberge
[ ] Twarynski
[ ] Kase
[ ] Bunnaman
[ ] Bailey
[ ] Hagg
[ ] Myers
[ ] Morin
[ ] Graves
[ ] Friedman
[ ] Wilcox
[ ] Stolarz

If you do 8-1

2 of the below:
[ ] Hagg
[ ] Myers
[ ] Morin


[ ] Voracek
[ ] van Riemsdyk
[ ] Laughton
[ ] Lindblom
[ ] Rubtsov
[ ] Vorobyov
[ ] Aube-Kubel
[ ] Laberge
[ ] Twarynski
[ ] Kase
[ ] Bunnaman
[ ] Bailey
[ ] Graves
[ ] Friedman
[ ] Wilcox
[ ] Stolarz

Obviously the better option would be to go 7-3-1, but your likely going to lose either JVR, Morin, Hagg, or Myers. This doesnt include anyone that we pick up in UFA or trades.

Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 25 @ 2:00 PM ET
I'm sure that's been taken into account.


I think.





I hope.

- jmatchett383


Yeah I didn't think about it earlier, so unless Fletcher craps the bed the possibility of signing someone like Bob would want a NMC would be almost zilch. Which I think is good.

What I am curious about is whether the Flyers sign a big name UFA this year or next, that will automatically knock someone off the list.
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Jan 25 @ 2:00 PM ET
Man our goalie prospects are deeeeeep. Loving it
- Just5


Excellent bait to trade from a position of strength too, for prospects close in age.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 25 @ 2:02 PM ET
Excellent bait to trade from a position of strength too, for prospects close in age.
- DrMidnite


Unfortunately Stolarz and Lyon aren't worth a lot in trade value and sandstrom, Errson, and Ustimenko are unproven so the better value is to wait and see from them.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 25 @ 2:03 PM ET
Excellent bait to trade from a position of strength too, for prospects close in age.
- DrMidnite


Only a matter of time until Merrick Madsen wins 8 consecutive Vezina's.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 25 @ 2:04 PM ET
So you use your gut feeling...got it.
- Glak18


That is obviously not all of it, as I have personally observed Lyon and reviewed stats of him. In the end, it like most players projection is based on your educated guess and gut feeling.

Cheap shot inflammatory post with no substance- Glak18
Current issue keeping-it-real talk re: unpopular, underrated Flyers prospect- me

youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 25 @ 2:06 PM ET
No-one fed the troll today, and its been fairly civil....
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 25 @ 2:09 PM ET


Obviously the better option would be to go 7-3-1, but your likely going to lose either JVR, Morin, Hagg, or Myers. This doesnt include anyone that we pick up in UFA or trades.

- youarewrong


The key to everything is how well the young defensemen progress the next 2 years. If most of the key ones work out (Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, Morin) then the Flyers would probably shop Ghost. The next year and a half will be very telling to see who will actually be the core of the team in the future.
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Jan 25 @ 2:09 PM ET
What would it take to get Doughty, I would LOVE to get, then re-sign him.

Obviously it would be prohibitive. A Jake+Ghost+Maybe our pick next year. They get 3 for 1.

But we would still have : Giroux, Provorov, Coutourier, Patrick, Myers, Doughty, JVR, Hart, Konecny.....

Great below 30 talent minus Giroux.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 25 @ 2:20 PM ET
JFC, we need a (frank)ing game to talk about!!
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 25 @ 2:21 PM ET
That is obviously not all of it, as I have personally observed Lyon and reviewed stats of him. In the end, it like most players projection is based on your educated guess and gut feeling.

Cheap shot inflammatory post with no substance- Glak18
Current issue keeping-it-real talk re: unpopular, underrated Flyers prospect- me


- NC Flyers Fan


So you failed to read what you actually wrote then?

Lyon isn’t flashy or big...but those attributes aren’t required to be a good NHL goaltender. Those attributes are what casual observers key off of to make their judgments. I simply think there is a lot more to it than both fans and some media outlets seem to think. More than that, most people whether they are conscious of it or not, are influenced by the public opinion rather than forming their own judgment based on as much actual observations and fact as is available.
- NC Flyers Fan


Size is only used for casual observers? You mean size doesn't play a part in if or when a player gets drafted? Forgive me if I am wrong, were you the person a little bit ago asked everyone about Lyon Vs Stolarz opinion then proceeded to look up very old scouting reports on both players to post? Was that you?

Public opinion, in this case I would agree since Lyon has mentioned more in the media for being the Phantom's current starter. Judgement based on observation, yes in this case you are observing the player's strengths and weaknesses in actual game situations...not reading old scouting reports to form an opinion.

As for cheapshot, that has more to do with you than me. So if you are not using player attributions, technique observations then your judgement is based off what? Gut feeling is the only thing left.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 25 @ 2:32 PM ET
JFC, we need a (frank)ing game to talk about!!
- BiggE


Or a top 10 (insert genre of music here) albums
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 25 @ 2:34 PM ET
Or a top 10 (insert genre of music here) albums
- Scoob


Why not something new...movies, tv shows, books, painters, etc.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 25 @ 2:36 PM ET
Why not something new...movies, tv shows, books, painters, etc.
- Glak18


okay
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 25 @ 2:36 PM ET
okay
- Scoob


You pick one

Anything but Anime...
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 25 @ 2:38 PM ET

Size is only used for casual observers? You mean size doesn't play a part in if or when a player gets drafted? Forgive me if I am wrong, were you the person a little bit ago asked everyone about Lyon Vs Stolarz opinion then proceeded to look up very old scouting reports on both players to post? Was that you?

Public opinion, in this case I would agree since Lyon has mentioned more in the media for being the Phantom's current starter. Judgement based on observation, yes in this case you are observing the player's strengths and weaknesses in actual game situations...not reading old scouting reports to form an opinion.

As for cheapshot, that has more to do with you than me. So if you are not using player attributions, technique observations then your judgement is based off what? Gut feeling is the only thing left.

- Glak18


No, it is you who didn’t read what I wrote. You will notice if you look without blinders that the word “only” was not there. Of course, size is part of a goaltender evaluation. I have never said that it wasn’t. There are many NHL goaltenders of Lyon’s size that have had great careers. Sometimes a direct comparisons between two prospects isn’t the most accurate way to evaluation one of them.

As I said, my opinion is based on my personal observation of Lyon (viewed in Charlotte, and on TV from some AHL games and all his NHL games) and stats. I have looked to see what scouting opinions are as well.

How about you?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 25 @ 2:38 PM ET
You pick one

Anything but Anime...

- Glak18


lol dang
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jan 25 @ 2:42 PM ET
You pick one

Anything but Anime...

- Glak18

WHAT!?! This is an outrage. I love anime.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 25 @ 2:42 PM ET
You pick one

Anything but Anime...

- Glak18


Best current TV shows not named Game of Thrones....
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 25 @ 2:43 PM ET
Or a top 10 (insert genre of music here) albums
- Scoob

Ok, top 10 fave prog rock albums, and away we go!

Rush-Moving Pictures
Pink Floyd-Animals
Yes-Close to the Edge
Rush-Clockwork Angels
Genesis-A Trick of the Tail
Pink Floyd-The Dark Side of the Moon
Rush-A Farewell to Kings
Yes-Fragile
Emerson, Lake & Palmer-Brain Salad Surgery
Pink Floyd-Wish You Were Here
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jan 25 @ 2:44 PM ET
Best current TV shows not named Game of Thrones....
- youarewrong

Altered Carbon...
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 25 @ 2:45 PM ET
Best current TV shows not named Game of Thrones....
- youarewrong


How The Universe Works
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 25 @ 2:47 PM ET
Best current TV shows not named Game of Thrones....
- youarewrong

That’s another good one. For me, in no particular order, it’s:

Shameless
Ray Donovan
The Walking Dead
The Orville
The Man in the High Castle
Sneaky Pete
Archer
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 25 @ 2:49 PM ET
That’s another good one. For me, in no particular order, it’s:

Shameless
Ray Donovan
The Walking Dead
The Orville
The Man in the High Castle
Sneaky Pete
Archer

- BiggE


I'm a big TWD fan but I actually like Fear TWD more.
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