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- Der Kaiser

Do you really think a team is going to trade a 2nd for pommer? Even a 3rd?

Although it's a pipe-dream, I would love Zibanejad from rangers as 2C.

If the right player comes along, absolutely.

IE)
Brayden Schenn
Cedir Paquette
Brayden Point
JT MIller
Ryan Nugent Hopkins

Or a young(25 and under) under contract 2nd line center.
- ImThatGuy

Who wouldn't trade the 27th for any of those guys though.
Do you really believe Tampa would trade Point for the 27th?
Me neither.

To your point, for the 27th you are getting a B/B+ prospect back.
Certainly not a guy on track to put up 90pts

ROR goes to STL and all of the sudden there is an article that the Blues may have turned on their captain.

Sounds weird.
- ImThatGuy

Link? Or source so that I can Google this?

Link? Or source so that I can Google this?
- Angler

https://bleedinblue.com/2...alex-pietrangelo-problem/

If the Blues fall apart when Pietrangelo returns, we have a strong indication the team has turned on him. Right or wrong, that could end up being his legacy. Hopefully it all works out for all parties involved and he can just join the turn around. If not, it might be curtains for all involved.

Do you really think a team is going to trade a 2nd for pommer? Even a 3rd?
- Boss34

A 3rd is reasonable IMO.
Reliable, 2-way player, won't hurt you one bit, has proven he can play up and down the lineup for short period of time, yes on the 1st line for what 10 games?
He isn't the missing link like Skinner, he is a depth player to fill in anywhere when an injury occurs.
Their is gold value in that for a 3rd

You do realize the chance at the 27th OA pick has about a 20% chance (And that may be high) to become even a fringe NHLer.
- ImThatGuy

The 27th overall pick has a 62.5% chance to play at least 100 NHL games. 26th overall has a 75% chance and 25% chance of being top 6 or top 4.
No need to make up stats to make a point.

Who wouldn't trade the 27th for any of those guys though.
Do you really believe Tampa would trade Point for the 27th?
Me neither.

To your point, for the 27th you are getting a B/B+ prospect back.
Certainly not a guy on track to put up 90pts
- IonSabres

Again, teams that have 0 cap space get desperate to make moves.

You probably wont get Point, but Miller, Johnson, Paquette are all guys that can and may need to be moved to fit Point into their roster.

The 27th overall pick has a 62.5% chance to play at least 100 NHL games. 26th overall has a 75% chance and 25% chance of being top 6 or top 4.
No need to make up stats to make a point.
- adambuffalo

4th line or worse per TSN article per draft pick. Your 100 games is faulty. they may play 100 games, but are making little to no contribution.

27 - 62%
28 - 75%
29 - 79%
30 - 75%

See Girgensons, Grigorenko.

both over 100 GP, but little to no contribution.

The 27th overall pick has a 62.5% chance to play at least 100 NHL games. 26th overall has a 75% chance and 25% chance of being top 6 or top 4.
No need to make up stats to make a point.
- adambuffalo

16% chance of being top 6 or top 4

62% chance of being 4th line or worse


https://www.tsn.ca/statis...draft-pick-value-1.786131

A 3rd is reasonable IMO.
Reliable, 2-way player, won't hurt you one bit, has proven he can play up and down the lineup for short period of time, yes on the 1st line for what 10 games?
He isn't the missing link like Skinner, he is a depth player to fill in anywhere when an injury occurs.
Their is gold value in that for a 3rd
- IonSabres

I agree, but I'm a pommer fan.

Seems like people talk out of both sides of their mouth.

Pommer-should be scratched. He hasn't done anything

Pommer - is worth a 2nd or 3rd if we retain salary

Cant be both....
He's either good in my opinion or no team would want him?

Again, teams that have 0 cap space get desperate to make moves.

You probably wont get Point, but Miller, Johnson, Paquette are all guys that can and may need to be moved to fit Point into their roster.
- ImThatGuy

I follow the Bolts pretty closely, those guys are highly likely not getting moved.
Callahan, Coburn, Girardi, maybe, maybe Strahlman are far more likely IMO.
Point is going to cash in major league and they will move those above / let contract expire before they let him go.
To get Strahlman this year be prepared to cough up 2 1sts, maybe more.

I agree, but I'm a pommer fan.

Seems like people talk out of both sides of their mouth.

Pommer-should be scratched. He hasn't done anything

Pommer - is worth a 2nd or 3rd if we retain salary

Cant be both....
He's either good in my opinion or no team would want him?
- Boss34

If he gets traded, I think it'll be for a token pick (5th, 6th or 7th) as a favor to him. If he wants to stay, he will

4th line or worse per TSN article per draft pick. Your 100 games is faulty. they may play 100 games, but are making little to no contribution.

27 - 62%
28 - 75%
29 - 79%
30 - 75%

See Girgensons, Grigorenko.

both over 100 GP, but little to no contribution.
- ImThatGuy

Aren't you making the point no GM in the world is trading a top six, probably a top 9 player for the 27OA? Maybe as a throw-in or for a severly overpaid, aging 3rd liner.

0 cap space.
- ImThatGuy

Which is what we will have if we go down this path again.

I’m all for adding a player.

But it has to be the right guy.

A Max Domi or Drouin type who’s 20-22 years old.

Not a 29 year old Brayden Schenn.

Not that I wouldn’t like Schenn, but we need to add players that match 9,26,23,53’s window.

Although it's a pipe-dream, I would love Zibanejad from rangers as 2C.
- Sabre_Tooth

If he gets traded, I think it'll be for a token pick (5th, 6th or 7th) as a favor to him. If he wants to stay, he will
- jcragcrumple

Not that I agree, but that makes more sense then a 2nd or 3rd for pommer.

Why cant the Sabres expect pommer to help lead this team to the playoffs, if other teams are so eager for him?

Especially with our secondary scoring issues.

I heard a strange trade rumor:

Nick foligno possibly to buffalo.

2 plus years left on his 5.5 million $ contract.

He would have to waive though.....

I follow the Bolts pretty closely, those guys are highly likely not getting moved.
Callahan, Coburn, Girardi, maybe, maybe Strahlman are far more likely IMO.
Point is going to cash in major league and they will move those above / let contract expire before they let him go.
To get Strahlman this year be prepared to cough up 2 1sts, maybe more.
- IonSabres

Tampa is going for it, they are not going to trade Pending UFA, especially on defense, they are looking to bring in more defense.

Callahan is = Okposo. no team is going to want him, plus he has a full NMC.


Tampa is at 80MM next year already with 4 dmen signed and 10 forwards.

they are going to have to move people out that they dont want to just to stay within the cap, without signing Point, or any other RFA, UFA

Between Paquette and Point, you are looking at an additional 11MM a year, minimum.

I agree, but I'm a pommer fan.

Seems like people talk out of both sides of their mouth.

Pommer-should be scratched. He hasn't done anything

Pommer - is worth a 2nd or 3rd if we retain salary

Cant be both....
He's either good in my opinion or no team would want him?
- Boss34

It can be both, and he is a perfect example based on oposite situations...
He should be scratched on a young team in their Year of Transition to allow valuable experience to be gained for a younger player...that is precisely what this year should be...hence why many are so frustrated with Phil (one reason anyway).
He can be a depth player as an insurance policy for a contender...he can play on your 1st line for 3- 4 games if a top line player has a short term injury. That insurance is valuable.

Not that I agree, but that makes more sense then a 2nd or 3rd for pommer.

Why cant the Sabres expect pommer to help lead this team to the playoffs, if other teams are so eager for him?

Especially with our secondary scoring issues.
- Boss34

Pommer is not going to lead, he is going to be depth.
Pominville is an expensive 3/4 line guy.

Sabres will have to hold celery to move him, IMO.

I heard a strange trade rumor:

Nick foligno possibly to buffalo.

2 plus years left on his 5.5 million $ contract.

He would have to waive though.....
- Boss34

Please, no. Best years are well behind him.

Not that I agree, but that makes more sense then a 2nd or 3rd for pommer.

Why cant the Sabres expect pommer to help lead this team to the playoffs, if other teams are so eager for him?

Especially with our secondary scoring issues.
- Boss34

He is a major contributor to our secondary scoring issues. He has what, 8 goals with Eichel and 2 without? If we do make the playoffs, it would be good to have him, but he's being used in the right role now. A depth guy who is in and out of the lineup

Please, no. Best years are well behind him.
- Powerslave

He was never that good to begin with.

Had one good year, and shocking it was a contract year.

Only year he put up above 50 points.

Every other year he has been a 30-40 point guy.

Tampa is going for it, they are not going to trade Pending UFA, especially on defense, they are looking to bring in more defense.

Callahan is = Okposo. no team is going to want him, plus he has a full NMC.


Tampa is at 80MM next year already with 4 dmen signed and 10 forwards.

they are going to have to move people out that they dont want to just to stay within the cap, without signing Point, or any other RFA, UFA

Between Paquette and Point, you are looking at an additional 11MM a year, minimum.
- ImThatGuy

According to Capfriendly, they are at $73 million (not $80}, with 16 players signed (not 14), and Bettman is projecting the cap to rise to $83 million