That also depends on the team the Flyers trade with for assets. I'm sure the other team will want discussions first to find out what his plans are and if he gives them the cold shoulder about committing then that might lower value on what people think he will bring back. Some teams may not even want to re-sign him and just want him for the playoff push. All depends on the team and the conditions of the trade, which most will have something revolving around him re-signing.

Then you have the issues with the backdoor deal of trading then re-signing him later. Deals like that can fall apart very easily and one side is stuck.

Now what if the Flyers and Simmonds want the re-sign in the offseason. Back to square one negotiating term and all it takes is one other team to be interesting for the Flyers to get stuck with a 4-5 year term to re-sign him.

The best course is make the decision now, either re-sign or trade and move on.
- Glak18

Not gonna lie, if they don't move some core pieces or make a big splash in the summer via UFA or trade then I'm probably going to be checked out on this team until it finally happens.

That also depends on the team the Flyers trade with for assets. I'm sure the other team will want discussions first to find out what his plans are and if he gives them the cold shoulder about committing then that might lower value on what people think he will bring back. Some teams may not even want to re-sign him and just want him for the playoff push. All depends on the team and the conditions of the trade, which most will have something revolving around him re-signing.

Then you have the issues with the backdoor deal of trading then re-signing him later. Deals like that can fall apart very easily and one side is stuck.

Now what if the Flyers and Simmonds want the re-sign in the offseason. Back to square one negotiating term and all it takes is one other team to be interested for the Flyers to get stuck with a 4-5 year term to re-sign him.

The best course is make the decision now, either re-sign or trade and move on.
- Glak18

I think the right move, no matter what is to move him and then come back to him in UFA. If someone goes outrageous to get him in free agency then ok.

Here is kind of my feeling on Dave Scott.

I know what he is saying but is it actually going to work out that way. i feel his "we will be a cap team and put best team on ice" is more him trying to bring out some Snider bluster to keep fans interested moving forward.

I know people like to assume that Fletcher was kind of brought in to be a yes man but I don't see too smart hockey guys like Fletcher and Holmgren putting this team back into cap hell or moving every prospect in bad trades.
- J35Bacher

Lots of inaccuracies here. I haven't read one person imply or insinuate that Fletcher was brought into be a yes man. Secondly, Holmgren didn't move every prospect nor has any other GM so that repeated hyperbole doesn't fly.

What does being a cap team mean? By the way, being a cap team is not a bad thing in the right circumstances.

How is that not fair? He has two UFAs I consider to have some value, he doesn't have to get just picks and prospects for them. Plus he has an abundance of assets that will not all be Flyers. Doesn't mean he has to go to either extreme, but he has plenty to work with to improve this team.

Again this doesn't mean going after a big name and giving up half the farm to acquire them, there are many improvements in the middle. This is the time teams improve, maybe not at first, but you get the right players and it makes the offseason that much easier.
- Glak18

A trade of Simmonds is not likely to bring back a return that makes the team better. More likely to be some combination of picks, prospects an or younger players. What kind of teams are making deals at the deadline? teams that are looking to give up future assets to get a piece to win now. The deadline for the Flyers is more likely to weaken the team in the short run than it is to strengthen them.

I think the right move, no matter what is to move him and then come back to him in UFA. If someone goes outrageous to get him in free agency then ok.
- J35Bacher

I honestly think Simmonds wants to re-sign more than the Flyers want to. I doubt he wants to move his family and start over. He probably considers this home now and wants to finish his career here. Business and loyalty do not mix.

If he wants to re-sign in the offseason then it will be the same deal he is being offered now, nothing changes, very short term. Having Simmonds here next year doesn't scare me, it's any year after that.

Not gonna lie, if they don't move some core pieces or make a big splash in the summer via UFA or trade then I'm probably going to be checked out on this team until it finally happens.
- hereticpride

They made a big splash in free agency last season.

A trade of Simmonds is not likely to bring back a return that makes the team better. More likely to be some combination of picks, prospects an or younger players. What kind of teams are making deals at the deadline? teams that are looking to give up future assets to get a piece to win now. The deadline for the Flyers is more likely to weaken the team in the short run than it is to strengthen them.
- MJL

You mean even less then being near the bottom?

It would be a mismanagement not to move him for those pieces even if your weaker for the last leg of the season. As we all have come to grips with, the goal is to be improved next year.

You mean even less then being near the bottom?

It would be a mismanagement not to move him for those pieces even if your weaker for the last leg of the season. As we all have come to grips with, the goal is to be improved next year.
- J35Bacher

Why can't re-signing Simmonds lead to the team to be improved next season? He's going to score close to 30 again.

If Fletch made that trade or that type then yes we should worry. We need to give him a chance and trade some prospects if necessary. Folks on here don't want to part with this one and that one but that's what we built this prospect pool for. If there is a smart trade to be made using a couple prospects pull the trigger. Only guy i'd like to view as "safe" outside of the NHL at this point would be Frost, everyone else can be moved.
- ClaudeFather

To me, Hart and Provorov are the only 2 untouchables for me (barring a player like McDavid coming back).

To me, Hart and Provorov are the only 2 untouchables for me (barring a player like McDavid coming back).
- jmatchett383

Not sure if you saw (you may be referencing this based on untouchable) but from Bill’s twitter:

“Fletcher said he, ideally, would like to be both a buyer and a seller. They won't look to add any rentals this year. Said Giroux is untouchable and a handful of others "wouldn't make much sense" to trade but he wouldn't say absolutely no if the right deal is to be made.”

I’m guessing Hart, Provy, Patrick and a few other youngsters fall under the “wouldn’t make much sense” category.

Holmgren is my favorite GM in the last 20 years.
- SuperSchennBros

Mine was Russ Farwell.

Edit: I'm not kidding.

Not sure if you saw (you may be referencing this based on untouchable) but from Bill’s twitter:

“Fletcher said he, ideally, would like to be both a buyer and a seller. They won't look to add any rentals this year. Said Giroux is untouchable and a handful of others "wouldn't make much sense" to trade but he wouldn't say absolutely no if the right deal is to be made.”

I’m guessing Hart, Provy, Patrick and a few other youngsters fall under the “wouldn’t make much sense” category.
- arichardson22

I didn't see that but, yeah, I agree.

If it's going to make the team better in both the present and future, then I say do the deal. If it's a short-term bandaid fix, no thanks.

Why can't re-signing Simmonds lead to the team to be improved next season? He's going to score close to 30 again.
- MJL

It could.

But I don't think his contract is one I would like.

I think there needs to be change somewhere in the core. That's just my opinion. if you want to resign Simmonds I am ok but then i would look to move Voracek at the draft.

This core has been together how long?

To me, Hart and Provorov are the only 2 untouchables for me (barring a player like McDavid coming back).
- jmatchett383

Couturier would be a tough move because of the contract and the stuff he does i don't think they have really anyone who can fill that right now

It could.

But I don't think his contract is one I would like.

I think there needs to be change somewhere in the core. That's just my opinion. if you want to resign Simmonds I am ok but then i would look to move Voracek at the draft.

This core has been together how long?
- J35Bacher

I still say they should agree to an extension, trade him for the best return, and then sign to the agreed-upon extension number on 7/1.

Why can't re-signing Simmonds lead to the team to be improved next season? He's going to score close to 30 again.
- MJL

And those 30 goals have really made them a really good team...

Couturier would be a tough move because of the contract and the stuff he does i don't think they have really anyone who can fill that right now
- J35Bacher

Right. But I could be swayed to move him if Barkov's coming back. Not that it would happen.

So this was on the CBJ blob....

Suggested trade:
Ryan Murray + Conditional Pick (see 1 below) for Simmons + Conditional Pick (see 2 below)
Condition 1: If Simmonds signs with CBJ, Philly gets a 4th Round Pick
Condition 2: If Simmonds does not sign with CBJ, CBJ gets a 3rd Round Pick

Where do I need to deliver Simmonds?

It could.

But I don't think his contract is one I would like.

I think there needs to be change somewhere in the core. That's just my opinion. if you want to resign Simmonds I am ok but then i would look to move Voracek at the draft.

This core has been together how long?
- J35Bacher

I'm okay with the team tweaking the lineup. Say for example using the funds they would use for Simmonds to sign a different player. Or making a trade of Voracek, getting quality assets for him and then going after a better player on the open market. That tweaks the lineup rather than pushing the team towards being a cap team.

And those 30 goals have really made them a really good team...
- Glak18

Would getting a different 30 goal player make them a good team? By that notion having Giroux hasn't made them a really good team either.

So this was on the CBJ blob....

Suggested trade:
Murray + Conditional Pick (see 1 below) for Simmons + Conditional Pick (see 2 below)
Condition 1: If Simmonds signs with CBJ, Philly gets a 4th Round Pick
Condition 2: If Simmonds does not sign with CBJ, CBJ gets a 3rd Round Pick

Where do I need to deliver Simmonds?
- youarewrong

Sign me up.

I'm okay with the team tweaking the lineup. Say for example using the funds they would use for Simmonds to sign a different player. Or making a trade of Voracek, getting quality assets for him and then going after a better player on the open market. That tweaks the lineup rather than pushing the team towards being a cap team.
- MJL

I agree on this.

Say they can get Stone from Ottawa and get him signed long term. Then at the draft i would maybe move Voracek to fill other areas and some picks.

That would be a way to tweak the roster but not really use any extra money.

Would getting a different 30 goal player make them a good team? By that notion having Giroux hasn't made them a really good team either.
- MJL

Neat logic.

Does 30 goals make the team better defensively or fix the PK...hell it hasn't even fixed the PP. Although if someone snaps their fingers and tell everyone to execute those 30 goals will be huge.

Would getting a different 30 goal player make them a good team? By that notion having Giroux hasn't made them a really good team either.
- MJL

Different players can bring different things to the ice and have identical numbers. IMO what made Simmonds very good wasn't his goal scoring, it was the fact he could score while playing a "tough" game.... Hits, trash talks, fights... all of it. I don't see the "tough" in his game anymore.

- jmatchett383