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TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Feb 18 @ 11:49 AM ET
Johannsen has concussion issues of a serious nature. Stone and Simmonds are both UFA's looking for term and big numbers. They will likely be available for no compensation July 1, so why trade for them when your team isn't likely to make the playoffs. Whoever wrote the article was having an imagination fit.
- RickJ


Look at the article, filled with all kinds of Ads for NHL19. Thats where the writer and Taylor get most of their ideas.....
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Feb 18 @ 11:50 AM ET
Look at the article, filled with all kinds of Ads for NHL19. Thats where the writer and Taylor get most of their ideas.....
- TheTrob

It’s called the JJ method.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Feb 18 @ 11:52 AM ET
That's a honest and fair point. Chicago if any moves are made 1 it's to better the team for the future and 2 still gives them a chance should they make the playoffs.

Chicago making the playoffs has history to prove that getting in anything can happen ! Look nor further than a 8th seeded team in LA.

Chicago has Crawford coming back that's a upgrade in the teams opinion mind, also toews and Kane who have won 3 cups to help lead the team.

Now do I believe they can beat San Jose, knights, , Winnipeg probably not but upsets have happened year after year.

- Taylorst1

Please people, can we stop using this as a comparable? That 2012 LA team was one of the league’s best defensive teams, and had Vezina candidate Quick in goal. Quick’s GAA for the season was 1.95, and the team GAA was 2.02. They did have trouble scoring. But once in, they shut everyone down. Quick had a 1.41 GAA in the playoffs. Night and day versus this Blackhawk team, or most others that claw they way into the 8th seed. They went 12-2 in the 1st 3 rounds.

Do you really think this Hawk team is capable of holding opponents to 1.4 goals per game in the playoffs?

Please, think before posting.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Feb 18 @ 11:52 AM ET
Make it happen Stan! Maybe throw in Forsling to get Edmonton to retain Half of McDavid’s salary.
- Ogilthorpe2

Wasn't that long ago I could have had a certain someone share that in a daily blog, no questions asked.
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Feb 18 @ 11:53 AM ET
Please people, can we stop using this as a comparable? That 2012 LA team was one of the league’s best defensive teams, and had Vezina candidate Quick in goal. Quick’s GAA for the season was 1.95, and the team GAA was 2.02. They did have trouble scoring. But once in, they shut everyone down. Quick had a 1.41 GAA in the playoffs. Night and day versus this Blackhawk team, or most others that claw they way into the 8th seed. They went 12-2 in the 1st 3 rounds.

Do you really think this Hawk team is capable of holding opponents to 1.4 goals per game in the playoffs?

Please, think before posting.

- scottak


Preach it brother. Not comparable AT ALL. At 3.66 GA per game, this Hawk team shouldn't even think about playoff success until that number is down under 2.50.
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Feb 18 @ 11:56 AM ET
If CHI are sellers, Saad, AA, Murphy and Crow all expendable to me. Thanks for the memories boyz. Time to move on. Easier said than done though trading any of them. But those are 4 big ticket contracts i'd jettison if possible.

Going to see Boqvist today. His Knights are in my hood.
Went back and watched the 'lites from London's last few games.
Two games back, Boqvist skated right in front of his own net with the puck, promptly gave it away and the London red light was flashing a tick or three later.

Overconfident brain farts aside, he's had a nice first year in North America playing with an elite OHL outfit

Will post later after seeing him live.

- philco28


Saad really is the poster child for what a $6mil contract will get you these days. Unfortunately that seems to be the cost of a middle 6 forward. Crow will be tough to move given his concussion history recently, only one year left on his deal makes it a little easier. Murphy is really not overpaid, he has come around and is playing like a second pairing d-man. Take what you can get for AA, he just doesn't fit the current roster make up or the style the Hawks want to play.
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Feb 18 @ 11:58 AM ET
Saad really is the poster child for what a $6mil contract will get you these days. Unfortunately that seems to be the cost of a middle 6 forward.
- TheTrob


And this is also why the belief that the Hawks have some real cap room to work with is a fallacy.

If they are truly short three top six F and two top four D guys, how many holes can they honestly plug via free agency, keeping in mind they probably want to extend ADB and Strome?
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Feb 18 @ 11:59 AM ET
Preach it brother. Not comparable AT ALL. At 3.66 GA per game, this Hawk team shouldn't even think about playoff success until that number is down under 2.50.
- Return of the Roar


The only way the Hawks GAA is coming down below 3 is if they only play 30 minute games, and even then it will be close.

They have been porous defensively, and regardless of the rhetoric being passed along about Ward and Delia, neither one of them has really been great. Each one tends to let a soft goal or two in each game or misplays a puck that winds up in their own net.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:02 PM ET
Preach it brother. Not comparable AT ALL. At 3.66 GA per game, this Hawk team shouldn't even think about playoff success until that number is down under 2.50.
- Return of the Roar

Here are the goals against during that King playoff run

2, 2, 0, 3, 1
1, 2, 2, 1
2, 0, 1, 2, 3
1, 1, 0, 3, 2, 1

That’s how playoffs are won. Do you see the Hawks doing that?
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Feb 18 @ 12:05 PM ET
Here are the goals against during that King playoff run

2, 2, 0, 3, 1
1, 2, 2, 1
2, 0, 1, 2, 3
1, 1, 0, 3, 2, 1

That’s how playoffs are won. Do you see the Hawks doing that?

- scottak


No. And further, I would suggest the future composition of the team does not look to build on defense to suppress shots, high danger shots, or win NZ battles - rather they want a team where the defense is focused on offense first.

Strategic mistake at the top.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:09 PM ET
No. And further, I would suggest the future composition of the team does not look to build on defense to suppress shots, high danger shots, or win NZ battles - rather they want a team where the defense is focused on offense first.

Strategic mistake at the top.

- Return of the Roar


My final point. Here are the Hawk playoff GAA in the 3 Stanley Cup seasons.

2010 = 2.63
2013 = 1.84 wow, I forgot just how good they were
2015 = 2.52

As you say, if you can't average under a 3.00 GAA, you ain't winnin' anything.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:11 PM ET
Because I see no real avenue to immediate improvement of the team I am really ready for this TDL line to be over so the fantasy island lineups and weird trade proposals can vanish. I am actually fine staying quiet instead of trading off prospects for dreamland scenarios.

Sure, the Hawks may well move AA, but that won't improve the team. Yes, shedding that cap hit will help down the road. And trading Kruger or Kunitz will bring back nothing.

Saad being traded means now the Hawks must find another top 6 player. I suppose if Saad can net the Hawks a legit Top 4 D-man, that could be a short term improvement, but I honestly don't see that happening either. Teams with legit top 4 D-men are not really looking to dump them.

The best assets to trade are the veterans guys, but the three Keith, Crow, and Seabs all have leverage to reject trades, Crow has some health issues and lets be serious Seabrook is not movable. If Bowman were to find a taker for Brent without adding in multiple sweeteners, a statue to Bowman should be erected in front of the UC right after the other Gm is carted off to an insane asylum. Keith is the Hawks only legitimate Top 4 player and given the Hawks trading him won't likely return a top 4 player then moving #2 will signal "white flag", and optics won't look good for the PR masters in the Hawks office suites.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:21 PM ET
Because I see no real avenue to immediate improvement of the team I am really ready for this TDL line to be over so the fantasy island lineups and weird trade proposals can vanish. I am actually fine staying quiet instead of trading off prospects for dreamland scenarios.

Sure, the Hawks may well move AA, but that won't improve the team. Yes, shedding that cap hit will help down the road. And trading Kruger or Kunitz will bring back nothing.

Saad being traded means now the Hawks must find another top 6 player. I suppose if Saad can net the Hawks a legit Top 4 D-man, that could be a short term improvement, but I honestly don't see that happening either. Teams with legit top 4 D-men are not really looking to dump them.

The best assets to trade are the veterans guys, but the three Keith, Crow, and Seabs all have leverage to reject trades, Crow has some health issues and lets be serious Seabrook is not movable. If Bowman were to find a taker for Brent without adding in multiple sweeteners, a statue to Bowman should be erected in front of the UC right after the other Gm is carted off to an insane asylum. Keith is the Hawks only legitimate Top 4 player and given the Hawks trading him won't likely return a top 4 player then moving #2 will signal "white flag", and optics won't look good for the PR masters in the Hawks office suites.

- kwolf68


This happens every year.

Moving AA and Kruger would be considered quiet I think.

One of the 3 goalies and or a core piece would be loud. No ?
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:21 PM ET
Manning on waivers.


Lol
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Feb 18 @ 12:22 PM ET
Saad really is the poster child for what a $6mil contract will get you these days. Unfortunately that seems to be the cost of a middle 6 forward. Crow will be tough to move given his concussion history recently, only one year left on his deal makes it a little easier. Murphy is really not overpaid, he has come around and is playing like a second pairing d-man. Take what you can get for AA, he just doesn't fit the current roster make up or the style the Hawks want to play.
- TheTrob


Sound points all around Trob. Murph's been solid enough, but not untouchable
We'll see what The Bean Counter conjures up 2/25 or before.
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Feb 18 @ 12:25 PM ET
Manning on waivers.


Lol

- mrpaulish


Chiarelli on Skid Row
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Feb 18 @ 12:26 PM ET
Preach it brother. Not comparable AT ALL. At 3.66 GA per game, this Hawk team shouldn't even think about playoff success until that number is down under 2.50.
- Return of the Roar


To your question: no

The biggest trading chip could have been a healthy goaltender with Stanley Cup experience.

We don''t have the good stuff other teams have OR the assets we have is our future. Wait till next year will be a farce if we trade away our picks and top young players. I would sit tight and move out the names mentioned but not Gus. By the trade deadline it will be apparent we are lacking what it takes no matter a couple pieces were added. Usually playoff hockey is synanamous with good defense and.ratcheting up the physical effort.

We are inadequate both areas not to mention our goaltending is spotty.]]]
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Feb 18 @ 12:32 PM ET
I could put a rumour online that Edmonton is trading McDavid for AA and Perlini and you would find that with a Google search. Would you believe that?
- paulr


Yes, without question.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Feb 18 @ 12:39 PM ET
I could put a rumour online that Edmonton is trading McDavid for AA and Perlini and you would find that with a Google search. Would you believe that?
- paulr

The interwebs are never wrong.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Feb 18 @ 12:45 PM ET
If Q coaches again, I don't think he'll go to the Edmonton or Ottawa dumpster fires. He'll sign with a team that has a lot of talent and is a Cup contender... like Winnipeg.
- boilermaker100


Winnipeg is my choice too.

Also think Q is smart enough to stay away from the Philadelphia market. Seems like a bad place to coach
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Feb 18 @ 12:51 PM ET
Because I see no real avenue to immediate improvement of the team I am really ready for this TDL line to be over so the fantasy island lineups and weird trade proposals can vanish. I am actually fine staying quiet instead of trading off prospects for dreamland scenarios.

Sure, the Hawks may well move AA, but that won't improve the team. Yes, shedding that cap hit will help down the road. And trading Kruger or Kunitz will bring back nothing.

Saad being traded means now the Hawks must find another top 6 player. I suppose if Saad can net the Hawks a legit Top 4 D-man, that could be a short term improvement, but I honestly don't see that happening either. Teams with legit top 4 D-men are not really looking to dump them.

The best assets to trade are the veterans guys, but the three Keith, Crow, and Seabs all have leverage to reject trades, Crow has some health issues and lets be serious Seabrook is not movable. If Bowman were to find a taker for Brent without adding in multiple sweeteners, a statue to Bowman should be erected in front of the UC right after the other Gm is carted off to an insane asylum. Keith is the Hawks only legitimate Top 4 player and given the Hawks trading him won't likely return a top 4 player then moving #2 will signal "white flag", and optics won't look good for the PR masters in the Hawks office suites.

- kwolf68


They may quiet down for a while, but they'll start up in earnest in June.

I agree with the rest of your thoughts. Good post.
RedRevenge
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 04.18.2017

Feb 18 @ 12:52 PM ET
Chicago is looking into stone I just read and it would require stone being signed a 1st round pick and sikura or kahun or drake as possibilities of trade discussions.

That deal would be great.

- Taylorst1


There is no way this is true... A 1st + Sikura does not give you a signed Stone...

Because I'm sure the Hawks would easily do this trade... OTT, not so much.

Also, I don't think the Hawks will trade away their 1st unless they fleece another team (like in the above trade scenario). The Hawks need more young talent, why would we give our 1st away for some rental?? Those days are behind us.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Feb 18 @ 12:57 PM ET
If the hawks do anything it will be marginal ay best. Then bowman will come out and say"we had a lot of conversations b
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Feb 18 @ 12:58 PM ET
If the hawks do anything it will be marginal ay best. Then bowman will come out and say"we had a lot of conversations but nothing made any sense for now and going forward".
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Feb 18 @ 12:58 PM ET
I see on capfriendly that the Panthers put Luongo on the "NHL non roster list". His cap hit is still being counted and the Panthers are carrying the max 23 players on their active roster without him.

Anybody know anything about the reasoning behind this move?
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