(frank) IT! CRAPPO FOR KAKKO!

If we keep the Sharks pick maybe we're lucky enough to have another Thompson 3 years from now
- mattmoulson

YAY!!! Then three years after that he will be a good 3rd line penalty killer

SO we are just ignoring the two other first round picks they have where the Sabres can both get Schenn now and a Schenn later, like you say?

SO who is keeping the window short, because right now the Sabres are not even close, next year marginal improvement, still not even close.
So three years out we have all the prospects ready to come up, and maybe make a difference?
- ImThatGuy

And it took Schenn 5 years to become a 20goal scorer,
and even longer to develop into the good 2C he is today

Meanwhile,
Ppl are acting like whoever we draft in the mid-late 1st will be helping us in 2 years

Mittelstadt was a great prospect,
and he’s not helping us 2 years later

100% agreed.

No point in trading for expensive 28/29 year olds.
- SabreWest

Agreed this team should never try to get better.

never try to upgrade with actual NHL talent.

Even when this team is gunning for the cup, if Botteril trades a first round pick like Dubas just did, we should all go down to Key Bank and murder him.

First round picks are F(_*^ gold!!!
First round pick > Chance at cup.

so youre willing to wait another 10 huh??
- RippedFuel

Not sure how you get that. You want to go all in this year at the expense of the next 10 years. They aren't there yet, not even close.

And it took Schenn 5 years to become a 20goal scorer,
and even longer to develop into the good 2C he is today

Meanwhile,
Ppl are acting like whoever we draft in the mid-late 1st will be helping us in 2 years

Mittelstadt was a great prospect,
and he’s not helping us 2 years later
- jdfitz77

lets not even talk about Nylander….or Dal Colle....or Dylan Strome

And it took Schenn 5 years to become a 20goal scorer,
and even longer to develop into the good 2C he is today

Meanwhile,
Ppl are acting like whoever we draft in the mid-late 1st will be helping us in 2 years

Mittelstadt was a great prospect,
and he’s not helping us 2 years later
- jdfitz77

There is no guarantee Middlestadt gets there either.

Then provide an example of a player who would cost a total insignificant draft pick between 20-27 straight up?

Or are we adding pieces to further hurt our depth?

What really good player that isn’t late twenties is only going to cost a late-first ?
- sbroads24

Well, Skinner cost less then that, so....

If Philly comes in and says give me 1st, 3rd and one of Nylander/Guhle/Thompson for Couts

I do it all day every day.

Not sure how you get that. You want to go all in this year at the expense of the next 10 years. They aren't there yet, not even close.
- Lunaion

no, I don't want to go "all in"....I would like to take assets that have an unknown value in the future, non lottery picks...and trade them for available KNOWN assets that upgrade glaring holes our team now. We have a lot of the needed requrements satisfied right now...TRUE #1C TRUE #1D. Quality 2-4 D. #1 wingers that would work well with the #1 C (53 and 23).

We DESPERATELY NEED 2nd line forwards and I would not like to waste anymore year of the true 1C we tanked 2-3 years to get...in the hopes that we MIGHT hit a bullseye with a blindfold on when picking 22nd with the sharks pick

If Philly comes in and says give me 1st, 3rd and one of Nylander/Guhle/Thompson for Couts

I do it all day every day.
- ImThatGuy

me too.....and Id even up that farther for Duschene

[quote=sbroads24]

Ppl sure are acting like ALL the 1sts will work out

Otherwise,
there shouldn’t be such an objection to trading for a player we already KNOW is good...
instead of just HOPING the guy we choose will develop into a good player in 3-5 YEARS,
if ever

If Philly comes in and says give me 1st, 3rd and one of Nylander/Guhle/Thompson for Couts

I do it all day every day.
- ImThatGuy

Thats because this makes sense. No one really thinks we should trade ALL 4 first rounders except for a few lunatics. if a competent 2nd line center is available and part of the package for him is one of our first rounders, it a no brainer.

no, I don't want to go "all in"....I would like to take assets that have an unknown value in the future, non lottery picks...and trade them for available KNOWN assets that upgrade glaring holes our team now. We have a lot of the needed requrements satisfied right now...TRUE #1C TRUE #1D. Quality 2-4 D. #1 wingers that would work well with the #1 C (53 and 23).

We DESPERATELY NEED 2nd line forwards and I would not like to waste anymore year of the true 1C we tanked 2-3 years to get...in the hopes that we MIGHT hit a bullseye with a blindfold on when picking 22nd with the sharks pick
- RippedFuel

You've suggested trading all 3 1st's. If that's not going all in to you, not sure what to say.

You can't turn this team into a contender with deadline moves. It's not that close.

If Philly comes in and says give me 1st, 3rd and one of Nylander/Guhle/Thompson for Couts

I do it all day every day.
- ImThatGuy

We can’t do that
The 1st will end up being Pasternak
The 3rd will be Brayden Point
And Nylander/Guhle/Thompson are future
All-Stars

me too.....and Id even up that farther for Duschene
- RippedFuel

Duchene shouldnt cost as much being a pending UFA.

I don't think you would have to give up more.

Im not looking to turn it into a cup contender...Im looking to turn it AWAY from another 11th place finish in the East...which is coming.

hey...we disagree....youre ok with not making the playoffs for 10 years on the pipe dream that 3 15-25 draft picks are going to step right in and lead us to the cup...

Id take a different approach

and again..Id absolutely trade those 3 picks for a resigned reasonable Duchene.

Eichel (22-28) and Duchene (28-34) over Eichel and 3 18-24 2nd level prospects....yep...

Duchene shouldnt cost as much being a pending UFA.

I don't think you would have to give up more.
- ImThatGuy

I wouldn't trade for Duchene as a rental....when I speak of him, its with a new contract for him

[quote=jdfitz77]
The point I’m making isn’t that all these picks will turn out, it’s that we need to maximize our chances of hitting by using them.

We absolutely NEED to fill the cupboards with cheap skill in the next few years, otherwise we will be trading away the same guys people want to trade for.

Tampa, WPG, NSH etc ALL have homegrown picks playing for cheap and playing big roles because of drafting and developing.

It’s not that trading the 24th pick for Brayden Schenn wouldn’t or can’t be a win for us, it’s that what we need is more than just a Brayden Schenn

We can’t do that
The 1st will end up being Pasternak
The 3rd will be Brayden Point
And Nylander/Guhle/Thompson are future
All-Stars
- jdfitz77

Tom Brady was a 6th

[quote=sbroads24]

we need a 2nd line center....Brayden Schenn is a 2nd line Center....

the 22nd second pick in the 2019 draft MIGHT be a second line center...in 2023...

hmmmmm...sounds pretty easy...

Honestly if Duchene hits UFA.

I offer him a 7*9 deal to be the 2nd line center.

[quote=sbroads24]


we need a second line winger...Mark Stone is a 2nd line winger....

the 18th pick in the 2019 draft MIGHT be a 2nd line winger...in 2023...

Seems pretty easy to me...

[quote=RippedFuel]
We need a lot of things

The point I’m making isn’t that all these picks will turn out, it’s that we need to maximize our chances of hitting by using them.

We absolutely NEED to fill the cupboards with cheap skill in the next few years, otherwise we will be trading away the same guys people want to trade for.

Tampa, WPG, NSH etc ALL have homegrown picks playing for cheap and playing big roles because of drafting and developing.

It’s not that trading the 24th pick for Brayden Schenn wouldn’t or can’t be a win for us, it’s that what we need is more than just a Brayden Schenn

- sbroads24

Well who is saying we should ONLY trade for Schenn & do NOTHING ELSE?

Of course there’s more work to be done

But trading for Coyle doesn’t “move the needle” as you like to say?

And while we do need to draft & develop,
we shouldn’t be sitting on our hands wasting 3-5 years of Eichel & Dahlin to figure out which picks will work out & which won’t