So I think this is something I've been too lazy for... so lets have others do it for me


What are realistic trade targets for JJ? As in... what are other team's JJ type contracted players and would we consider swapping trash for trash?
- Guile

I would have considered giving you Victor Rask for him, but we got Nino out of that instead somehow.

So I think this is something I've been too lazy for... so lets have others do it for me


What are realistic trade targets for JJ? As in... what are other team's JJ type contracted players and would we consider swapping trash for trash?
- Guile

Off the top of my head. Alzner, Russell, Seabrook, Phaneuf.

Letang 44 mins. Dumo 12 mins. Pettersson 12 mins. Ruhwedel 10 mins. Schultz 1 min.
- Feds91Stammer

couldn't just say yes?

couldn't just say yes?
- Guile

Context is important.

I would have considered giving you Victor Rask for him, but we got Nino out of that instead somehow.
- BINGO!

Guess I should have excluded goalies... extending DeSmith locked us up pretty good in that regard. Unless a trade package including him or Murray... but I am not in the mood for that type of mental exercise right now.

Off the top of my head. Alzner, Russell, Seabrook, Phaneuf.
- Feds91Stammer

Alrighty... I'll go check their contracts and then likely tell you no to them all.

edit: didn't Alzner get sent to the AHL after clearing waivers?

Guess I should have excluded goalies... extending DeSmith locked us up pretty good in that regard. Unless a trade package including him or Murray... but I am not in the mood for that type of mental exercise right now.
- Guile

Rask is a centre?

Rask is a centre?
- BINGO!

my bad, I saw Rask and thought the goalie... 100% didn't even look at your team's context

I'm starting to wonder how this staff really does treat its players. After reading that article on Brass, now this one on Sheahan:

https://www.post-gazette....ange/stories/201902060160

Looking at those two and thinking about how Sprong is a different looking player in Anaheim it gets me curious on if there's an issue with the either the coaching staff or organization that really seems to stifle players.

I'm not trying to start a Sprong argument per-se or trying to suggest he's now this world-beating offensive juggernaut, but he certainly plays with more confidence and it's visible.

Arguing with myself as I write this, I do see Brass maybe being a bit of a baby and clearly should have known his situation would have changed accepting a move to the Pens, it just still sounds like there's some issue with how they handle players' psyche.

Dear Lord... (frank) all those options... JJ looks like a dream compared to those 4


Guess I could humor Russel due to less years and not a huge cap increase. But Oilers might have a non moron GM now.


edit: (frank) it... I'll go for that as a better of two evils.

I'm starting to wonder how this staff really does treat its players. After reading that article on Brass, now this one on Sheahan:

https://www.post-gazette....ange/stories/201902060160

Looking at those two and thinking about how Sprong is a different looking player in Anaheim it gets me curious on if there's an issue with the either the coaching staff or organization that really seems to stifle players.

I'm not trying to start a Sprong argument per-se or trying to suggest he's now this world-beating offensive juggernaut, but he certainly plays with more confidence and it's visible.

Arguing with myself as I write this, I do see Brass maybe being a bit of a baby and clearly should have known his situation would have changed accepting a move to the Pens, it just still sounds like there's some issue with how they handle players' psyche.
- Rinosaur

Yeah Sprong has 9G for ANA so far and his total pts are about the same as Brassard for the season and games played. You can't help but wonder what happened with him. Also, I wasnt a fan of DP, but Id take him as a bottom pairing Dman vs JJ any day of the week when you consider how cheap he is vs JJ.

I'm starting to wonder how this staff really does treat its players. After reading that article on Brass, now this one on Sheahan:

https://www.post-gazette....ange/stories/201902060160

Looking at those two and thinking about how Sprong is a different looking player in Anaheim it gets me curious on if there's an issue with the either the coaching staff or organization that really seems to stifle players.

I'm not trying to start a Sprong argument per-se or trying to suggest he's now this world-beating offensive juggernaut, but he certainly plays with more confidence and it's visible.

Arguing with myself as I write this, I do see Brass maybe being a bit of a baby and clearly should have known his situation would have changed accepting a move to the Pens, it just still sounds like there's some issue with how they handle players' psyche.
- Rinosaur

F them both and their frail heads and confidence. Man up, grab your nut sacks and play.

I liked what Sheahan brought to the ice and wished he'd been used more appropriately but off it he can fly to F.

F them both and their frail heads and confidence. Man up, grab your nut sacks and play.

I liked what Sheahan brought to the ice and wished he'd been used more appropriately but off it he can fly to F.
- MattStrat

Dude I don’t know. I get that for Brassard. He obviously had unrealistic expectations about what being a 3C was and it seemed like he could have put more effort into accepting the role, but I 100% get what Sheahan is saying here. Brassard was behind two all world players. Sheahan lost his job to a guy who absolutely sucked because the boss loves the other guy. Wouldn’t you feel super frustrated and, more than that, down, if your boss showed favoritism and gave all the good projects to a dude you know you’re better than?

These guys are the best in the world at their job. Even the (frank)ing plugs who don’t really belong in the NHL are in the top percentile of hockey players world wide. Yet there’s this attitude that they don’t know better than the GMs and coaches who largely get their jobs through old boys clubs networks and need to just fall in line and not have any emotions? Obviously you do what your boss tells you to just like in any other job unless it’s something totally egregious, but I don’t think it’s out of line for these guys to have negative opinions on how their bosses handle things. This “(frank) you if you’re not putting your head down and going to work” attitude is not something I can get behind.

I'm starting to wonder how this staff really does treat its players. After reading that article on Brass, now this one on Sheahan:

https://www.post-gazette....ange/stories/201902060160

Looking at those two and thinking about how Sprong is a different looking player in Anaheim it gets me curious on if there's an issue with the either the coaching staff or organization that really seems to stifle players.

I'm not trying to start a Sprong argument per-se or trying to suggest he's now this world-beating offensive juggernaut, but he certainly plays with more confidence and it's visible.

Arguing with myself as I write this, I do see Brass maybe being a bit of a baby and clearly should have known his situation would have changed accepting a move to the Pens, it just still sounds like there's some issue with how they handle players' psyche.
- Rinosaur

I think it's more of the whole Sully doghouse mentality...I mean look at how many players he's had conflicts with (Phil may or may not be included in this) over the last 3 years. My guess is that players are growing tired of his zero tolerance of a single mistake for anyone not in his "club" (read as Cullen, Johnson, etc.) and likely constant harping on negatives of certain players (Sprong, DP, Brass, Sheahan, JO, etc.) I can imagine it being hard to deal with on a day-to-day basis.

With all of that said I still never liked Brass here and other than being bummed about what it cost to get him here I'm fine with him now being gone...Sheahan I liked in a Kuhn-like role...always gives 110%, but might not be polished exactly.

Dude I don’t know. I get that for Brassard. He obviously had unrealistic expectations about what being a 3C was and it seemed like he could have put more effort into accepting the role, but I 100% get what Sheahan is saying here. Brassard was behind two all world players. Sheahan lost his job to a guy who absolutely sucked because the boss loves the other guy. Wouldn’t you feel super frustrated and, more than that, down, if your boss showed favoritism and gave all the good projects to a dude you know you’re better than?

These guys are the best in the world at their job. Even the (frank)ing plugs who don’t really belong in the NHL are in the top percentile of hockey players world wide. Yet there’s this attitude that they don’t know better than the GMs and coaches who largely get their jobs through old boys clubs networks and need to just fall in line and not have any emotions? Obviously you do what your boss tells you to just like in any other job unless it’s something totally egregious, but I don’t think it’s out of line for these guys to have negative opinions on how their bosses handle things. This “(frank) you if you’re not putting your head down and going to work” attitude is not something I can get behind.
- Victoro311

I know, I know. What you're saying is right. Really, I just dont want to hear about these guys and their feelings anymore. They're Penguins has beens now. There's probably players in the league with similar attributes that would of came in and done better than these guys in these roles. Sheahan was going on about his confidence in Detroit when he got to Pittsburgh. Ive read multiple articles now about Brassard and his head in Ottawa for the first year or more. Then you get a guy like Teddy, who every single one of these players (Brass, Sheahan, Cullen and even Grant) had a major effect on his career and whether he'd make it up....he comes in and shines. He's only a couple years younger than Sheahan.

I think it's more of the whole Sully doghouse mentality...I mean look at how many players he's had conflicts with (Phil may or may not be included in this) over the last 3 years. My guess is that players are growing tired of his zero tolerance of a single mistake for anyone not in his "club" (read as Cullen, Johnson, etc.) and likely constant harping on negatives of certain players (Sprong, DP, Brass, Sheahan, JO, etc.) I can imagine it being hard to deal with on a day-to-day basis.

With all of that said I still never liked Brass here and other than being bummed about what it cost to get him here I'm fine with him now being gone...Sheahan I liked in a Kuhn-like role...always gives 110%, but might not be polished exactly.
- iworkatinitech

Sheahan clealry had the goods to be a high-end luxury 4C/3C plug.

It’s one thing asking players to fill in outside of their role from time to time, but basically showing a player that you don’t value him can do him in.

I know that sounds a bit like a Millenial approach, but it’s true. Both Sprong and Pouliot looked afraid to sneeze the wrong way on the ice.

Sheahan clearly wasn’t happy, but the moments he was given a little more of a role, he was able to be effective.

I’m happy McCann is here and hopefully destined to be what Sheahan would have been at 4C, but one has to wonder if McCann fails at 3C if he’s destined to be handled the same way as Sheahan.

Sheahan clealry had the goods to be a high-end luxury 4C/3C plug.

It’s one thing asking players to fill in outside of their role from time to time, but basically showing a player that you don’t value him can do him in.

I know that sounds a bit like a Millenial approach, but it’s true. Both Sprong and Pouliot looked afraid to sneeze the wrong way on the ice.

Sheahan clearly wasn’t happy, but the moments he was given a little more of a role, he was able to be effective.

I’m happy McCann is here and hopefully destined to be what Sheahan would have been at 4C, but one has to wonder if McCann fails at 3C if he’s destined to be handled the same way as Sheahan.
- Rinosaur

PIT did the same thing DET did with him. He did well as a 3C but not amazing so then he ended up as a winger on the 4th line which all but eliminated any value he brings.

PIT did the same thing DET did with him. He did well as a 3C but not amazing so then he ended up as a winger on the 4th line which all but eliminated any value he brings.
- Feds91Stammer

The worst position he should have been in on this team is 4c not 4w.

I (frank)ing hope Cullen is off that 2nd line quick tonight. It's utterly ridiculous if you ask me. I'd rather Blueger get the shot there. If not him McCann. But honestly the Bjugstad wing experiment shouldn't start till Geno is back.

I (frank)ing hope Cullen is off that 2nd line quick tonight. It's utterly ridiculous if you ask me. I'd rather Blueger get the shot there. If not him McCann. But honestly the Bjugstad wing experiment shouldn't start till Geno is back.
- 668710

The lines will change from period to period.

PIT did the same thing DET did with him. He did well as a 3C but not amazing so then he ended up as a winger on the 4th line which all but eliminated any value he brings.
- Feds91Stammer

I never really bought him as a full-time 3C, at least on this team, but to have someone like him as your 4C was a luxury and the Pens effed that up because of weird player infatuations.

I have to think that if the Pens miss the playoffs or limp in with a weak first round that all attention will turn to Sully, as it should.

My faith in him started waivering a while ago.

The problem with the idea of how Sully is that it's happened before, its happening now and in all likelihood it will happen again. All of which has a negative affect on the team.

Sheehan was a bit overpaid as a 4C, but there was no reason to bring Cullen back. Id be pissed to if that happened to me in any career field.

Both Sully and JR have made some large blunders with development and the roster the last 2 seasons. They can be corrected, but each year that window gets smaller and smaller.

The lines will change from period to period.
- Rinosaur

Yeah you're right, but my point still stands that Bjugstad should not be entertained at wing untill Geno gets back.

Yeah you're right, but my point still stands that Bjugstad should not be entertained at wing untill Geno gets back.
- 668710

Agreed 100%

Sheahan clealry had the goods to be a high-end luxury 4C/3C plug.

It’s one thing asking players to fill in outside of their role from time to time, but basically showing a player that you don’t value him can do him in.

I know that sounds a bit like a Millenial approach, but it’s true. Both Sprong and Pouliot looked afraid to sneeze the wrong way on the ice.

Sheahan clearly wasn’t happy, but the moments he was given a little more of a role, he was able to be effective.

I’m happy McCann is here and hopefully destined to be what Sheahan would have been at 4C, but one has to wonder if McCann fails at 3C if he’s destined to be handled the same way as Sheahan.
- Rinosaur

I tend to agree here in that any of the young guys on the team are looking over the shoulder constantly to make sure they don't make a single error on the ice otherwise Sully banishes them to the 4th line, or off-position or AHL. It's no wonder they haven't had a top draft choice really prosper here...to that extent I'm hoping they trade away their first, because as long as Sully is here no one that's drafted high will make it under him.

I have been waiting all year, like most years for them to bring up some of the younger guys in the AHL who have been having good years (see Teddy) and let them inject some energy into the team...now I fear that Sully is going to destroy Teddy's confidence at the first sign of him slowing down. That to me is not a good coach in the long term for a franchise.