He does? I thought Spong had 13 points (9 & 4) compared to 10 of Pettersson?
- kingcong39

Perhaps. A guy I was following on twitter tweeted it named Jokke Novalenien. He writes for Dobber Prospects. Nonetheless a 3rd pairing d-man with a goal today gives him 2 less points then Sprong who is getting top 6 minutes with the ducks for an extended period of time.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.fcgi

23% chance we make playoffs
- homiedclown

I've always liked this site:

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html

14.2% chance, pretty similar

Sheary/Sobotka/Pominville 50% retained could be of use to a team. Larsson, Girgensons, Hunwick, Nelson.

Potential dark horse could be Skinner getting traded and resigning here July 1st like Moulson did a few years back.
- Pegullaville

None of those players could fetch us anything of real value. And to give away salary space to make them go away doesn't seem like a good idea.

None of those players could fetch us anything of real value. And to give away salary space to make them go away doesn't seem like a good idea.
- PrinceChill

Better paying them 50% to go away then paying them full value to suck and take up a roster spot I’d think.

None of those players could fetch us anything of real value. And to give away salary space to make them go away doesn't seem like a good idea.
- PrinceChill

Skinner wouldn’t fetch anything of real value?

https://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.fcgi

23% chance we make playoffs
- homiedclown

6 points out of a playoff spot, 6 points out of a top 8 selection.

Perhaps. A guy I was following on twitter tweeted it named Jokke Novalenien. He writes for Dobber Prospects. Nonetheless a 3rd pairing d-man with a goal today gives him 2 less points then Sprong who is getting top 6 minutes with the ducks for an extended period of time.
- Pegullaville

https://www.nhl.com/playe...marcus-pettersson-8477969

https://www.nhl.com/player/daniel-sprong-8478466

There is a 0.00001% chance we win the cup this year. There is a 30% chance we make the playoffs. I’d say a 5-10% chance of winning a series. Even if the difference between selecting 10th and 16th is 5% better success. I’ll take that all day to make winning a cup a higher probability a couple years from now when we are “contending”
- Pegullaville

Let’s just say you’re right... that picking a BETTER player at 10 vs 16 has a 5% better chance
Isn’t that ignoring that a really good player could still be picked at 16???

It doesn’t mean the guy picked at 10 will be Mitts & the guy picked at 16 will be Girgs

It could just as easily (and much more likely) be a situation where the guy picked 10th is “Mitts” & the guy picked 16th is “Chychrun”

Skinner wouldn’t fetch anything of real value?
- TheHank

Skinner has a full NMC. He will only go where he chooses to go. And if Kane and ROR are any indication, a late first is about what we'd expect to get for him anyway.

https://www.nhl.com/player/marcus-pettersson-8477969

https://www.nhl.com/player/daniel-sprong-8478466
- kingcong39

Pettersson scored today too and those stats don’t update during the game. So they both have 17 points a piece.

https://www.nhl.com/player/marcus-pettersson-8477969

https://www.nhl.com/player/daniel-sprong-8478466
- kingcong39

Doing full research by someone should never be difficult or avoided.

https://twitter.com/Jokke.../1097212381216849920?s=19

Skinner has a full NMC. He will only go where he chooses to go. And if Kane and ROR are any indication, a late first is about what we'd expect to get for him anyway.
- PrinceChill

I value first rd picks

Let’s just say you’re right... that picking a BETTER player at 10 vs 16 has a 5% better chance
Isn’t that ignoring that a really good player could still be picked at 16???

It doesn’t mean the guy picked at 10 will be Mitts & the guy picked at 16 will be Girgs

It could just as easily (and much more likely) be a situation where the guy picked 10th is “Mitts” & the guy picked 16th is “Chychrun”
- jdfitz77

Anything is possible. That could very well be the cost. However the 10th overall pick has a higher success rate then the 16th overall pick. Also has higher draft lottery odds, never say never with those either.

Anything is possible. That could very well be the cost. However the 10th overall pick has a higher success rate then the 16th overall pick. Also has higher draft lottery odds, never say never with those either.
- Pegullaville

Again though,
the differences aren’t significant

You only seem to be looking at the very worst or very best case scenarios,
as opposed to what is more overwhelmingly likely to happen

Pettersson scored today too and those stats don’t update during the game. So they both have 17 points a piece.
- Pegullaville

Pettersson had a goal and assist today. He has 18 points now.

Doing full research by someone should never be difficult or avoided.

https://twitter.com/Jokke.../1097212381216849920?s=19
- kingcong39

Well I apologize for taking the words of an accredited prospects reporter. I promise to do my homework next time and I’ll cite my information in APA format with a fully documented Bibliography page.

Anything is possible. That could very well be the cost. However the 10th overall pick has a higher success rate then the 16th overall pick. Also has higher draft lottery odds, never say never with those either.
- Pegullaville

Don’t u keep telling me this is a deep draft & we have to trust that Botts will make good on these picks?

U seem to not be taking your own advice here

I value first rd picks
- TheHank

Everyone does. I just think it's a fantasy that JB is going to trade JS at the deadline for a huge haul, then resign him July 1st for under 8m per.

Well I apologize for taking the words of an accredited prospects reporter. I promise to do my homework next time and I’ll cite my information in APA format with a fully documented Bibliography page.
- Pegullaville

Nice comeback. My comment was more for the reporter who even said in his tweet that he hadn't checked.

Again though,
the differences aren’t significant

You only seem to be looking at the very worst or very best case scenarios,
as opposed to what is more overwhelmingly likely to happen
- jdfitz77

Yes picking somewhere in the 10-14 range, and saving ourselves from national humiliation. Even if I had rose colour glasses on the Sabres have to win a minimum of 15 of their last 25 games with loser points involved to even have a chance. And before you say “well it’s easy to root for them to lose now” I’ve been on the tank train and debating you on this issue for over a month now. Picking in the 10-14 range is what’s realistic and we are both arguing on two opposite ends of the spectrum that are both likely to not happen.

- homiedclown

and here I thought you were going to blame Hillary or obama

Nice comeback. My comment was more for the reporter who even said in his tweet that he hadn't checked.
- kingcong39

Yet he ended up being correct, and my original post was in fact correct. So where are we going with this ? Not to mention you also had a post with incorrect point totals so shouldn’t you be taking your own advice ?

Yet he ended up being correct, and my original post was in fact correct. So where are we going with this ? Not to mention you also had a post with incorrect point totals so shouldn’t you be taking your own advice ?
- Pegullaville

Neither was correct as Pettersson still is one point behind Sprong comparing their respective production since the trade.

That was the point, or are you moving the goal posts?

Those Amazon jobs were NOT for working class people.

They were an average salary of 150k. Yeah sure, some custodial positions would have been open. Whoopdie-doo.

Those were corporate jobs. I honestly cannot see what the big deal is that a company that made 11 billion dollars last year and didn't pay a penny in taxes decided to take their ball and go home.
- BeadyEyedDouche

I think they got a refund for $179 million making their effective tax rate a -1%...didn't pay any taxes the year before either...GE didnt' pay any taxes either and I remember some supposed rich real estate guy during the election proudly stating that he didn't pay taxes either

For the tankers:
Would the Sabres have been better off not trading for Skinner, finishing at or near the bottom. Then signing him as a free agent this coming summer?