Okay, but how much is Buffalo adding?
I do Laine for Dahlin, but Trouba is worth way more than Thompson
- Rexypoo

Dahlin is worth more than Laine.

Dahlin is worth more than Laine.
- bikeguy99

Yes. Right about now I'd say Dahlin is worth more than Laine and Tage Thompson is worth more than Trouba in a trade. Most of that argument though is where they are in contract status. $1.85 MM for both Sabres vs about $15 MM for both Jets and Trouba a UFA in another year.

On another note , it was funny for the first couple of wins , but is anyone getting tired of Carolina's celebrations when they win . Looks pretty minor league to me. Getting to be embarrassing to the league.

Yes. Right about now I'd say Dahlin is worth more than Laine and Tage Thompson is worth more than Trouba in a trade. Most of that argument though is where they are in contract status. $1.85 MM for both Sabres vs about $15 MM for both Jets and Trouba a UFA in another year.

On another note , it was funny for the first couple of wins , but is anyone getting tired of Carolina's celebrations when they win . Looks pretty minor league to me. Getting to be embarrassing to the league.
- jetsnation

the celies are right up there with cooperall, yellow jersey refs and torn inseams on the pants. Hurricane players must be getting tired of it too. It's not catching on anywhere else... maybe because its just not cool.

You remain blissfully ignorant to the concept of defence
- Rexypoo

So does Trouba, have you even noticed the high number of turnovers he's had lately? He's suffered the most since Big Buff has been out. Buff has done a good job of sheltering Trouba throughout Trouba's entire career.

Can someone explain why Roslovic is so highly touted (mainly by people in Winnipeg). He has 17 points in 58 games. I get that he has played 4th line and on wing (with Little being the seasoned vet at C) but I'm not sold on this guy when your trading a Duchene or Stone level of talent
- AlfieisKing

That's easy in Winnipeg, we overvalue all of our talent. Like BWJumper pointed out in the last blog, being a member of the Winnipeg Jets is the safest job any player could have in the NHL.

Yes. Right about now I'd say Dahlin is worth more than Laine and Tage Thompson is worth more than Trouba in a trade. Most of that argument though is where they are in contract status. $1.85 MM for both Sabres vs about $15 MM for both Jets and Trouba a UFA in another year.

On another note , it was funny for the first couple of wins , but is anyone getting tired of Carolina's celebrations when they win . Looks pretty minor league to me. Getting to be embarrassing to the league.
- jetsnation

Absolutely not! I’ve got one of those “Bunch of Jerks” T-shirts in the mail.
Mr. Game 7 came up with the idea, the players are having fun with it, and the fans love it. No reason hockey can’t be fun. It’s a game. Kids play it. The NHL is for entertainment, so let the personalities show through, unlike so many other teams (New York x2, anywhere Lou is, basically any non-Dubas era Canadian market, etc.). The Jets would be wise to start doing something fun like this, especially now when morale is low

Dahlin is worth more than Laine.
- bikeguy99

Yes, but only due to age, and it’s damn close.
We’re talking about two potential generational talents. Dahlin may be more complete, but Laine has a bigger impact. It’s our generations Karlsson vs our generations Ovechkin, and the forward is almost always more impactful.

Yes, but only due to age, and it’s damn close.
We’re talking about two potential generational talents. Dahlin may be more complete, but Laine has a bigger impact. It’s our generations Karlsson vs our generations Ovechkin, and the forward is almost always more impactful.
- Rexypoo

Is it close? I believe he is on track to beat the most points by an 18 year old D, and is 6'3", great skater, and was drafted #1 for a reason. In two or three years, I see him being a regular candidate for the Norris.

And please do not compare Laine to Ovechkin. Yes OV was a defensive liability, as is Laine. They were both somewhat streaky as well. Only difference is OV always drove the plays. He ripped up the wing like a power forward, and created his own chances. Laine however, is terrible 5v5, and simply relies on some quality play-makers to set him up. He generates nothing on his own. Don't get me wrong, if the Jets can keep laine with a 5M AAV cap hit, that's fantastic. But we all know he will be seeking closer to the 9M range, which is unacceptable given his 200' game

Obviously this trade would never happen. Buffalo simply couldnt give up two entry level contracts for two expensive pending RFA's. It was just a pipe dream. I just NEED to see Connor inked before Trouba or Laine become an issue.

Yes, but only due to age, and it’s damn close.
We’re talking about two potential generational talents. Dahlin may be more complete, but Laine has a bigger impact. It’s our generations Karlsson vs our generations Ovechkin, and the forward is almost always more impactful.
- Rexypoo

Laine is no Ovechkin. OV can skate, generate his own offence and has consistently made players around him better. Laine does none of those things.

Furthermore OV is a heart and soul player, Laine is not that either.

Is it close? I believe he is on track to beat the most points by an 18 year old D, and is 6'3", great skater, and was drafted #1 for a reason. In two or three years, I see him being a regular candidate for the Norris.

And please do not compare Laine to Ovechkin. Yes OV was a defensive liability, as is Laine. They were both somewhat streaky as well. Only difference is OV always drove the plays. He ripped up the wing like a power forward, and created his own chances. Laine however, is terrible 5v5, and simply relies on some quality play-makers to set him up. He generates nothing on his own. Don't get me wrong, if the Jets can keep laine with a 5M AAV cap hit, that's fantastic. But we all know he will be seeking closer to the 9M range, which is unacceptable given his 200' game

Obviously this trade would never happen. Buffalo simply couldnt give up two entry level contracts for two expensive pending RFA's. It was just a pipe dream. I just NEED to see Connor inked before Trouba or Laine become an issue.
- bikeguy99

Dahlin will absolutely be a Norris challenger every year, no doubt about it.
Laine will be a Richard trophy winner roughly 50% of the time he’s an NHLer.

The better comparison for Laine at this point is prime Kovalchuk on steroids. All firepower. Kovy never really drove the play or did anything to carry his linemates, but he wasn’t a drag either. Same goes for his defence: solid, but unspectacular.
Laine will get, and deserve, an 8 digit cap hit. He is simply the best there is at the most difficult thing there is: scoring goals. He’s a prodigious volume shooter, and he’s insanely OP from all over the ice. There’s actually evidence showing that the difference between a replacement level player and Auston Matthews in terms of shot quality is the same as the gap between Matthews and Laine. Every shot he takes is like he’s 10 feet closer in than he really is. He’s already the most dangerous shooter in the world, so give him a playmaker. Little is another shot first player with a declining skill set and a style of play that doesn’t mesh.

That said, why is everyone so in love with long-terming Connor? He’s in the same boat with the same issues as Laine, only he’s not as good.
Chemistry issues away from 55 and 26? Check
Defensive wandering? Check
Doesn’t drive play? Check
Questionable puck decisions? Check
Generational sniper? I mean, he’s good...
(And before anyone calls me out on KC, I created a goddamn hashtag for the man. Get out of my face. #isyaboi)

Laine is no Ovechkin. OV can skate, generate his own offence and has consistently made players around him better. Laine does none of those things.

Furthermore OV is a heart and soul player, Laine is not that either.
- TheUltimateJet

Laine is literally 100% of his own offence. Look at the heat map for line 2 real quick. It’s just a giant circle wherever Laine happens to be for that game.

Dahlin will absolutely be a Norris challenger every year, no doubt about it.
Laine will be a Richard trophy winner roughly 50% of the time he’s an NHLer.

The better comparison for Laine at this point is prime Kovalchuk on steroids. All firepower. Kovy never really drove the play or did anything to carry his linemates, but he wasn’t a drag either. Same goes for his defence: solid, but unspectacular.
Laine will get, and deserve, an 8 digit cap hit. He is simply the best there is at the most difficult thing there is: scoring goals. He’s a prodigious volume shooter, and he’s insanely OP from all over the ice. There’s actually evidence showing that the difference between a replacement level player and Auston Matthews in terms of shot quality is the same as the gap between Matthews and Laine. Every shot he takes is like he’s 10 feet closer in than he really is. He’s already the most dangerous shooter in the world, so give him a playmaker. Little is another shot first player with a declining skill set and a style of play that doesn’t mesh.

That said, why is everyone so in love with long-terming Connor? He’s in the same boat with the same issues as Laine, only he’s not as good.
Chemistry issues away from 55 and 26? Check
Defensive wandering? Check
Doesn’t drive play? Check
Questionable puck decisions? Check
Generational sniper? I mean, he’s good...
(And before anyone calls me out on KC, I created a goddamn hashtag for the man. Get out of my face. #isyaboi)
- Rexypoo

Comparable I like for Laine is Brett Hull. Considered Such a liability in Calgary that he was traded to the blues. Incidentally Calgary won the cup in 89 and went to the scf in 86 after the trade. I don’t think that the pieces received were big factors in the runs. This is not a trade Laine endorsement. Let’s keep him if we can.

Laine is literally 100% of his own offence. Look at the heat map for line 2 real quick. It’s just a giant circle wherever Laine happens to be for that game.
- Rexypoo

Ovechkin at age 20:

81gp 52g 54a 106pts

Laine at age 20 so far:

59gp 25g 11a 36pts


Note that Ovechkin was a rookie at age 20 and did not know the NHL game. The next best player on that team was Danus Zubrus. I don't see Laine scoring 27g and 43a in the last 20 games. Also of note Ovechkin has been a point per game player his entire career and Laine has yet to achieve that feat. Also notice that Ovechkins assists were similar to his goals meaning he was setting up his teammates for goals, something that is also foreign to Laine.

Rexypoo, thank you for coming out!

Dahlin will absolutely be a Norris challenger every year, no doubt about it.
Laine will be a Richard trophy winner roughly 50% of the time he’s an NHLer.

The better comparison for Laine at this point is prime Kovalchuk on steroids. All firepower. Kovy never really drove the play or did anything to carry his linemates, but he wasn’t a drag either. Same goes for his defence: solid, but unspectacular.
Laine will get, and deserve, an 8 digit cap hit. He is simply the best there is at the most difficult thing there is: scoring goals. He’s a prodigious volume shooter, and he’s insanely OP from all over the ice. There’s actually evidence showing that the difference between a replacement level player and Auston Matthews in terms of shot quality is the same as the gap between Matthews and Laine. Every shot he takes is like he’s 10 feet closer in than he really is. He’s already the most dangerous shooter in the world, so give him a playmaker. Little is another shot first player with a declining skill set and a style of play that doesn’t mesh.

That said, why is everyone so in love with long-terming Connor? He’s in the same boat with the same issues as Laine, only he’s not as good.
Chemistry issues away from 55 and 26? Check
Defensive wandering? Check
Doesn’t drive play? Check
Questionable puck decisions? Check
Generational sniper? I mean, he’s good...
(And before anyone calls me out on KC, I created a goddamn hashtag for the man. Get out of my face. #isyaboi)
- Rexypoo

Did you watch Kovalchuk in New Jersey? The man was playing 25 minutes per game and was the main driver for the team he took to the cup finals. He also managed to be a point per game player.

Ovechkin at age 20:

81gp 52g 54a 106pts

Laine at age 20 so far:

59gp 25g 11a 36pts


Note that Ovechkin was a rookie at age 20 and did not know the NHL game. The next best player on that team was Danus Zubrus. I don't see Laine scoring 27g and 43a in the last 20 games. Also of note Ovechkin has been a point per game player his entire career and Laine has yet to achieve that feat. Also notice that Ovechkins assists were similar to his goals meaning he was setting up his teammates for goals, something that is also foreign to Laine.

Rexypoo, thank you for coming out!
- TheUltimateJet

Different era. Different style of player.
Ovechkin was, and is better, but he was also played like the god king he is. Laine is being thrown to the wolves. It won’t be an argument in 3 years for which guy is better, and the answer is Laine.

I didn’t use Ovechkin for a direct comparison of ability, I used him for the way he and Laine both shoot holes in people/goalies/nets/small moons

Did you watch Kovalchuk in New Jersey? The man was playing 25 minutes per game and was the main driver for the team he took to the cup finals. He also managed to be a point per game player.
- TheUltimateJet

Yes. I also watched him in Atlanta. He wasn’t a play driver, he was a dominant offensive machine.
I remember one game in April where he literally fell off the bench onto the ice during a hangs in the 3rd because he was at 24 minutes 3 minutes into the period.
Don’t confuse production or playing time with play driving. Matheiu Perreault is a top level play driver. Kyle Connor is a top level shooter. Neither player has the major listed skill the other possesses.

Mark Stone can’t fix this team

Dahlin will absolutely be a Norris challenger every year, no doubt about it.
Laine will be a Richard trophy winner roughly 50% of the time he’s an NHLer.

The better comparison for Laine at this point is prime Kovalchuk on steroids. All firepower. Kovy never really drove the play or did anything to carry his linemates, but he wasn’t a drag either. Same goes for his defence: solid, but unspectacular.
Laine will get, and deserve, an 8 digit cap hit. He is simply the best there is at the most difficult thing there is: scoring goals. He’s a prodigious volume shooter, and he’s insanely OP from all over the ice. There’s actually evidence showing that the difference between a replacement level player and Auston Matthews in terms of shot quality is the same as the gap between Matthews and Laine. Every shot he takes is like he’s 10 feet closer in than he really is. He’s already the most dangerous shooter in the world, so give him a playmaker. Little is another shot first player with a declining skill set and a style of play that doesn’t mesh.

That said, why is everyone so in love with long-terming Connor? He’s in the same boat with the same issues as Laine, only he’s not as good.
Chemistry issues away from 55 and 26? Check
Defensive wandering? Check
Doesn’t drive play? Check
Questionable puck decisions? Check
Generational sniper? I mean, he’s good...
(And before anyone calls me out on KC, I created a goddamn hashtag for the man. Get out of my face. #isyaboi)
- Rexypoo

- RafiDRW

Well put. I can really see where you’re coming from with such an eloquent, thoughtful reply.

Carry on

Well put. I can really see where you’re coming from with such an eloquent, thoughtful reply.

Carry on
- Rexypoo

It’s been said by everyone else here. Laine is no where near Ovechkin’s level. Kovalchuk did a lot more all around the ice than Laine probably ever will.


Laine has a phenomenal shot but he’s the definition of one dimensional and his 5v5 stats back it up. If he’s not scoring, he’s better off on the bench.

Different era. Different style of player.
Ovechkin was, and is better, but he was also played like the god king he is. Laine is being thrown to the wolves. It won’t be an argument in 3 years for which guy is better, and the answer is Laine.

I didn’t use Ovechkin for a direct comparison of ability, I used him for the way he and Laine both shoot holes in people/goalies/nets/small moons
- Rexypoo

Laine is protected by Scheifele, Wheeler, Ehlers. OV had no one. Your comments make no sense. Ovechkin's comparable in his draft year was Mario Lemieux.

Different era. Different style of player.
Ovechkin was, and is better, but he was also played like the god king he is. Laine is being thrown to the wolves. It won’t be an argument in 3 years for which guy is better, and the answer is Laine.

I didn’t use Ovechkin for a direct comparison of ability, I used him for the way he and Laine both shoot holes in people/goalies/nets/small moons
- Rexypoo

Is that why Laine currently sits 9th on the Jets in shooting %, while OV is 3rd in the NHL??? That is a solid comparison.

Also, comparing him to Kovy is not fair. Kovy drove the majority of Atlantas plays, as he did in NJ as well. I agree both were lethal long range shooters. Laine can shoot, but his overall skillset is gonna leave him like Cheechoo if this sniper doesn't start developing his game. And for the record, Cheechoo has won a Richard with 56 goals and a 93 point season on his resume, +23, and just 8 pims. Lets hope Laine can topple those stats one day, but at 0.61 ppg this year, he better not be anywhere near 8 figures on his next AAV if he doesn't make massive strides in his 200' game.

That said, why is everyone so in love with long-terming Connor? He’s in the same boat with the same issues as Laine, only he’s not as good.
Chemistry issues away from 55 and 26? Check
Defensive wandering? Check
Doesn’t drive play? Check
Questionable puck decisions? Check
Generational sniper? I mean, he’s good...
(And before anyone calls me out on KC, I created a goddamn hashtag for the man. Get out of my face. #isyaboi)
- Rexypoo

please tell me where you order you weed from!!!

The fact that connor is likely going to sign in the neighborhood or 7M AAV, while Laine will be far more is plenty enough for people to be excited for Connor. Lets see.... He is superior in the following:
Vision
Passing
Hands within 2 feet of the crease
Skating
Defensive awareness

Laine is superior (while leading Connor by 2 goals with a far worse shooting %) at:
Shooting

People are excited about Connor because he is a fantastic hockey player that consistently delivers because of his great vision and speed. Connor has exceptional hands in tight, and is a great shooter until he is beyond the hash marks, which is really his only weakness I have yet too see. Neither are any good when it comes to physically intimidating their opposition.

PS. Laine is deadlast on the Jets in +/-. That is a stat I am not a fan of, but with only 4 players in the minus, Laine leads them all by 13, with a -18. I hope they give him a 2 year bridge deal to see how he develops, because signing the kid to big $$ right now is way too big of gamble. I have little doubt Chevy is as trusting as you Rexy, so in Chevy we trust.