Evander Kane
- LeftCoaster

I have seen his comparisons as well. It makes me wonder what Kane's points on the Canucks would have been had he been traded here, or extended here instead of SJ. Same question could be asked if Jake was playing anywhere else but on the Canucks lol. Its irrelevant, but I always wondered. The Canucks have truly been that bad for the last 6 or 7 years.

for me, it depends on the piece coming back. At this point in the Canucks "rebuild", trading away a 22 year old winger who is continuously improving on his game, his goal and point totals, and brings an edge that is sorely missed on the team, doesnt really make sense, but thats just me. The return would have to really make sense.
- Codes1087

the reason why the return potentially makes sense this season is because he's shown a spark. add in his draft pedigree, size and skating and you've got the typical nhl gm's wet dream: a reclamation project big man.

the reason why the return potentially makes sense this season is because he's shown a spark. add in his draft pedigree, size and skating and you've got the typical nhl gm's wet dream: a reclamation project big man.
- RealityChecker

so to play devils advocate, then why trade him? That would be the questions Jim should be asking himself, if he is indeed receiving multiple calls on him.

so to play devils advocate, then why trade him? That would be the questions Jim should be asking himself, if he is indeed receiving multiple calls on him.
- Codes1087

I think jake is getting better and will be a solid player. Taking longer to mature is all.

That said -

If you could get a mid-late first + another B+ prospect you like....maybe?

so to play devils advocate, then why trade him? That would be the questions Jim should be asking himself, if he is indeed receiving multiple calls on him.
- Codes1087

this organization has had the player for approximately 5 years. they have been in charge of his development.

either they think he'll make it to the next level or they don't. they have "scouted" the player through the off season, pre-season and season for 5 years.

why would they need other teams' interest to tell them what they think of their own player?

does that inspire confidence in anyone's decision making?

i think the sooner people understand that Jake isn't going to be the second coming of Jamie Benn (despite being drafted 5th overall and maybe expectations are higher than what he has given), and more like the second coming of Raffi Torres, or shades of Tom Wilson, than the sooner the media and people will stop with the rumors or the bust talk and what not. I think you hope Jake to be a 1st or 2nd line winger, but if he pots in 15-20 goals, his cap hit is relatively cheap, and he solidifies himself as a really good 3rd line winger, than he is what he is, and I will be ok with it. If Jake ends up being a more productive version of Raffi Torres, im ok with that, Is that what I hoped he would be when we drafted him, obviously not, but dwelling on projections vs results after 5 years is dumb imo lol
- Codes1087

A15 to 20 goal pace is 2nd line numbers. Quit contradicting yourself dude.

Not directed at you but Bertuzzi doesn't represent every power forward that's ever played, furthermore, he scored 18 goals his first year. The Islanders sucked and he had a bit of an attitude his first three years.

Keith Tkachuk scored 28, 41 50 his first three years. Adam Deadmarsh had 21, 33, 22 his first three years. John LeClair had 8, 19, 19 until he went to Philly and got a better center to play with. Chris Kreider 17, 21, 21. Jamie Benn 22, 22, 26.

There's examples on both sides of the fence, it's just simply not true it's the same for all power forwards. As Booner says of Virtanen, he's not really a power forward with Bertuzzi like size, Bertuzzi was 6'3" 235lbs. When Jake got down to a proper playing weight he's just over 6' 218lbs, and, he doesn't fight.
- LeftCoaster

Ah semantics, gotta love them

Ah semantics, gotta love them
- Makita

That's exactly what they said about the Capitals, until they won the Stanley Cup last year, which was my original point.
- LeftCoaster

A fair point. I would say the Caps were a bit better equipped for the run. But the Sharks do look good.

Just caught the extended hilites wow how many PP's did the Black Cocks have?

Not a whole lot Marky could do on those goals but still waiting for him to 'steal one'.

Ah semantics, gotta love them
- Makita

Orange Julius.

Discuss.

I think it's a complete myth that power forwards take longer to develop. I don't know where that came from but it's often repeated for some reason.

Not about Jake, just a general statement on my behalf.
- LeftCoaster

Doesn't it have to do with body maturity? Power forwards take a huge amount of punishment doing what they do. A power forward needs a big, powerful body to get to the areas they need to go. As a young man matures so does his strength and power.

Orange Julius.

Discuss.
- LordHumungous

They had hot dogs

A15 to 20 goal pace is 2nd line numbers. Quit contradicting yourself dude.
- Pres.cup

my point pres, is that i wish to keep virtanen. virtanen has also been playing primarily "3rd line" this year and is on pace to be score between 15-20... soooo if you want to talk about contradicting, then lets chat lol

I guess by your standards, Torres scored 14 as a Canuck on the 3rd line, so he meets your criteria, but again, lets not put too much focus on semantics of what a player needs to achieve in order to be "2nd" or "3rd" line material as far as point totals.

Maybe it is just me but if the right deal came across for a guy with a career high 12 goals 22 points, I am taking the deal.
- VANTEL

Mcmuffin for jake

Not directed at you but Bertuzzi doesn't represent every power forward that's ever played, furthermore, he scored 18 goals his first year. The Islanders sucked and he had a bit of an attitude his first three years.

Keith Tkachuk scored 28, 41 50 his first three years. Adam Deadmarsh had 21, 33, 22 his first three years. John LeClair had 8, 19, 19 until he went to Philly and got a better center to play with. Chris Kreider 17, 21, 21. Jamie Benn 22, 22, 26.

There's examples on both sides of the fence, it's just simply not true it's the same for all power forwards. As Booner says of Virtanen, he's not really a power forward with Bertuzzi like size, Bertuzzi was 6'3" 235lbs. When Jake got down to a proper playing weight he's just over 6' 218lbs, and, he doesn't fight.
- LeftCoaster

All the way through minor hockey and junior coach's just let him do his thing because he was good at it, they did not teach him the other aspects of the game.

this organization has had the player for approximately 5 years. they have been in charge of his development.

either they think he'll make it to the next level or they don't. they have "scouted" the player through the off season, pre-season and season for 5 years.

why would they need other teams' interest to tell them what they think of their own player?

does that inspire confidence in anyone's decision making?
- RealityChecker

Also keep in mind the teams you want to trade with are in the exact same boat with the return players. They likely have had said players for several years and don't see them panning out in the big picture. Linden vey , poos alot , Jared McCann hunter shinkarak .... list goes on and on and on. Sometimes it's a better idea to just keep working on you're own players

Just caught the extended hilites wow how many PP's did the Black Cocks have?

Not a whole lot Marky could do on those goals but still waiting for him to 'steal one'.


- LordHumungous

5 I think, beagle and sutter were both in the box on the first goal, sutter got picked and give em the bobby Clarke special which gave them the 2 man advantage. They called louie with 10 minutes left on a pick after letting them go the whole game. Frank the interference is picking up steam with no calls.

Also keep in mind the teams you want to trade with are in the exact same boat with the return players. They likely have had said players for several years and don't see them panning out in the big picture. Linden vey , poos alot , Jared McCann hunter shinkarak .... list goes on and on and on. Sometimes it's a better idea to just keep working on you're own players
- Bullfrog77

I'm on board with this but only to a certain extent.

Orange Julius.

Discuss.
- LordHumungous

Never had it.

Doesn't it have to do with body maturity? Power forwards take a huge amount of punishment doing what they do. A power forward needs a big, powerful body to get to the areas they need to go. As a young man matures so does his strength and power.
- bloatedmosquito

I want to see Jake fight.

I think it's a complete myth that power forwards take longer to develop. I don't know where that came from but it's often repeated for some reason.

Not about Jake, just a general statement on my behalf.
- LeftCoaster

It is. It actually takes longer for skinny kids to develop, I’ll try to find the article I read a couple of years ago, but the author went back like 20-30 years and found that “power forwards” taking longer to develop was a total myth.

He actually found that it was underweight/lanky prospects who took longer to develop.

I want to see Jake fight.
- thundachunk

Me too I think he's doing the cautious thing and picking his spots, I remember a coach in Junior b telling me to stop looking for a spot and just jump in to a scrum and grab a guy and go!!

I think he can throw them a bit and he will need to drop the gloves occasionally if he wants to keep playing with a physical edge.

It is. It actually takes longer for skinny kids to develop, I’ll try to find the article I read a couple of years ago, but the author went back like 20-30 years and found that “power forwards” taking longer to develop was a total myth.

He actually found that it was underweight/lanky prospects who took longer to develop.
- Nucker101

I would say it does take Power forwards longer than skilled players because you don't have an advantage anymore and have to learn to use your size in a different way.

Jake for example used his size and speed to score goals in junior. Now you can't just blow by every defencemen and push your way to the net. Now he has to learn and adapt when to use it and combine it with whatever skills he has to be effective.

That's why a player with size and skill is so sought after.

It is. It actually takes longer for skinny kids to develop, I’ll try to find the article I read a couple of years ago, but the author went back like 20-30 years and found that “power forwards” taking longer to develop was a total myth.

He actually found that it was underweight/lanky prospects who took longer to develop.
- Nucker101

I'm sure Petey will come into his own in a few years