Also Gordon is on record as saying Hart would not have been called up earlier. Gordon himself told Hextall he was not ready. This is why Pickard was signed. Hextall probably would have asked Gordon again when things got ugly and Hart actually did get called up.

Nice shot but the Leafs probably want that save

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He's been better recently but still the holes are there. He's paid to play a better all around game. Criticism of his game is warranted.
- dragonoffrost

He’s paid to be a top line star. Every player has holes to their games. Voracek has never been known to be this outstanding two way winger. He’s a point producer.

Also Gordon is on record as saying Hart would not have been called up earlier. Gordon himself told Hextall he was not ready. This is why Pickard was signed. Hextall probably would have asked Gordon again when things got ugly and Hart actually did get called up.
- dragonoffrost

Pickled was a waiver claim, no?

He’s paid to be a top line star. Every player has holes to their games. Voracek has never been known to be this outstanding two way winger. He’s a point producer.
- SuperSchennBros

You are just willing to accept him as he is. We want a little more from him that's the difference.

It kind of goes along with all the people complaining about Coots before he broke out offensively over the last couple of years.

Pickled was a waiver claim, no?
- SuperSchennBros

Signed , waiver claim you get the point.

You are just willing to accept him as he is. We want a little more from him that's the difference.

It kind of goes along with all the people complaining about Coots before he broke out offensively over the last couple of years.
- dragonoffrost

I accept Voracek for what he is because he’s been the same player since he became a Flyer. He had a career high last season, which shows improvement within his craft.

Couturier taking the better half of six seasons to become what he is today is something we’ve all have been waiting for along time. Nobody is waiting for Voracek to become an awesome defensive winger.

Just a couple things that I've noticed from today's thread:

The statement that the season ticket holders were mad about tickets being sold on stub hub for lower than they were paying to go is kind of wrong. It's season ticket holders selling at those prices because the team was so bad that they don't want to go to every game and that's what the general public was willing to pay to see a trash product.

Simmonds is probably gone soon if Bailey can show something.

Jake's defense is my issue not his turnovers. But turnovers make his bad defense even more noticeable.

I see Gudas probably traded at the deadline or draft to make the space to keep Morin and Myers up next year and A Mac at #7. Remember the players keep making him one of the captains that speaks to his voice in the locker room.
- dragonoffrost

I wouldn’t expect bailey to outplay simmer but who knows. If they lose simmer in a trade there is a hole in the top 9 that they can’t fill from anywhere internally right now.

I wouldn’t expect bailey to outplay simmer but who knows. If they lose simmer in a trade there is a hole in the top 9 that they can’t fill from anywhere internally right now.
- Just5

I'm not saying he's got to completely replace Simmer but Bailey plays well they can deal Simmer for a complimentary piece.

You are just willing to accept him as he is. We want a little more from him that's the difference.

It kind of goes along with all the people complaining about Coots before he broke out offensively over the last couple of years.
- dragonoffrost

Here is the thing in my view. It doesn't take special talent to be better defensively. It just takes more effort. Skate as hard on the back check as you do going to the net with the puck.

I wouldn’t expect bailey to outplay simmer but who knows. If they lose simmer in a trade there is a hole in the top 9 that they can’t fill from anywhere internally right now.
- Just5

I like what Gordon is doing with that team much better than Hakstol ever did. I desperately wanted Giroux to remain at center, he’s made that adjustment. I wanted Couturier moved from the slot on the top PP unit, he’s done it. The changes have resulted in positive change.

With this said, I don’t think we’re getting the very best from Simmonds because he’s not playing next to a Giroux or Voracek. Simmonds isn’t allowed to play in the crease, where he’s been making the most of his money. I think Simmonds and JvR really need to switch places, if any of us want to see Simmonds’ value go up.

I like what Gordon is doing with that team much better than Hakstol ever did. I desperately wanted Giroux to remain at center, he’s made that adjustment. I wanted Couturier moved from the slot on the top PP unit, he’s done it. The changes have resulted in positive change.

With this said, I don’t think we’re getting the very best from Simmonds because he’s not playing next to a Giroux or Voracek. Simmonds isn’t allowed to play in the crease, where he’s been making the most of his money. I think Simmonds and JvR really need to switch places, if any of us want to see Simmonds’ value go up.
- SuperSchennBros

Two weeks from the deadline no one's value is going up due to play on the ice. Prices can go up due to a bidding war though.

This doesn't make any sense. Of course they wanted him out, they fired him. That's not under debate. They panicked. I've always been a big supporter of Holmgren but I think he made a poor decision. Scott I have no time for. If the team was winning earlier in the season, Hextall wouldn't have been fired in my opinion.
- MJL

Your oblivious to how sports teams operate with your statements.
Was firing Hextall a panic move or upper upper management not liking the culture and direction the team was headed in?
I choose to pick the middle of this scenario.
The team had goals and a time frame to reach objectives. The flyers regressed from last year.
The team was not a good product.
Hextall either rides or out and the team under Hakstol gets better or they have the same run as they have now under Gordon.
As a business it’s not unreasonable to expect results. The team under Hextall sucked plain and simple. Revenue was down the team sucked and Hextalls answer was patience.
Guess what it’s not necessarily a panic move to fire Hex and want a more engaged team.
I don’t blame Hextall for not calling up Hart at the time or making a panic trade but their were things management didn’t like that hex was preaching and he paid for it.

Two weeks from the deadline no one's value is going up due to play on the ice. Prices can go up due to a bidding war though.
- dragonoffrost

You’re telling me if a player who is expected to be traded, scores 5 to 7 goals within the next two weeks, that doesn’t help their value?

You’re telling me if a player who is expected to be traded, scores 5 to 7 goals within the next two weeks, that doesn’t help their value?
- SuperSchennBros

If I'm a GM trading for a player I'm not letting recency bias affect my evaluation.

If I'm a GM trading for a player I'm not letting recency bias affect my evaluation.
- dragonoffrost

Are you a GM?

Your oblivious to how sports teams operate with your statements.
Was firing Hextall a panic move or upper upper management not liking the culture and direction the team was headed in?
I choose to pick the middle of this scenario.
The team had goals and a time frame to reach objectives. The flyers regressed from last year.
The team was not a good product.
Hextall either rides or out and the team under Hakstol gets better or they have the same run as they have now under Gordon.
As a business it’s not unreasonable to expect results. The team under Hextall sucked plain and simple. Revenue was down the team sucked and Hextalls answer was patience.
Guess what it’s not necessarily a panic move to fire Hex and want a more engaged team.
I don’t blame Hextall for not calling up Hart at the time or making a panic trade but their were things management didn’t like that hex was preaching and he paid for it.
- bird_dog_pa

Pretty funny. It's absurd for you to insinuate that I don't know what their reasoning for doing it is. It also points to a comprehension issue that you have. I understand why they did it, I just don't agree with it. What has happened to change the team around this season? Answer that question and then you know the reality. Seriously, replies like you made here make me laugh. It was always going to be based on how fast the young players grow. That is what is going to determine the future of this team. Nothing has changed! The team improved just as they were likely to if Hextall was still here. It's rarely linear. Management panicked. Holmgren and Scott bailed on the plan and now want to be more aggressive and they want the team to be a cap team. Holmgren should've remained GM if that is the case. Everything happening now that is positive was put into place by Hextall.

Nice little scrap. Get the the leafs back into it.

Are you a GM?
- SuperSchennBros

You are telling me you'd overvalue a player who has a up tick the last two weeks? Simmonds is on his career pace for goals. He's never been a playmaker so the assists being down isn't a worry. His price shouldn't change due to two weeks.

You are telling me you'd overvalue a player who has a up tick the last two weeks? Simmonds is on his career pace for goals. He's never been a playmaker so the assists being down isn't a worry. His price shouldn't change due to two weeks.
- dragonoffrost

You have absolutely no idea what his price is. What we do know is, there are 31 GMs in the league, with only so many assets they are willing to part with. Some might over pay, some not. Some teams are watching some players closer than others and if this is the case, one team might over pay for a hit streak.

You have absolutely no idea what his price is. What we do know is, there are 31 GMs in the league, with only so many assets they are willing to part with. Some might over pay, some not. Some teams are watching some players closer than others and if this is the case, one team might over pay for a hit streak.
- SuperSchennBros

Where did I name the price I just said it shouldn't change if he scores 5-7 goals before the deadline. Simple asset management.

What could change the value is if Toronto heard Boston made a slightly better offer.

Where did I name the price I just said it shouldn't change if he scores 5-7 goals before the deadline. Simple asset management.

What could change the value is if Toronto heard Boston made a slightly better offer.
- dragonoffrost

I agree that teams bidding against one another is more likely to drive up the price but Simmonds playing well and producing sure doesn't hurt.

Here is the thing in my view. It doesn't take special talent to be better defensively. It just takes more effort. Skate as hard on the back check as you do going to the net with the puck.
- MJL

Or go mark a man. Instead of skating back and puck watching....time and time and time again

Where did I name the price I just said it shouldn't change if he scores 5-7 goals before the deadline. Simple asset management.

What could change the value is if Toronto heard Boston made a slightly better offer.
- dragonoffrost

You said his price shouldn’t change in two weeks. What’s his price?