I think Gorton may have made a mistake not trying to extend a few of these guys. Maybe what we have now might be better than what we draft for them in 2, 3 or 4 years. I hope our three first rounders last year turn out to be great NHL players. I hope the same for Joey Keane and Nico Gross too. I also was ecstatic when Pavel Brenda and Jamie Lundmark were picked. And I sat in the stands in November of 1974 and watched Nifty score 4 goals in a 10-0 drubbing of the California Golden Seals only to watch him turn into Wayne Cashman shortly thereafter. And I was at the game last week celebrating one Cup in 78 years. But I still love my Rangers and still dread the picks they make will follow suit. I don't want to hear Bob McKenzie say "the Rangers went off the board" again. I'm getting to old for this stuff.
- Downeaster

Geez, man. Richter was drafted in 1985 and Leetchin 1986. My posts are long winded enough. You want to go back to the GAG line? My point was simply that he Rangers, historically, have not drafted well, especially when it comes to goal scorers.

Geez, man. Richter was drafted in 1985 and Leetchin 1986. My posts are long winded enough. You want to go back to the GAG line? My point was simply that he Rangers, historically, have not drafted well, especially when it comes to goal scorers.
- Downeaster

and my point is that I know all that, but, it has nothing to do with how the perform at the draft table this coming June

if they had drafted fantastic for 30 years, it would have nothing to do with what they do this June.

and my point is that I know all that, but, it has nothing to do with how the perform at the draft table this coming June

if they had drafted fantastic for 30 years, it would have nothing to do with what they do this June.
- jimbro83

But it explains why people aren’t the most optimistic for this years draft.

we should sign Brayden Point to an offer sheet on July 1st

Tampa has like 5 million left to sign Point, Erne and Paquette with only 4 defensemen signed and Vasilevskiy is a RFA after next year

they are ripe to be taken
- jimbro83

For a guy who seems to be big on draft choices you know the Rangers are going to lose a pile of them if they sign point. Not exactly the thing you want to do when you need your picks for the rebuild and you are going to probably spend, at the very least, 2 firsts, two seconds and two thirds for one guy. Do you really think this is a good idea when you are trying to build a team?

and my point is that I know all that, but, it has nothing to do with how the perform at the draft table this coming June

if they had drafted fantastic for 30 years, it would have nothing to do with what they do this June.
- jimbro83

I dont have a problem with draft picks I have a problem with Clark and Sather and their scouting staff making picks and handing rebuild.

For a guy who seems to be big on draft choices you know the Rangers are going to lose a pile of them if they sign point. Not exactly the thing you want to do when you need your picks for the rebuild and you are going to probably spend, at the very least, 2 firsts, two seconds and two thirds for one guy. Do you really think this is a good idea when you are trying to build a team?
- Downeaster

Ya I don’t think Point suddenly gets us into the playoffs, then you risk a lottery pick the following summer if we miss.

For a guy who seems to be big on draft choices you know the Rangers are going to lose a pile of them if they sign point. Not exactly the thing you want to do when you need your picks for the rebuild and you are going to probably spend, at the very least, 2 firsts, two seconds and two thirds for one guy. Do you really think this is a good idea when you are trying to build a team?
- Downeaster

I almost feel like you haven't bothered reading my posts all these years

I never regretted trading those draft picks going for the Cup in 2014 and 2015, I was all for it

the point is though, if we had made those first round picks those years, those guys would now be maturing and the current state of the team would be a lot better

we are in a rebuilding faze now, now is the time to accumulate as many assets as we can, picks or prospects, and hopefully sooner rather than later we will be back in a position to make another run at it

Brayden Point is a seriously phenomenal hockey player, if we stock pile picks at this draft, we can afford to give up some future picks for an elite talent like him

I dont have a problem with draft picks I have a problem with Clark and Sather and their scouting staff making picks and handing rebuild.
- dman78

well, I am not going to continue to try and talk you down from the roof over it bro

I almost feel like you haven't bothered reading my posts all these years

I never regretted trading those draft picks going for the Cup in 2014 and 2015, I was all for it

the point is though, if we had made those first round picks those years, those guys would now be maturing and the current state of the team would be a lot better

we are in a rebuilding faze now, now is the time to accumulate as many assets as we can, picks or prospects, and hopefully sooner rather than later we will be back in a position to make another run at it

Brayden Point is a seriously phenomenal hockey player, if we stock pile picks at this draft, we can afford to give up some future picks for an elite talent like him
- jimbro83

Is he a 100 point player though without Kucherov?

Is he a 100 point player though without Kucherov?
- nyrangers9479

you guys get stuck on these point totals all the time to validate stuff

he's not even 23 years old yet and he's a phenomenal player

well that was for Ken Hodge not Cashman, but bad trades have nothing to do with drafting poorly

some of the trades over the years have been worse than the bad draft picks, because they weren't patient enough to let guys develop, I think patience is needed now
- jimbro83

Yeah, my bad, Espo's buddy, Ken Hodge with my point being bad drafting went hand in hand with with other mistakes made over the years with the Rangers front office.one of the big recent mistakes is not letting David Quinn pick his own defensive coach. Lindy Ruff sucks. He owes his job security to Jim Schoenfeld who was his teammate back on defense in Buffalo. The NHL coaches are getting younger. Ruff is a dinosaur who has never won a thing. Maybe they kept him on in case Quinn faltered. He hasn't and we need Ruff replaced next season.

Yeah, my bad, Espo's buddy, Ken Hodge with my point being bad drafting went hand in hand with with other mistakes made over the years with the Rangers front office.one of the big recent mistakes is not letting David Quinn pick his own defensive coach. Lindy Ruff sucks. He owes his job security to Jim Schoenfeld who was his teammate back on defense in Buffalo. The NHL coaches are getting younger. Ruff is a dinosaur who has never won a thing. Maybe they kept him on in case Quinn faltered. He hasn't and we need Ruff replaced next season.
- Downeaster

this season was never going to be a good one, but Ruff definitely needs to go

I am not a big fan of offer sheets, the rules are slanted HEAVILY so that teams don't casually utilize them, but Point, Marner, and Kapanen ( at a lower $$ level ) are 3 players I would consider. The Lightning and Maple Leafs are in a very vulnerable position this coming off-season and we could possibly capitalize on that weakness.

I am not a big fan of offer sheets, the rules are slanted HEAVILY so that teams don't casually utilize them, but Point, Marner, and Kapanen ( at a lower $$ level ) are 3 players I would consider. The Lightning and Maple Leafs are in a very vulnerable position this coming off-season and we could possibly capitalize on that weakness.
- TommyGTrain

I want the Rangers to be aggressive in pursuing the big UFA fish on July 1st, but if they get shut out, yeah, I'd like them to really consider offering an offer sheet to one of those 3 guys for sure

I almost feel like you haven't bothered reading my posts all these years

I never regretted trading those draft picks going for the Cup in 2014 and 2015, I was all for it

the point is though, if we had made those first round picks those years, those guys would now be maturing and the current state of the team would be a lot better

we are in a rebuilding faze now, now is the time to accumulate as many assets as we can, picks or prospects, and hopefully sooner rather than later we will be back in a position to make another run at it

Brayden Point is a seriously phenomenal hockey player, if we stock pile picks at this draft, we can afford to give up some future picks for an elite talent like him
- jimbro83

We may only get a first rounder for Hayes and a second rounder for Zucc. And they are going to be mid round picks....or later. If we lose 2 firsts, 2 seconds and two thirds for Point, we are still out a first, a second and two thirds which would be higher picks than what we would get for those two guys. IMO we are not one player away from being a contender and it is too much too lose.....again.....hoping we make good choices at the draft table. IMHO....

We may only get a first rounder for Hayes and a second rounder for Zucc. And they are going to be mid round picks....or later. If we lose 2 firsts, 2 seconds and two thirds for Point, we are still out a first, a second and two thirds which would be higher picks than what we would get for those two guys. IMO we are not one player away from being a contender and it is too much too lose.....again.....hoping we make good choices at the draft table. IMHO....
- Downeaster

you go from hating draft picks to not wanting to give a few away to sign an elite 23 year old player

we get Brayden Point he's our best forward for 7 years, you build around him

I am not a big fan of offer sheets, the rules are slanted HEAVILY so that teams don't casually utilize them, but Point, Marner, and Kapanen ( at a lower $$ level ) are 3 players I would consider. The Lightning and Maple Leafs are in a very vulnerable position this coming off-season and we could possibly capitalize on that weakness.
- TommyGTrain

There are a lot of teams in the league.....especially the Islanders...with a tin of cap space....a lot more than us...to toss at free agents, restricted or unrestricted.

you go from hating draft picks to not wanting to give a few away to sign an elite 23 year old player

we get Brayden Point he's our best forward for 7 years, you build around him
- jimbro83

Never said I hated draft picks. Don't put words in my mouth. I said I do not like the current regime doing the picking.....and I know you weren't happy at all with Andersson and Kratsov picks...even wanted someone else when Chrysler name was called and later on with Bode Wilde. Clarke acted like he was picking for the Islanders. And it is not a few away. It is probably 6. That's the kind of money you are going to have to throw at Pointe when you could spend that money and get Panarin without losing draft choices.

Hartford is terrible for coaching and mgmt. need major changes. Very concerning
- nyrangers2

Lol try again with the management request. Drury is apart of that and he's without a doubt apart of the Boston boys club. It feels like he's always sniffing around the Rangers team oppose to the Hartford team. My guess is that he doesn't really care about them and could be waiting for Sather to step down so JG can move up to the Presidential role while he can slide into the official GM position.

Is he a 100 point player though without Kucherov?
- nyrangers9479

No but he's probably a consistent 65+ player at the very least. How many of those do we have again?

Just saw that Kyle Okposo got sent home today by the Sabres. He still hasn't recovered from that devastating punch from Tony D'Angelo the other night...

We may only get a first rounder for Hayes and a second rounder for Zucc. And they are going to be mid round picks....or later. If we lose 2 firsts, 2 seconds and two thirds for Point, we are still out a first, a second and two thirds which would be higher picks than what we would get for those two guys. IMO we are not one player away from being a contender and it is too much too lose.....again.....hoping we make good choices at the draft table. IMHO....
- Downeaster

Could you imagine if they ended up re-signing with a team like Philly? If they kept Simmonds, added Hayes and Zucc to their top 6. It would allow them to develop Patrick in a legit sheltered role and it would give him a top tier player on the second PP. Zucc would fill in the edge that Philly fans miss and a playmaker with Giroux, Hayes would give the Coots line some major help 5v5, their top 6 wingers a legitimate top 6 200 ft center to work with in Simmonds and Jake and the PK a huge piece to add with.

It's a shame the Rangers aren't in position to take advantage of Hayes/Zucc

No but he's probably a consistent 65+ player at the very least. How many of those do we have again?
- Haitiankidd34

So is a 65 point player worth 2 firsts a 2nd and a 3rd? Those firsts are unprotected.....

So is a 65 point player worth 2 firsts a 2nd and a 3rd? Those firsts are unprotected.....
- nyrangers9479

how is Brayden Point only a 65 point player?

Never said I hated draft picks. Don't put words in my mouth. I said I do not like the current regime doing the picking.....and I know you weren't happy at all with Andersson and Kratsov picks...even wanted someone else when Chrysler name was called and later on with Bode Wilde. Clarke acted like he was picking for the Islanders. And it is not a few away. It is probably 6. That's the kind of money you are going to have to throw at Pointe when you could spend that money and get Panarin without losing draft choices.
- Downeaster

you are confusing me with someone else