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Ron MacLean on rumours the #Canucks are getting calls on Jake Virtanen : "I wouldn't give up on Virtanen. They traded Neely & Bertuzzi who were dynamic power forwards & with Jake he just may turn into a dynamic power forward because he is sure taking the steps." Sportsnet650
- VanHockeyGuy

Maybe it is just me but if the right deal came across for a guy with a career high 12 goals 22 points, I am taking the deal.

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Ron MacLean on rumours the #Canucks are getting calls on Jake Virtanen : "I wouldn't give up on Virtanen. They traded Neely & Bertuzzi who were dynamic power forwards & with Jake he just may turn into a dynamic power forward because he is sure taking the steps." Sportsnet650
- VanHockeyGuy

I agree with Ron. If power forwards tend to take longer than other forwards to develop, than Virtanen might just be on the normal pace as far as development. It would have to take a pretty good return for me to want the Canucks to trade him, I would be ok with it if the return was right, but I also would like to keep him.

uh...excuse me? Who said they would finish around 20-21 and pick 10th? And I did say 80-85 pts...
- LordHumungous

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Closet tankers are the worst kind
- LeftCoaster

Maybe it is just me but if the right deal came across for a guy with a career high 12 goals 22 points, I am taking the deal.
- VANTEL

Talking about a guys "career highs" when he is 22 years old is ridiculous

I agree with Ron. If power forwards tend to take longer than other forwards to develop, than Virtanen might just be on the normal pace as far as development. It would have to take a pretty good return for me to want the Canucks to trade him, I would be ok with it if the return was right, but I also would like to keep him.
- Codes1087

I think it's a complete myth that power forwards take longer to develop. I don't know where that came from but it's often repeated for some reason.

Not about Jake, just a general statement on my behalf.

I think it's a complete myth that power forwards take longer to develop. I don't know where that came from but it's often repeated for some reason.

Not about Jake, just a general statement on my behalf.
- LeftCoaster

I think it comes from all these media guys comparing him to other power forwards in the league. Bertuzzi took 6 or 7 years before he was scoring more than 10 goals a year. Tom Wilson is barely putting up numbers better than Jake now. I guess its just comparing the development of other power forwards, but you're right, I have no idea how that started, but I am just assuming why.

Talking about a guys "career highs" when he is 22 years old is ridiculous
- NorthNuck

Talking about a guys "career highs" when he is 22 years old is ridiculous
- NorthNuck

^ this

He is still young. I really like how Jake has developed. I never thought he was going to magically go from 10 goals last year to 20 goals this year. If his goal and point totals climb every year, that to me is a kid trending in the right direction.

I think it comes from all these media guys comparing him to other power forwards in the league. Bertuzzi took 6 or 7 years before he was scoring more than 10 goals a year. Tom Wilson is barely putting up numbers better than Jake now. I guess its just comparing the development of other power forwards, but you're right, I have no idea how that started, but I am just assuming why.
- Codes1087

Not directed at you but Bertuzzi doesn't represent every power forward that's ever played, furthermore, he scored 18 goals his first year. The Islanders sucked and he had a bit of an attitude his first three years.

Keith Tkachuk scored 28, 41 50 his first three years. Adam Deadmarsh had 21, 33, 22 his first three years. John LeClair had 8, 19, 19 until he went to Philly and got a better center to play with. Chris Kreider 17, 21, 21. Jamie Benn 22, 22, 26.

There's examples on both sides of the fence, it's just simply not true it's the same for all power forwards. As Booner says of Virtanen, he's not really a power forward with Bertuzzi like size, Bertuzzi was 6'3" 235lbs. When Jake got down to a proper playing weight he's just over 6' 218lbs, and, he doesn't fight.

^ this

He is still young. I really like how Jake has developed. I never thought he was going to magically go from 10 goals last year to 20 goals this year. If his goal and point totals climb every year, that to me is a kid trending in the right direction.
- Codes1087

Waive him.

^ this

He is still young. I really like how Jake has developed. I never thought he was going to magically go from 10 goals last year to 20 goals this year. If his goal and point totals climb every year, that to me is a kid trending in the right direction.
- Codes1087

I have been a fan of Virtanen having had the chance to watch him here in Calgary with the Hitmen. In Junior he wasn't a true power forward in the traditional sense as he was more a skilled forward who would throw some big hits. He is beginning to show signs of that type of player this season. His development this year is a credit to how Green can mold a young player, if the player buys in to the plan. I think Jake will finish with around 15-17 goals and 30-35 points this year. Not bad growth if you ask me, I think the Canucks include him in the big picture going forward.

Not directed at you but Bertuzzi doesn't represent every power forward that's ever played, furthermore, he scored 18 goals his first year. The Islanders sucked and he had a bit of an attitude his first three years.

Keith Tkachuk scored 28, 41 50 his first three years. Adam Deadmarsh had 21, 33, 22 his first three years. John LeClair had 8, 19, 19 until he went to Philly and got a better center to play with. Chris Kreider 17, 21, 21. Jamie Benn 22, 22, 26.

There's examples on both sides of the fence, it's just simply not true it's the same for all power forwards. As Booner says of Virtanen, he's not really a power forward with Bertuzzi like size, Bertuzzi was 6'3" 235lbs. When Jake got down to a proper playing weight he's just over 6' 218lbs.
- LeftCoaster

bertuzzi was the person Ron Mclean used as reference, and many other media personalities. Again, I said IF power forwards develop at a different pace than other types of forwards, I am still ok keeping him. I don't have enough information on different types of power forwards and their developments to make a fair statement on it. I just simply think he is trending in the right direction and would prefer to keep him unless the deal was right.

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- thundachunk

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Reminds me of the good old days, President's cup
- VanHockeyGuy

bertuzzi was the person Ron Mclean used as reference, and many other media personalities. Again, I said IF power forwards develop at a different pace than other types of forwards, I am still ok keeping him. I don't have enough information on different types of power forwards and their developments to make a fair statement on it. I just simply think he is trending in the right direction and would prefer to keep him unless the deal was right.
- Codes1087

Wasn't directed at you. I like Jake, you're right he's progressing, but he's still very much a work in progress. I'd keep him unless he could bring back a top six forward in a package deal.

Also, Ron McLean should know Vancouver traded Bertuzzi because of the Moore incident and he was 31 years old.

bertuzzi was the person Ron Mclean used as reference, and many other media personalities. Again, I said IF power forwards develop at a different pace than other types of forwards, I am still ok keeping him. I don't have enough information on different types of power forwards and their developments to make a fair statement on it. I just simply think he is trending in the right direction and would prefer to keep him unless the deal was right.
- Codes1087

bertuzzi was the person Ron Mclean used as reference, and many other media personalities. Again, I said IF power forwards develop at a different pace than other types of forwards, I am still ok keeping him. I don't have enough information on different types of power forwards and their developments to make a fair statement on it. I just simply think he is trending in the right direction and would prefer to keep him unless the deal was right.
- Codes1087

i keep coming back to craig button's pre-draft opinion where he had jake in the 2nd round: he's a raffe torres.

torres was an effective player when he finally figured out that his game was bottom 6 not top 6. he was a fast skating, hard hitter that scored occasionally (sprinkled in with some hot streaks).

that type of player is valuable to a contender but i'm not sure you need to hang on to him in the interim. these types of players (bottom 6 role guys) are the mid-tier free agents that are usually available in the off season.

if a good (doesn't have to be great) trade is there, i'd do it.

Wasn't directed at you. I like Jake, you're right he's progressing, but he's still very much a work in progress. I'd keep him unless he could bring back a top six forward in a package deal.

Also, Ron McLean should know Vancouver traded Bertuzzi because of the Moore incident and he was 31 years old.
- LeftCoaster

badly worded by ron. i think he meant the nyi trade to van. not him leaving van.

both canuck bertuzzi trades are top 5 trades ever for this organization!

i keep coming back to craig button's pre-draft opinion where he had jake in the 2nd round: he's a raffe torres.

torres was an effective player when he finally figured out that his game was bottom 6 not top 6. he was a fast skating, hard hitter that scored occasionally (sprinkled in with some hot streaks).

that type of player is valuable to a contender but i'm not sure you need to hang on to him in the interim. these types of players (bottom 6 role guys) are the mid-tier free agents that are usually available in the off season.

if a good (doesn't have to be great) trade is there, i'd do it.
- RealityChecker

i think the sooner people understand that Jake isn't going to be the second coming of Jamie Benn (despite being drafted 5th overall and maybe expectations are higher than what he has given), and more like the second coming of Raffi Torres, or shades of Tom Wilson, than the sooner the media and people will stop with the rumors or the bust talk and what not. I think you hope Jake to be a 1st or 2nd line winger, but if he pots in 15-20 goals, his cap hit is relatively cheap, and he solidifies himself as a really good 3rd line winger, than he is what he is, and I will be ok with it. If Jake ends up being a more productive version of Raffi Torres, im ok with that, Is that what I hoped he would be when we drafted him, obviously not, but dwelling on projections vs results after 5 years is dumb imo lol

badly worded by ron. i think he meant the nyi trade to van. not him leaving van.

both canuck bertuzzi trades are top 5 trades ever for this organization!
- RealityChecker

Damn rights! Linden for Bertuzzi and McCabe. McCabe and a 1st for Henrik. Bertuzzi for Luongo.

i think the sooner people understand that Jake isn't going to be the second coming of Jamie Benn (despite being drafted 5th overall and maybe expectations are higher than what he has given), and more like the second coming of Raffi Torres, or shades of Tom Wilson, than the sooner the media and people will stop with the rumors or the bust talk and what not. I think you hope Jake to be a 1st or 2nd line winger, but if he pots in 15-20 goals, his cap hit is relatively cheap, and he solidifies himself as a really good 3rd line winger, than he is what he is, and I will be ok with it. If Jake ends up being a more productive version of Raffi Torres, im ok with that, Is that what I hoped he would be when we drafted him, obviously not, but dwelling on projections vs results after 5 years is dumb imo lol
- Codes1087

the hope is that he will become a 2nd line winger. the expectation (hard boiled for some while still being cooked for others) is that he will be a good/decent 3rd liner.

the question then becomes do you trade a 3rd liner with 2nd line potential?

that's a different perspective than asking would you trade away your former top 5 draft pick.

the hope is that he will become a 2nd line winger. the expectation (hard boiled for some while still being cooked for others) is that he will be a good/decent 3rd liner.

the question then becomes do you trade a 3rd liner with 2nd line potential? that's a different perspective than asking would you trade away your former top 5 draft pick.
- RealityChecker

for me, it depends on the piece coming back. At this point in the Canucks "rebuild", trading away a 22 year old winger who is continuously improving on his game, his goal and point totals, and brings an edge that is sorely missed on the team, doesnt really make sense, but thats just me. The return would have to really make sense.

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- 1970vintage

Nope no Wedding last night.

for me, it depends on the piece coming back. At this point in the Canucks "rebuild", trading away a 22 year old winger who is continuously improving on his game, his goal and point totals, and brings an edge that is sorely missed on the team, doesnt really make sense, but thats just me. The return would have to really make sense.
- Codes1087

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