Not sure why the Hawks need to give up a 1st if they are also taking on Horton's money.
- HawkintheD

Because.....Blowman?

I don't understand. Do you see the numbers? 10 million to fill out the roster..

From what I believe, you can't put Horton on LTIR until day 1 of the season. Therefore you need to be under the cap limit with him on your roster.

This is why the Hawks had to move Hossa (if I remember correctly).

Yes, but the team will probably be worst than they are now... Hopefully, your stars pull the team through.
- RedRevenge

Nope they can use the 10% buffer in the off-season and than place him on LTIR the same day as compliance is required.

They have multiple ELC type players on the Marlies ready to assume depth roles and the plan is to keep the Marlies stocked with those type of depth players.

Calle Rosen is a L shooting Swede D that’s nearly ppg in the AHL this year. Bracco is coming along nicely.

A guy like Connor Brown could easily be swapped for Trevor Moore and they’d gain a pick.

The have a guy that helped write the CBA looking for every contractual advantage possible using their financial resources. Leafs will be fine.

I for one am stoked to finally have a multi star team in Toronto.

Not sure why the Hawks need to give up a 1st if they are also taking on Horton's money.
- HawkintheD

The Hawks wouldn't be the only team trying to get Kapanen in a trade - for Toronto to choose the Hawks - the Hawks offer has to be the best. Besides, the Hawks can afford Horton's $5.3 for the 2019/20 season because it will be off the books for 2020/21 when they need a bunch of cap space to resign DCat, Strome and others.

Maybe a second? If we offer sheet him for 4 million we give up a second. So a second + Gus/Forsling may be a solid trade (Toronto avoids the offersheet problem).
- RedRevenge

I like Ebony's proposal and go one more, offer sheet Kapanen at $5 mil, Johnsson at $4 mil. which costs our #1 and #2 but we have the cap space especially if we get rid of Anisimov after 7/1. Toronto would not be able to match both, so we could probably get one of the two at least.

Because.....Blowman?
- Ogilthorpe2

Nope they can use the 10% buffer in the off-season and than place him on LTIR the same day as compliance is required.


- Blazed

I don't think it works that way - Horton's $5.3M is counted when they must be cap compliant so in essence the Leafs would have $5.3M less cap space to get their 2019/20 roster in order in the summer time. The 10% buffer won't help that situation. On opening day the 10% buffer goes away and the team must be cap compliant - which in Toronto's case includes Horton's $5.3M

Rangers just tied the Wild 1-1 early in the 2nd.

I don't think it works that way - Horton's $5.3M is counted when they must be cap compliant so in essence the Leafs would have $5.3M less cap space to get their 2019/20 roster in order in the summer time. The 10% buffer won't help that situation. On opening day the 10% buffer goes away and the team must be cap compliant - which in Toronto's case includes Horton's $5.3M
- EbonyRaptor

Nah Lou Lamouriello has talked about in interviews. They literally have a lawyer with CBA history reviewing the parameters of what they can do.

More or less Horton doesn’t affect them.

I don't think it works that way - Horton's $5.3M is counted when they must be cap compliant so in essence the Leafs would have $5.3M less cap space to get their 2019/20 roster in order in the summer time. The 10% buffer won't help that situation. On opening day the 10% buffer goes away and the team must be cap compliant - which in Toronto's case includes Horton's $5.3M
- EbonyRaptor

Correct, that is why we had to launch Leddy for peanuts just before the season to be cap compliant.

I don't think it works that way - Horton's $5.3M is counted when they must be cap compliant so in essence the Leafs would have $5.3M less cap space to get their 2019/20 roster in order in the summer time. The 10% buffer won't help that situation. On opening day the 10% buffer goes away and the team must be cap compliant - which in Toronto's case includes Horton's $5.3M
- EbonyRaptor

Don't bother with him. If we ignore him maybe he'll go back to the Leafs board. 2-0 Caps over Lesfs by the way.

The Hawks wouldn't be the only team trying to get Kapanen in a trade - for Toronto to choose the Hawks - the Hawks offer has to be the best. Besides, the Hawks can afford Horton's $5.3 for the 2019/20 season because it will be off the books for 2020/21 when they need a bunch of cap space to resign DCat, Strome and others.
- EbonyRaptor

I get all that. I think if you are taking on Horton's cap hit you wouldn't need to include a 1st. Taking on $5M even for one season has a lot of value.

Maybe a 2nd like someone else suggested but a first and Gus seems like a lot. Too much IMHO.

I’ve addressed it, the issues are overblown. There are errors in his own assessment, including how the Leafs front office allocates Hortons cap to LTIR in the off-season as well.

Even if Johnsson and Kapanen had to be fired directly into the sun for no compensation next season just to appease the cap hell gods, Toronto would still easily have a top 5 team in the East.
- Blazed

But, being a top 5 team means diddly squat.

You either win the Stanley Cup, or you don’t. Endless you enjoy your team being, ‘pretty good’.

I posted this trade proposal a day of two ago:

To Toronto: 2020 1st and Gustafsson ($1.2M through 2019/20)
To Chicago: Kapanen and Horton's contract

For Toronto, you get cap relief (Horton's $5.3M and whatever you would have to pay to resign Kapanen) plus a very good offensive d-man at a very reasonable cap hit to get you to 2020/21 when the cap becomes more manageable. Gustafsson? - think Gardiner - good offense but not so good defense.

For Chicago, there is cap space available in 2019/20 and in effect Kapanen becomes our 2020 1st round pick a year early. Gustafsson is probably not in the long range plans because he will need a raise after 2019/20 and the Hawks have a bunch or d-prospects coming online over the next 2-3 years.
- EbonyRaptor

No way I want to see the Hawks trading away 1st round picks, not when they need to add as much talent as possible . And could you imagine if the Hawks landed in lottery territory next year? Besides the Leafs already have a defenseman who's good offensively and can't defend in Jake Gardiner.

Don't bother with him. If we ignore him maybe he'll go back to the Leafs board. 2-0 Caps over Lesfs by the way.
- boilermaker100

I can leave if you want I originally to popped in after watching the game last night to say what a beauty Kane was.

Just chatting hockey, cleared up some misinformation, tossed in some opinions. Sorry to bother ya bud?

I just like being right .
- RedRevenge

Like when you repeatedly said Keith for Nylander was a good deal for both teams?

Don't bother with him. If we ignore him maybe he'll go back to the Leafs board. 2-0 Caps over Lesfs by the way.
- boilermaker100

Nah - he's posted here before and I have no problem with him or posters from other teams so long as it's friendly dialogue. I really do hope the Leafs can win it this year ... unless they run up against our Hawks in the Finals ... and yeah, that's probably not happening.

But, being a top 5 team means diddly squat.

You either win the Stanley Cup, or you don’t. Endless you enjoy your team being, ‘pretty good’.
- scottak

A top 5 team in a conference has as good a shot at a Cup as anyone.

Whether you like it or not luck plays a role. The stars have to align to win a Cup. All you can do is give yourself as many shots as possible.

I’m kind of lost on the thought process is Toronto wrong to have two franchise centres? Does this make them less or more likely to win a Cup?

I don't think it works that way - Horton's $5.3M is counted when they must be cap compliant so in essence the Leafs would have $5.3M less cap space to get their 2019/20 roster in order in the summer time. The 10% buffer won't help that situation. On opening day the 10% buffer goes away and the team must be cap compliant - which in Toronto's case includes Horton's $5.3M
- EbonyRaptor

This makes sense. This is why we had to move Hossa as I remember...

Nah - he's posted here before and I have no problem with him or posters from other teams so long as it's friendly dialogue. I really do hope the Leafs can win it this year ... unless they run up against our Hawks in the Finals ... and yeah, that's probably not happening.
- EbonyRaptor

I wouldn't mind if the Leafs won. They don't bother me, but also, I don't live in TOR and I know a Leaf Cup would be completely unbearable for Paul and Rick...so yeah, I'm for it!

Like when you repeatedly said Keith for Nylander was a good deal for both teams?
- GPHawksfan

Sometimes people can't see through my trolling

A top 5 team in a conference has as good a shot at a Cup as anyone.

Whether you like it or not luck plays a role. The stars have to align to win a Cup. All you can do is give yourself as many shots as possible.

I’m kind of lost on the thought process is Toronto wrong to have two franchise centres? Does this make them less or more likely to win a Cup?
- Blazed

Two good centres are a great thing but that defense looks awfully thin and I think is the Leafs Achilles heel.

No way I want to see the Hawks trading away 1st round picks, not when they need to add as much talent as possible . And could you imagine if the Hawks landed in lottery territory next year? Besides the Leafs already have a defenseman who's good offensively and can't defend in Jake Gardiner.
- paulr

I think adding Kapanen qualifies as adding talent and unless the Hawks end up with a top-5 pick in 2020 (probably not considering they should be better next season) - they would be lucky to get a player that is NHL ready and as good as Kapanen. Also - Gardiner is UFA after this season and I doubt he's on the top of the list to get re-signed - so, he gone. As is Hainsey most likely.

I wouldn't mind if the Leafs won. They don't bother me, but also, I don't live in TOR and I know a Leaf Cup would be completely unbearable for Paul and Rick...so yeah, I'm for it!
- HawkintheD

Don't you have to do your cardio .... on your hamster wheel?

I can leave if you want I originally to popped in after watching the game last night to say what a beauty Kane was.

Just chatting hockey, cleared up some misinformation, tossed in some opinions. Sorry to bother ya bud?
- Blazed

Nah, I enjoy the interaction, your perspective, and willing to engage in respectful dialogue.

I think adding Kapanen qualifies as adding talent and unless the Hawks end up with a top-5 pick in 2020 (probably not considering they should be better next season) - they would be lucky to get a player that is NHL ready and as good as Kapanen. Also - Gardiner is UFA after this season and I doubt he's on the top of Lou's list to get re-signed - so, he gone. As is Hainsey most likely.
- EbonyRaptor

I like Kapanen don't get me wrong but I really don't want to see a bottom 15 team trading draft picks.