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CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Feb 21 @ 12:44 PM ET
Anyone going to the game tonight?
- TheHank



I pray for them. To expensive to get drunk and forget there too.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Feb 21 @ 12:46 PM ET
did you ref my game last night?

pu looked decent

- homiedclown



Nope

I took some time off work has been insane for me

I skate Saturday and Sunday in Orlando
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Feb 21 @ 12:48 PM ET
If Skinner really wants to play here, you convince him that trading him now for something that will improve the team in the future is the best option.
"Hey Jeff, we will give you $8.5m a year on July 1st and get your new right winger by trading you on Tuesday. "

It really would be in everyone's best interest and I wouldn't be too worried about losing him to other suitors due to him wanting to be close to home, Toronto not having any room for him and the chemistry he has had with Jack.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 21 @ 12:48 PM ET
Haglin to the Caps
- SABRES 89


For a 3rd & conditional 6th
Sounds about right

He’ll fit nicely on the Caps 4th line & be used on the PK
Good addition for their playoff run
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 21 @ 12:49 PM ET
If Skinner really wants to play here, you convince him that trading him now for something that will improve the team in the future is the best option.
"Hey Jeff, we will give you $8.5m a year on July 1st and get your new right winger by trading you on Tuesday. "

It really would be in everyone's best interest and I wouldn't be too worried about losing him to other suitors due to him wanting to be close to home, Toronto not having any room for him and the chemistry he has had with Jack.

- adambuffalo


I love the idea,
but does that kind of thing ever happen?
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Feb 21 @ 12:50 PM ET
If Skinner really wants to play here, you convince him that trading him now for something that will improve the team in the future is the best option.
"Hey Jeff, we will give you $8.5m a year on July 1st and get your new right winger by trading you on Tuesday. "

It really would be in everyone's best interest and I wouldn't be too worried about losing him to other suitors due to him wanting to be close to home, Toronto not having any room for him and the chemistry he has had with Jack.

- adambuffalo


That benefit is not worth the uncertainty that somebody will poach him or something will change in the intervening 5 months. Sign him now and avoid the cutesies.
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Feb 21 @ 12:51 PM ET
I love the idea,
but does that kind of thing ever happen?

- jdfitz77


Besides Moluson of course. Cause we even overpaid for him in FA too.
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Feb 21 @ 12:54 PM ET
That benefit is not worth the uncertainty that somebody will poach him or something will change in the intervening 5 months. Sign him now and avoid the cutesies.
- Der Kaiser


If you can get Tolavenien and a 1st, is it worth the risk? Thinking one of the two COULD replace skinner as well. I would think the trade would have to be for a top end prospect and a 1st to make it worth it.

Doubt you could squeeze Puljarvi and a 1st for him, but that could be ideal.

Or Bellows and NYI 1st? Doubt they would do that unless they thought they could resign skinner.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Feb 21 @ 12:54 PM ET
If Skinner really wants to play here, you convince him that trading him now for something that will improve the team in the future is the best option.
"Hey Jeff, we will give you $8.5m a year on July 1st and get your new right winger by trading you on Tuesday. "

It really would be in everyone's best interest and I wouldn't be too worried about losing him to other suitors due to him wanting to be close to home, Toronto not having any room for him and the chemistry he has had with Jack.

- adambuffalo



He loses a year as he can only sign for 7 yrs then
Irish 14
Location: South Buffalo
Joined: 01.25.2007

Feb 21 @ 12:55 PM ET
Anyone going to the game tonight?
- TheHank

In Orlando this week, my wife and I are thinking about driving up? Just not sure if I want to ruin my vacation!
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Feb 21 @ 12:56 PM ET
I love the idea,
but does that kind of thing ever happen?

- jdfitz77



Last time I can remember was Keith Tkachuk in 07/08 when St. Louis moved him to Atlanta for like 3 prospects and a conditional 1st. The condition was if he resigned in St. Louis they sent the 1st back.
mattmoulson
Buffalo Sabres
Location: WNY, NY
Joined: 06.14.2015

Feb 21 @ 12:57 PM ET
Carl Hagelin making Caps debut on Saturday in Buffalo, which of course means he'll be scoring a goal
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Feb 21 @ 1:01 PM ET
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Feb 21 @ 1:02 PM ET
Besides Moluson of course. Cause we even overpaid for him in FA too.
- Lilroot9


Moulson has more goals and points than anyone on the Amerks. In all honesty I could see someone signing him to a vet minimum contract next year.
CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Feb 21 @ 1:03 PM ET
Moulson has more goals and points than anyone on the Amerks. In all honesty I could see someone signing him to a vet minimum contract next year.
- adambuffalo



jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 21 @ 1:03 PM ET
If you can get Tolavenien and a 1st, is it worth the risk? Thinking one of the two COULD replace skinner as well. I would think the trade would have to be for a top end prospect and a 1st to make it worth it.

Doubt you could squeeze Puljarvi and a 1st for him, but that could be ideal.

Or Bellows and NYI 1st? Doubt they would do that unless they thought they could resign skinner.

- Lilroot9


For me to want to try it...
we gotta get the type of return you talk about
PLUS
the trade would have to be to a team we don’t think could re-sign him

So that Nashville option looks good to me

We are pretty screwed if we lose Skinner though
So we’d have to have a wink wink agreement with him to come back
And it would likely have to be at the full asking price since it could only be a 7year deal
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Feb 21 @ 1:04 PM ET
Moulson has more goals and points than anyone on the Amerks. In all honesty I could see someone signing him to a vet minimum contract next year.
- adambuffalo


I doubt it, cause at this point in the season, wouldn’t someone offer a 6th rounder for him if we hold salary? To give him a try for the rest of this season? Who knows, but I doubt he would be interested unless it was LA (where he lives / plays now).
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 21 @ 1:06 PM ET
Last time I can remember was Keith Tkachuk in 07/08 when St. Louis moved him to Atlanta for like 3 prospects and a conditional 1st. The condition was if he resigned in St. Louis they sent the 1st back.
- dadeadhead


Yeah, he was the big name that came to mind when i was thinking about this

I feel like there was another guy too,
but I’m blanking
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Feb 21 @ 1:06 PM ET
For me to want to try it...
we gotta get the type of return you talk about
PLUS
the trade would have to be to a team we don’t think could re-sign him

So that Nashville option looks good to me

We are pretty screwed if we lose Skinner though
So we’d have to have a wink wink agreement with him to come back
And it would likely have to be at the full asking price since it could only be a 7year deal

- jdfitz77


You are correct, it would have to be 7 years ~$9m per. I would not hate that if we traded and got top assets for him first, but if that deal was announced today (without a trade of course) I would not be too happy.
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Feb 21 @ 1:07 PM ET
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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 21 @ 1:08 PM ET
He loses a year as he can only sign for 7 yrs then
- dadeadhead


So let’s say he’d agree to an 8x8 deal
In the summer,
we’d likely have to make it 9m for 7yrs then for him to recoup most of the $$$

I can live with that if it gets us a top prospect & another 1st
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 21 @ 1:09 PM ET
You are correct, it would have to be 7 years ~$9m per. I would not hate that if we traded and got top assets for him first, but if that deal was announced today (without a trade of course) I would not be too happy.
- Lilroot9


U beat me to it
Nice post
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 21 @ 1:10 PM ET
So let’s say he’d agree to an 8x8 deal
In the summer,
we’d likely have to make it 9m for 7yrs then for him to recoup most of the $$$

I can live with that if it gets us a top prospect & another 1st

- jdfitz77



Buyout (guaranteed) money is higher in an 8 year deal.
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Feb 21 @ 1:11 PM ET
Have not been to a Bison's game in over 20 years, but with potentially having Vlad Jr and Cavan Biggio in the lineup, I might have to check them out this Spring. Both their dad's in the HOF I believe.
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Feb 21 @ 1:11 PM ET
U beat me to it
Nice post

- jdfitz77


Same with you! I agree, about doing that but not sure I team gives up enough to take the risk with it since they would have an idea we were trying that.
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