Love the hate you have for a team with two forth lines, look what a well couched team can do. Now when this hobo-team of New York gets to the second season I sure as hope it's PJ boy, de Mighty Babichcock and the Arizona sun-dawg they meet.
Oh those Yotes' are looking like they have a chance in the chace of mediocrity.

Love the hate you have for a team with two forth lines, look what a well couched team can do. Now when this hobo-team of New York gets to the second season I sure as hope it's PJ boy, de Mighty Babichcock and the Arizona sun-dawg they meet.
Oh those Yotes' are looking like they have a chance in the chace of mediocrity.
- Leo_Union

wut

If you're gonna knock the Devry Institute, we are going to fight.
- James_Tanner

Is that the school where they give you a free set of tools when you graduate?

Tanner is yelling at the clouds again. This time about old men yelling at clouds.

Carolina is DOMINATING everyone with a 55% Corsi for. Second best team in the NHL.

Tampa is 8th. Guess it's luck.

Love the hate you have for a team with two forth lines, look what a well couched team can do. Now when this hobo-team of New York gets to the second season I sure as hope it's PJ boy, de Mighty Babichcock and the Arizona sun-dawg they meet.
Oh those Yotes' are looking like they have a chance in the chace of mediocrity.
- Leo_Union

Are you having a stroke?

Personally, I find myself hilarious. I could have also talked about my scholarships, grants and awards, but I stopped myself. I didn't even mention the time Stephen Hawking complimented me.
- James_Tanner

Stephen Hawking must’ve complimented how far you’ve reached and accomplished blogging on hockeybuzz, where all the worlds great minds end up.

If you're gonna knock the Devry Institute, we are going to fight.
- James_Tanner

Lol.
Awesome James!
Keep casting, the boat is almost full.

These comments get better and better. If Robin and Greiss were facing 50 shots a game like last year and a bunch of 2 on1 1's and breakaway then you can give most of the credit to the goalies. How are so many fans not getting that Barry is a great coach and Barry's great system and coaching and the players buying in are making the goalies job easier?
- ses111

Your team does deserve credit for reducing shots against. You've gone from 35.3 shots per game down to an average of 28.6, which certainly helps your goalie and especially impacts GAA. Save percentage, imo, is a better stat for telling us how well the goalie themselves are playing, as opposed to GAA which can be impacted a great deal by the rest of the team.

Admittedly even sv % can be impacted by play style, since not all shots are equal. If most of the shots against are low danger because of the how the team is playing, it can help a goalie have a higher save percentage, but I still think this stat gives us a bit of an idea how a goalie is doing.

While a better structured game might be helping a bit at keeping goals down for you guys, it's still my opinion the goalies are also playing better than they are capable of doing long term (my definition of long term here is multiple seasons worth). They might keep this up all this year and into the playoffs, but I don't think if we check back 2 years from now that these goalies will still be performing at this level.

Who knows, maybe I'm wrong and both Lehner and Greiss have suddenly learned how to be better goalies.

Lol.
Awesome James!
Keep casting, the boat is almost full.
- shoreorrpark

Stephen Hawking must’ve complimented how far you’ve reached and accomplished blogging on hockeybuzz, where all the worlds great minds end up.
- kindlyrick

He complimented his snazzy fashion sense. James was wearing his imitation Don Cherry sports jacket at the time.

I wish I had a meme of a cloud yelling at you - telling you what a good job you did!
- James_Tanner

I don't always agree with you James. Just when you're right.

Your team does deserve credit for reducing shots against. You've gone from 35.3 shots per game down to an average of 28.6, which certainly helps your goalie and especially impacts GAA. Save percentage, imo, is a better stat for telling us how well the goalie themselves are playing, as opposed to GAA which can be impacted a great deal by the rest of the team.

Admittedly even sv % can be impacted by play style, since not all shots are equal. If most of the shots against are low danger because of the how the team is playing, it can help a goalie have a higher save percentage, but I still think this stat gives us a bit of an idea how a goalie is doing.

While a better structured game might be helping a bit at keeping goals down for you guys, it's still my opinion the goalies are also playing better than they are capable of doing long term (my definition of long term here is multiple seasons worth). They might keep this up all this year and into the playoffs, but I don't think if we check back 2 years from now that these goalies will still be performing at this level.

Who knows, maybe I'm wrong and both Lehner and Greiss have suddenly learned how to be better goalies.
- Thecakeisalie

Isn’t this a contradiction of your point that the only reason we’re winning is due to the goalies? Also, going from the worst goals against in the league in the last decade to best in the league this season is due to Greiss and Lehner alone?

Isn’t this a contradiction of your point that the only reason we’re winning is due to the goalies? Also, going from the worst goals against in the league in the last decade to best in the league this season is due to Greiss and Lehner alone?
- Cptmjl

The problem is you're simply reading my posts and looking for an argument, so you missed me complimenting your team's hard work.

I was in fact suggesting that the team's play might be part of the reason for the low goals against.

My point is that while the team/coaching deserves a lot of credit, I still think the goalies are playing a bit above their normal abilities. Lehner and Greiss are not the best goalies in the league, but their current sv % would suggest as much. Eventually they are going to regress a bit.

I don't always agree with you James. Just when you're right.
- Thecakeisalie

Apple polisher

The problem is you're simply reading my posts and looking for an argument, so you missed me complimenting your team's hard work.

I was in fact suggesting that the team's play might be part of the reason for the low goals against.

My point is that while the team/coaching deserves a lot of credit, I still think the goalies are playing a bit above their normal abilities. Lehner and Greiss are not the best goalies in the league, but their current sv % would suggest as much. Eventually they are going to regress a bit.
- Thecakeisalie

No that’s not what happened. You’re assuming that Im looking for an argument because I painted you in a corner. I asked you a legitimate question and you answered it. You are contradicting yourself from your posts yesterday. Thank you.

Apple polisher
- Tedge77

I wonder if he was a cum laude also?

No that’s not what happened. You’re assuming that I asked you a legitimate question and you answered it. You are contradicting yourself. Thank you.
- Cptmjl

No, I didn't contradict myself at all. Life isn't so simple that there can only be one reason for a certain result. Sometimes there are multiple reasons why things occur.

Like for example, the Isles goalies this year might have better gaa and sv% because the team in front is playing better AND the goalies themselves are having career years. It doesn't have to be one or the other. It can be both.

In fact, I mentioned both those factors in my first post that you quoted. That the players and play style might also be a factor. You're acting like you pointed out something I missed, while I myself had already acknowledged that very thing.

Tanner is yelling at the clouds again. This time about old men yelling at clouds.

Carolina is DOMINATING everyone with a 55% Corsi for. Second best team in the NHL.

Tampa is 8th. Guess it's luck.
- Red001

corsi is outdated, surprised that a self proclaimed forward thinker like Tanner would still be stuck on using corsi to evaluate players/teams.

Apple polisher
- Tedge77

OK, I'll enjoy polishing my apple while you enjoy eating your sour grapes.

OK, I'll enjoy polishing my apple while you enjoy eating your sour grapes.
- Thecakeisalie

My team was predicted to finish dead last and we are in first place. My grapes are delicious thank you.

My team was predicted to finish dead last and we are in first place. My grapes are delicious thank you.
- Tedge77

Dead last? That is pretty crazy. Before the season started I would've predicted that you'd miss the playoffs again but not dead last. Too many teams in worse shape.

Yeah, you should definitely be happy about how you're team is doing, which I mentioned in my post on here yesterday. Enjoy it.

The sour grapes is more about getting angry at anyone suggesting your teams' current position is in any part based on something like luck or goalies playing above their heads, rather than just the team being this good. It's possible I didn't use that "sour grapes" idiom quite correctly, but it fit well with the food thing we had going on lol.

I'd say even if Lehner and Greiss were playing at their average level you guys would still be in a playoff spot, just probably not leading the division.

Your team does deserve credit for reducing shots against. You've gone from 35.3 shots per game down to an average of 28.6, which certainly helps your goalie and especially impacts GAA. Save percentage, imo, is a better stat for telling us how well the goalie themselves are playing, as opposed to GAA which can be impacted a great deal by the rest of the team.

Admittedly even sv % can be impacted by play style, since not all shots are equal. If most of the shots against are low danger because of the how the team is playing, it can help a goalie have a higher save percentage, but I still think this stat gives us a bit of an idea how a goalie is doing.

While a better structured game might be helping a bit at keeping goals down for you guys, it's still my opinion the goalies are also playing better than they are capable of doing long term (my definition of long term here is multiple seasons worth). They might keep this up all this year and into the playoffs, but I don't think if we check back 2 years from now that these goalies will still be performing at this level.

Who knows, maybe I'm wrong and both Lehner and Greiss have suddenly learned how to be better goalies.
- Thecakeisalie

I think Robin always had the talent and he seems to have gotten the help he needed in terms of his mental health. I think Greiss has shown flashes in the past and has never really shown the ability to be a clear cut #1 goalie. The key with the Isles is they have a great coach. Barry has been great back to his Preds teams and would have won a Cup with the Preds if ownership were not so cheap. Isles were not as bad as they looked under Garth, Cappy, and Weight. Isles may not be a great team and clear cut Cup favorites but they are in great shape with Lou and Barry going forward.

Dead last? That is pretty crazy. Before the season started I would've predicted that you'd miss the playoffs again but not dead last. Too many teams in worse shape.

Yeah, you should definitely be happy about how you're team is doing, which I mentioned in my post on here yesterday. Enjoy it.

The sour grapes is more about getting angry at anyone suggesting your teams' current position is in any part based on something like luck or goalies playing above their heads, rather than just the team being this good. It's possible I didn't use that "sour grapes" idiom quite correctly, but it fit well with the food thing we had going on lol.

I'd say even if Lehner and Greiss were playing at their average level you guys would still be in a playoff spot, just probably not leading the division.
- Thecakeisalie

And I am saying instead of running algorithms you should actually watch the games.

I think Robin always had the talent and he seems to have gotten the help he needed in terms of his mental health. I think Greiss has shown flashes in the past and has never really shown the ability to be a clear cut #1 goalie. The key with the Isles is they have a great coach. Barry has been great back to his Preds teams and would have won a Cup with the Preds if ownership were not so cheap. Isles were not as bad as they looked under Garth, Cappy, and Weight. Isles may not be a great team and clear cut Cup favorites but they are in great shape with Lou and Barry going forward.
- ses111

Yeah, Trotz is probably having a huge positive effect, more than I ever expected before the season began. Going from 35.6 shots against to 30.6 is a pretty impressive improvement. If my math is correct then that's around 7% less in one year?

I don't know much about Lehner's mental health issues. If getting help with that has possibly helped him as a goaltender, well, not something I know about. Maybe this really will be him going forward then. If so, then good for him.

And I am saying instead of running algorithms you should actually watch the games.
- Tedge77

Shocking! I'll take that under consideration. Maybe I can find some good mathematical formulas to run that will tell me if I should indeed, watch the games. I'll go look...