Didnt they just trade their first round pick and two prospects for a player that is there for two years.
- ImThatGuy

Yes that’s not what the post was about.

And again.....The Leafs are contenders NOW.

We aren’t.

Ask me if I’d trade our 2021 pick when we’re 2nd in the division

I was all aboard the Duchene bandwagon until i did some digging.

Stay far far away from him.

Only a 60+ point player twice in his career, in contract years.

Contract year and lighting it up (Cough Stafford cough)

Who ever signs Duch to that 9MM a year contract is going to regret it.

Didnt they just trade their first round pick and two prospects for a player that is there for two years.
- ImThatGuy

Basically traded Gardiner a first and two prospects for Muzzin.

Yes that’s not what the post was about.

And again.....The Leafs are contenders NOW.

We aren’t.

Ask me if I’d trade our 2021 pick when we’re 2nd in the division
- sbroads24

SO again, they are doing both wanting to acquire young talent cost controlled through the draft and improve their roster at the same time to solidify their team.

Weird its like several of us have been saying this is what the Sabres should do.

Minus the Leafs dont have a 1st rd pick after trading their own. and I assume will trade more picks, so it kind of contradicts building the system.

Just a guess but I say we trade Beaulieau, Pommer and possibly Scandella and/or Slobotka at the deadline.
- mhp

Careful there! And not suggesting you were guilty, because you generally are non-critical of other posters...but...
A month - 6 weeks ago I posted that JBotts should be selling those 4 and possibly more as my strategy during this Year of Transition and was roundly ridiculed for suggesting anyone would want Pommer and that Botts would NEVER trade his good friend in Pommer.
Funny how that has now changed.

to all the nay-sayers

SO again, they are doing both wanting to acquire young talent cost controlled through the draft and improve their roster at the same time to solidify their team.

Weird its like several of us have been saying this is what the Sabres should do.

Minus the Leafs dont have a 1st rd pick after trading their own. and I assume will trade more picks, so it kind of contradicts building the system.
- ImThatGuy

They. Are. A. Contender. Now.

When did they trade their 1st 2-3 years ago besides Andersen and that was the last pick in round one, and the trade has been criticized (And it was a pick they got for Kessel)

Marner
Matthews
Kadri
Nylander
Rielly

Literally their entire core besides Tavares who they got for free were first round picks of their own

SO again, they are doing both wanting to acquire young talent cost controlled through the draft and improve their roster at the same time to solidify their team.

Weird its like several of us have been saying this is what the Sabres should do.

Minus the Leafs dont have a 1st rd pick after trading their own. and I assume will trade more picks, so it kind of contradicts building the system.
- ImThatGuy

They're doing all three. They also signed Marleau and Tavares as FA, and traded first and second rounders to get Anderson.

It's true that the Leafs believe they are closer to the cup than we think we are. But it isn't because of their low end guys - it's in spite of them. The Leafs believe they are closer to the Cup because they have a broader spectrum of high end talent, acquired in a variety of ways over the years.

SO again, they are doing both wanting to acquire young talent cost controlled through the draft and improve their roster at the same time to solidify their team.

Weird its like several of us have been saying this is what the Sabres should do.

Minus the Leafs dont have a 1st rd pick after trading their own. and I assume will trade more picks, so it kind of contradicts building the system.
- ImThatGuy

Yea when you draft Kadri, Reilly, Matthews, Marner, Johnsson, Brown, Hyman, Dermott, Nylander and luckily sign Tavares, and you are a solidified cup contender, moving a first rounder and two prospects to have a better chance to win this year and next year makes sense. The Leafs know they have to win a cup this year or within the next couple years or they’ll have to work some magic to fill out depth roles as they have nothing coming up through the ranks. The Sabres are easily 5 players away from being the Leafs. So keep the picks and draft and once we are on a cup contender level 2 years from now than you can trade the first to put you over the top.

Careful there! And not suggesting you were guilty, because you generally are non-critical of other posters...but...
A month - 6 weeks ago I posted that JBotts should be selling those 4 and possibly more as my strategy during this Year of Transition and was roundly ridiculed for suggesting anyone would want Pommer and that Botts would NEVER trade his good friend in Pommer.
Funny how that has now changed.

to all the nay-sayers
- IonSabres

Good job Ion.

They. Are. A. Contender. Now.

When did they trade their 1st 2-3 years ago besides Andersen and that was the last pick in round one, and the trade has been criticized (And it was a pick they got for Kessel)

Marner
Matthews
Kadri
Nylander
Rielly

Literally their entire core besides Tavares who they got for free were first round picks of their own
- sbroads24

Beat me to it. We moved first rounders too early once before and we traded both of the players we acquired for them last year.

They. Are. A. Contender. Now.

When did they trade their 1st 2-3 years ago besides Andersen and that was the last pick in round one, and the trade has been criticized (And it was a pick they got for Kessel)

Marner
Matthews
Kadri
Nylander
Rielly

Literally their entire core besides Tavares who they got for free were first round picks of their own
- sbroads24

It's a good thing the Sabres have three first round picks this year.

Why would a team ever trade a first round pick, they are guaranteed to get the above.

They're doing all three. They also signed Marleau and Tavares as FA, and traded first and second rounders to get Anderson.

It's true that the Leafs believe they are closer to the cup than we think we are. But it isn't because of their low end guys - it's in spite of them. The Leafs believe they are closer to the Cup because they have a broader spectrum of high end talent, acquired in a variety of ways over the years.
- Der Kaiser

EDIT: I'm not suggesting we should be using all the picks in trades all the time. But prudent use of picks as currency is an effective way of building a team.

They're doing all three. They also signed Marleau and Tavares as FA, and traded first and second rounders to get Anderson.

It's true that the Leafs believe they are closer to the cup than we think we are. But it isn't because of their low end guys - it's in spite of them. The Leafs believe they are closer to the Cup because they have a broader spectrum of high end talent, acquired in a variety of ways over the years.
- Der Kaiser

The Sabres traded 3 future prospects for Skinner.

They are doing both as well

This team needs speed and skill, not size and grit.

The NHL is moving away from that, IF you are faster than them you are going to wear them down throughout the game.

Get more speed.
- ImThatGuy

It isn't either or, neither nor though.
Both are required.
Playoffs are completelg different games where the physicality get turned up 5x.
Washington is a prime example and they intimidated a physically weaker team in The Lightning, especially Stamkos and Kucherov in the last 2 - 3 games of that series to become virtual no-shows.

Beat me to it. We moved first rounders too early once before and we traded both of the players we acquired for them last year.
- Pegullaville

Jesus Christ.

Just because Tim Murray was a (frank)ing idiot does not mean Botteril is going to do the same.

It isn't either or, neither nor though.
Both are required.
Playoffs are completelg different games where the physicality get turned up 5x.
Washington is a prime example and they intimidated a physically weaker team in The Lightning, especially Stamkos and Kucherov in the last 2 - 3 games of that series to become virtual no-shows.
- IonSabres

3rd and 4th lines maybe, but look at Vegas, they are the counterpoint, they just out skated every team and those big physical guys were left in the dust.

They had some grit, but it was 4th line guys.

Heading to the game tonight, hoping Kane and his cuzzo loaded up on the booger sugar last night.

4-2 Swords

Jesus Christ.

Just because Tim Murray was a (frank)ing idiot does not mean Botteril is going to do the same.
- ImThatGuy

The type of player you’d get back for the SJ pick is not a guy who’s going to be a meaningful contributor for years to come.

Unless you are adding another 2-3 pieces on top of it.

Skinner is an outlier. He chose to come here and put Carolina in a bad spot.

I’d rather go for home runs than add a mediocre player who probably costs a good cap hit for the 27-30th pick

They're doing all three. They also signed Marleau and Tavares as FA, and traded first and second rounders to get Anderson.

It's true that the Leafs believe they are closer to the cup than we think we are. But it isn't because of their low end guys - it's in spite of them. The Leafs believe they are closer to the Cup because they have a broader spectrum of high end talent, acquired in a variety of ways over the years.
- Der Kaiser

So the Leafs are a couple years ahead then, are in fact contenders now when they traded their 1st.
Sabres are not contenders to be trading away a bevy of young assets. Judiciously sign a few FA's to get there...surely...then, when closer they too can sell off futures for the present push.

Jesus Christ.

Just because Tim Murray was a (frank)ing idiot does not mean Botteril is going to do the same.
- ImThatGuy

I’m still waiting to see what team is going to trade us a 23 year old stud for our first rounder. Homie mentioned Kempe yesterday and I like the idea of him but I think we could get him for Nylander, Guhle and a 2nd.

The type of player you’d get back for the SJ pick is not a guy who’s going to be a meaningful contributor for years to come.

Unless you are adding another 2-3 pieces on top of it.

Skinner is an outlier. He chose to come here and put Carolina in a bad spot.

I’d rather go for home runs than add a mediocre player who probably costs a good cap hit for the 27-30th pick
- sbroads24

I think we just became best friends.

I think we just became best friends.
- Pegullaville

There is no place for that here. Keep it moving.

The type of player you’d get back for the SJ pick is not a guy who’s going to be a meaningful contributor for years to come.

Unless you are adding another 2-3 pieces on top of it.

Skinner is an outlier. He chose to come here and put Carolina in a bad spot.

I’d rather go for home runs than add a mediocre player who probably costs a good cap hit for the 27-30th pick
- sbroads24

70% chance that pick plays less than 50 games in the NHL and amounts to nothing.

Use it on a team that needs to clear cap space. (Tampa, Toronto)

People act like I am talking about trading that pick for Bobby Freaking Ryan.

Beat me to it. We moved first rounders too early once before and we traded both of the players we acquired for them last year.
- Pegullaville

The Sabres are in a different position now. Assuming they re-sign Skinner, they have him, Eichel, Dahlin and Reinhart in place. Add in Mitts and Ullmark if you want them for this.

When Murray went coocoo for cocoa puffs and traded for Kane, ROR and Lehner, we had Eichel and Reinhart. The Sabres are in a better position to add a player to help them, similar to what Pittsburgh did with fat man Phil

I’m still waiting to see what team is going to trade us a 23 year old stud for our first rounder. Homie mentioned Kempe yesterday and I like the idea of him but I think we could get him for Nylander, Guhle and a 2nd.
- Pegullaville

So you'd rather trade three assets, two of which are going to see playing time next year. (1st rd, and 2 2nds)

rather than a 27 pick.

This makes zero sense.