Sounds much better now, after you edited your first post.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Yes it would if I was 12 and a moron.

Yes it would if I was 12 and a moron.
- wcorvette

He's still on that high from the parking lot parade they had 15 years ago.

nah...hes bashing you guys on HFboards
- KINGKENZO

If I knew what that was I might care.

Wait...no I wouldn't

And this is exactly why teams hire GMs and don't let players run the team. Of course players always want to win and go for it. But this isn't a team that was assembled this year or last and hasn't really gotten a shot to put it all together. This is a core that has been together for what, 7 years now?

If the team was in the thick of the playoff hunt and a hot streak took them from WC team to legit threat, I'd be all for keeping Wayne and letting him walk at the end of the season. But this team just rattled off 8 straight and is still 8 points out of the WC2 spot with 3 teams to jump (and 2 more that could jump in front of them thanks to games in hand).

Enjoy the rest of the season, enjoy watching the young players grow, and make moves that make this team better in the future. And I'm not talking about 5 years down the road, I'm talking next year. And trading a player who most likely doesn't have a future here for assets that can have a future here or be used to bring in another player that can is the right move.
- five4fighting10

It's not every year. Last year they added a goalie they needed to push them to a playoff spot. Yes Mrazek was horrid but it was the piece everyone knew that team needed to give them a chance.

The talk of trading Simmonds isn't a dump the year in the toilet move. It's because most people don't see him being resigned. If they aren't going to resign Simmonds you trade him and get resources back that you will be able to use. Losing him for nothing is asinine.

If you are keeping Simmonds and truly making a run the costs are going to be huge with the 3 holes this team would be looking to fill. Are you saying go back to the Holmgren GM style of dumping the farm to make a run with a team that at best will be an 8 seed and face Tampa in round 1?
- dragonoffrost

I personally like what the Flyers are doing, but if they don't sign Simmons before the TDL, they should trade him. Management can't allow the same thing happen to them that happened to the Islanders.
- RustyPipes

Then commit to a rebuild. You can be buyers or sells but don’t stay in the middle. Have a direction and commit to it. Simmonds this, Simmonds that but keep Giroux because he should be a lifetime Flyer.

This isn’t a seven layer dip, where you go in all kinds of different directions. Technically, we don’t even have a coach and Giroux doesn’t get to decide when his career is over. Life does. So you can either win with him, during his best years or you can give up mid season every year as he slowly declines.

At some point, if I’m Giroux, I’m telling management to make the moves that put the on ice product over the top or move me.

Then commit to a rebuild. You can be buyers or sells but don’t stay in the middle. Have a direction and commit to it. Simmonds this, Simmonds that but keep Giroux because he should be a lifetime Flyer.

This isn’t a seven layer dip, where you go in all kinds of different directions. Technically, we don’t even have a coach and Giroux doesn’t get to decide when his career is over. Life does. So you can either win with him, during his best years or you can give up mid season every year as he slowly declines.

At some point, if I’m Giroux, I’m telling management to make the moves that put the on ice product over the top or move me.
- SuperSchennBros

Giroux is on the record as saying I want to be here for the remainder of my career. But go ahead and couch your argument that Simmonds shouldn't be traded on the fact that a guy who has a No Move Clause and has said he don't want to be moved should be asking to be moved because the team isn't doing enough in your eyes to help him, Simmonds, Jake et al to win a cup.

Giroux is on the record as saying I want to be here for the remainder of my career. But go ahead and couch your argument that Simmonds shouldn't be traded on the fact that a guy who has a No Move Clause and has said he don't want to be moved should be asking to be moved because the team isn't doing enough in your eyes to help him, Simmonds, Jake et al to win a cup.
- dragonoffrost

What is Giroux supposed to say? He’s also on record of wanting JvR back, which is him implying he wants to win. Jake and G spoke to management and asked them to bring JvR here.

Then commit to a rebuild. You can be buyers or sells but don’t stay in the middle. Have a direction and commit to it. Simmonds this, Simmonds that but keep Giroux because he should be a lifetime Flyer.

This isn’t a seven layer dip, where you go in all kinds of different directions. Technically, we don’t even have a coach and Giroux doesn’t get to decide when his career is over. Life does. So you can either win with him, during his best years or you can give up mid season every year as he slowly declines.

At some point, if I’m Giroux, I’m telling management to make the moves that put the on ice product over the top or move me.
- SuperSchennBros

I don't know if it's one or the other. The Pens, Caps, Bolts, and others let their young players come up and they also make moves at the TDL to enhance the team. We have young players doing well and are getting better. Why can't we make a move here or there to enhance what we have and what is coming?

What is Giroux supposed to say? He’s also on record of wanting JvR back, which is him implying he wants to win. Jake and G spoke to management and asked them to bring JvR here.
- SuperSchennBros

AND THEY FREAKING DID IT! So why would he be asking for a trade now because this season went sideways. Look at the recent play. This team is better now than the record shows now. They got their goalie. They got JVR. They are getting what they want except maybe they don't get Simmonds because the powers that be see that Simmonds will be fine for a year or two and then will freaking turn into Milan Lucic. Which I doubt you will be happy if Simmonds becomes that level of player. It's a freaking business some times and hard decisions need to be made. G/Jake/JvR et all will understand that.

So because we received one point instead of two, it’s time to throw the season? We have such a loser mentality on this board, it’s sickening.

I already know what you guys think. Time to trade Simmonds. Oh well, we weren’t winning this season anyway. In your collective minds, you think you know what Fletcher is going to do before he’s done it...

My question to all is, what do you guys think the players want? The leaders of this core are all 30 or close to. They’re not out of the playoffs, they’re in the hunt. My question to all of you is, should the players feel like you? Throw the season because you weren’t gonna win anyway.

We look like a different team out there since October not only in front of Hart but Stolarz too. We’re getting the saves. You wanna throw in the towel, what do the players want? If I’m Giroux and management is giving up now, then he should want out. You can’t give up every year mid season after 30. Period!
- SuperSchennBros

If I am the GM i am doing what is best for the organization, not the players. if I cant get him signed for a number/term I can live with that isn't going to possibly hurt the team moving forward, I would move him.

He went legs first into boards last night in the 1st and I was very concerned lol
- arichardson22

especially those skinny legs!

I don't think so.

Simmonds will be moved. From things I am reading and hearing from analyst are he is going to easily get a 1st and possibly two young players back or one very good prospect.

Raffl will most likely be gone. I heard the other day that maybe a team like Montreal could use him for depth.


One guy I wonder about because he has played good is Gudas. Physical, right handed dman for the playoffs? Still has term on a inexpensive deal? I wonder what interest could be there.
- J35Bacher

Raffl chances of being traded are pretty slim and if the Flyers are still in play-off hunt
it would be even foolish to trade him.
Where did you hear the story about Montreal?
Simmonds is different as there would be a good return

Raffl chances of being traded are pretty slim and if the Flyers are still in play-off hunt
it would be even foolish to trade him.
Where did you hear the story about Montreal?
Simmonds is different as there would be a good return
- goenzoy

If Simmonds goes Raffl is good as gone for a pick it may be a later round, fourth or lower, but he'll be gone.

Raffl chances of being traded are pretty slim and if the Flyers are still in play-off hunt
it would be even foolish to trade him.
Where did you hear the story about Montreal?
Simmonds is different as there would be a good return
- goenzoy

I think i heard Raffl mentioned on TSN.

Raffl is a UFA. If i get something like a 3rd or 4th or even a 5th I am moving him. And it's not a stretch to see him moved. Playoff teams like those depth guys that can kill penalties, forecheck and move around the lineeup

Then commit to a rebuild. You can be buyers or sells but don’t stay in the middle. Have a direction and commit to it. Simmonds this, Simmonds that but keep Giroux because he should be a lifetime Flyer.

This isn’t a seven layer dip, where you go in all kinds of different directions. Technically, we don’t even have a coach and Giroux doesn’t get to decide when his career is over. Life does. So you can either win with him, during his best years or you can give up mid season every year as he slowly declines.

At some point, if I’m Giroux, I’m telling management to make the moves that put the on ice product over the top or move me.
- SuperSchennBros

Lol Giroux is the teams best player by a million miles. This is such a false equivalency. Trading a player that is on an expiring contract that you don't plan on resigning is not a rebuild. It's good asset management.

Lol Giroux is the teams best player by a million miles. This is such a false equivalency. Trading a player that is on an expiring contract that you don't plan on resigning is not a rebuild. It's good asset management.
- bulet13

US

They scored on two of the first three shots last night. You cant ask for much more than that from the shooters. I just cant get worked up over the shoot out. I was at the game last night. After the first three shooters went, and it was still tied, I left. I just lost interest after that.
- Dkos

Winning the shootout doubles your points for that game. Not taking the shootout seriously is asinine. Winning 6-1 or 3-2 in a shootout is the same 2 points.

Every player should treat their shootout opportunity as a breakaway in the 3rd period.
Skating on goal 2 miles an hr and a dipsy doo move is total BS.

Winning the shootout doubles your points for that game. Not taking the shootout seriously is asinine. Winning 6-1 or 3-2 in a shootout is the same 2 points.

Every player should treat their shootout opportunity as a breakaway in the 3rd period.
Skating on goal 2 miles an hr and a dipsy doo move is total BS.
- kennygarcon

Technically it's better to win in regulation or OT because it adds to your ROW which is the first tiebreaker

Winning the shootout doubles your points for that game. Not taking the shootout seriously is asinine. Winning 6-1 or 3-2 in a shootout is the same 2 points.

Every player should treat their shootout opportunity as a breakaway in the 3rd period.
Skating on goal 2 miles an hr and a dipsy doo move is total BS.
- kennygarcon

what's amazing to me is that virtually every time a flyer skates in slowly they either lose the puck on a deke or shoot it directly into the goalie from distance and manage to look like they've exhibited zero effort - as if they're just (frank)ing around at practice.

yet...whenever the other team does it - like kovalchuk last night - they score and make it look easy. and the flyers lose.

so frustrating.

what's amazing to me is that virtually every time a flyer skates in slowly they either lose the puck on a deke or shoot it directly into the goalie from distance and manage to look like they've exhibited zero effort - as if they're just (frank)ing around at practice.

yet...whenever the other team does it - like kovalchuk last night - they score and make it look easy. and the flyers lose.

so frustrating.
- hammarby31

Stolarz left a five-hole big enough to drive a truck through on that one.

are we talking about trading simmonds means this is a rebuild?

I think i heard Raffl mentioned on TSN.

Raffl is a UFA. If i get something like a 3rd or 4th or even a 5th I am moving him. And it's not a stretch to see him moved. Playoff teams like those depth guys that can kill penalties, forecheck and move around the lineeup
- J35Bacher

If Hurricanes make the play-off I even agree.He is the perfect versatility player and with some many rightshot Dman and European trained forwards he would fit nicely.
But are Flyers willing to trade in division?

Stolarz left a five-hole big enough to drive a truck through on that one.
- Scoob

it wasn't that big, but big yes. and i can tell you first hand, a guy that can wire it like he can doesn't need much of a hole that close with all day to shoot. it may seem easy because he's not moving, but in a blink of an eye, it's in the net. it's actually hard on a goalie to keep waiting and waiting and waiting like that.

what i wanted in that instance with kovulchuk was for stolarz to butterfly and attempt a poke. he got lulled into a trance.

what's amazing to me is that virtually every time a flyer skates in slowly they either lose the puck on a deke or shoot it directly into the goalie from distance and manage to look like they've exhibited zero effort - as if they're just (frank)ing around at practice.

yet...whenever the other team does it - like kovalchuk last night - they score and make it look easy. and the flyers lose.

so frustrating.
- hammarby31

I'm not sure what Stolarz was trying to do there. The 5 hole was a gaping grand canyon there. Maybe he thought he could bait Kovalchuk to shoot there and close it up. If so, that was a bad decision. Kovalchuk doesn't skate like he used to but he still has a lightning quick release and a laser of a shot.

Stolarz left a five-hole big enough to drive a truck through on that one.
- Scoob

To be honest, he only needs enough room for a Moped. The dude has always been a goal scorer.

it wasn't that big, but big yes. and i can tell you first hand, a guy that can wire it like he can doesn't need much of a hole that close with all day to shoot. it may seem easy because he's not moving, but in a blink of an eye, it's in the net. it's actually hard on a goalie to keep waiting and waiting and waiting like that.

what i wanted in that instance with kovulchuk was for stolarz to butterfly and attempt a poke. he got lulled into a trance.
- hammarby31

Oh, I understand, and I'm not saying Stolarz sucks, just that he played that wrong. Rookie mistake. That's something he'll learn with time.