The Blackhawk franchise is worth $1 bil (per Forbes). The cap prevents budget blowups. The franchise is profitable even at the cap ceiling. I do not think Rocky or McD worry about making an extra mil here or an extra mil there.
- -Doh-

in actual dollars on internal budget basis? I bet they do care about saving where they can.

Cubs are worth X, but also have an internal budget they won't go over.....everyone does.

Worth vs budget IMO are 2 different discussions.

I agree, Perlini has size, speed, skill. It may take a little while to beat some of the Ariz out of him. Give him a 2 year deal for around a mil or so and let him prove he belongs in the NHL.
- TheTrob

What skill? The skill to turn the puck over, lose every puck battle, and make terrible decisions all over the ice? He has size and speed and a hard shot, that's about it.

I wonder if Seabrook has been playing with this injury all year and has just gotten to the point where it is too debilitating to play.
- LAHawk

sports hernia? guy was training a lot this summer from what we saw.

sports hernia? guy was training a lot this summer from what we saw.
- SteveRain

That's a joke right? Clearly the unsupervised garage workouts aren't cutting it.

i did....

Delia will be your backup, if CC is good to go.

I don't want Kruger back. Need to groom a new guy in that role. The Kruger train, if it ever was a train, has left the station years ago. I hope they deal him before Monday as he's not going to ruin any playoff chances.

Agreed on the rest.
- SteveRain

Kruger is only 28 years old. He will be cheap to resign. I do not think his play has dropped off sharply from the Cup winning years. But he is playing with offense challenged wingers so his pts and advanced stats look bad. I would not mind upgrading the center position. But unless there is a significant upgrade, or if we think Highmore is ready I would not mind another year of Kruger. After that we may have some options (Entwistle, Highmore, etc..)

Even if they move Kruger at the TDL, they could resign him during the summer. I think they could get a 3rd round pick for him. Maybe not.

If the abdominal problem has been bugging him all season or even if it got better but has returned - why not shut him down so that maybe he can get it taken care of once and for all. He still has 5 more seasons to play and if he can play better after getting 100% over this issue - then by all means do what is necessary. It's not like him being on the ice is going to make a positive difference this season.
- EbonyRaptor

If you are talking about LTIR, I don't think you can do that if the docs clear him to play. If you are just talking about sitting him, they probably don't want to deal with the optics/questions.

in actual dollars on internal budget basis? I bet they do care about saving where they can.

Cubs are worth X, but also have an internal budget they won't go over.....everyone does.

Worth vs budget IMO are 2 different discussions.
- SteveRain

I meant to include that in my post. Worth and budget (cash flow) are very different. But I do not think a few mil in cash flow weighs heavily upon Wirtz or McD. Would they like to maximize profits. Sure. But they understand the long term ebbs and flows of businesses. They also have huge revenue streams to cover costs.

That's a joke right? Clearly the unsupervised garage workouts aren't cutting it.
- EnzoD

I don't mind ole seabs. Man is worn down to the treads so he's trying to stay on top of his game as best he can.

Kruger is only 28 years old. He will be cheap to resign. I do not think his play has dropped off sharply from the Cup winning years. But he is playing with offense challenged wingers so his pts and advanced stats look bad. I would not mind upgrading the center position. But unless there is a significant upgrade, or if we think Highmore is ready I would not mind another year of Kruger. After that we may have some options (Entwistle, Highmore, etc..)

Even if they move Kruger at the TDL, they could resign him during the summer. I think they could get a 3rd round pick for him. Maybe not.
- -Doh-

The PK is one of the worst in the league and Kruger's faceoff percentage isn't much different than Strome or Anisimov. He is a smart player, but he is small, plays small and with the PK and faceoffs not strengths, I'd probably move on.

He is the top dog.


https://puckpedia.com/agent/pat-brisson
- walleyeb1

I played beer league with Pat out here in LA. He used to crash on peoples couches and couldn't rub 2 nickels together. He is a sweetheart of a guy and am happy for his success.

If you are talking about LTIR, I don't think you can do that if the docs clear him to play. If you are just talking about sitting him, they probably don't want to deal with the optics/questions.
- Chunk

This is not about LTIR versus not LTIR - this is about a problem keeping Seabrook from playing well enough to be one of the starting 6 d-men for the next 5 seasons. Remember how slow he looked last season and that he seemed to be moving better at the start of this season - doesn't it seem he is now moving closer to last season than the early part of this season? If this is just a minor thing - then never mind, but if this is more than a minor thing or if it's recurring or chronic - then do something to fix it now rather than later or never.

I don't mind ole seabs. Man is worn down to the treads so he's trying to stay on top of his game as best he can.
- SteveRain

I've posted this many times, but it bears repeating.....you cannot push yourself as hard training alone as you do with a personal trainier. Obviously, he is not doing enough to overcome the age/mileage/wear and tear to improve his mobility/conditioning without a personal trainer. I was a personal trainer/group fitness instructor for a Corporate Office Gym while in College. Even with my knowledge, it is simply human nature to not push yourself as hard as you would having Paul Goodman screaming in your ear 'ONE MORE REP' or "30 more seconds!". That is why I complement my individual weight training with group fitness classes.


It is completely unacceptable to have a 33yr old declining player making $7mil a year working out in his garage alone. Seabrook needs to either have a personal trainer at his house 4 times a week next summer, or he needs to stay in Chicago and train with Paul Goodman 4x a week.

I meant to include that in my post. Worth and budget (cash flow) are very different. But I do not think a few mil in cash flow weighs heavily upon Wirtz or McD. Would they like to maximize profits. Sure. But they understand the long term ebbs and flows of businesses. They also have huge revenue streams to cover costs.
- -Doh-

Exactly and no business wants to show a huge profit at years when the tax man comes.

The PK is one of the worst in the league and Kruger's faceoff percentage isn't much different than Strome or Anisimov. He is a smart player, but he is small, plays small and with the PK and faceoffs not strengths, I'd probably move on.
- jrsamu

He is a career 50% FO player. I don't think he forgot how to kill penalties. The other 3 defenders, the goalie, and the scheme have a lot to do with our PK problems.

He is listed at 6' tall and in our cup winning years was effective against much taller/heavier centers.

I am not saying pass up a good deal at the TDL. I am not saying resign him to a big long term contract. I am suggesting that he has value to the Hawks, this year and probably next at the right price.

I've posted this many times, but it bears repeating.....you cannot push yourself as hard training alone as you do with a personal trainier. Obviously, he is not doing enough to overcome the age/mileage/wear and tear to improve his mobility/conditioning without a personal trainer. I was a personal trainer/group fitness instructor for a Corporate Office Gym while in College. Even with my knowledge, it is simply human nature to not push yourself as hard as you would having Paul Goodman screaming in your ear 'ONE MORE REP' or "30 more seconds!". That is why I complement my individual weight training with group fitness classes.


It is completely unacceptable to have a 33yr old declining player making $7mil a year working out in his garage alone. Seabrook needs to either have a personal trainer at his house 4 times a week next summer, or he needs to stay in Chicago and train with Paul Goodman 4x a week.
- EnzoD

I thought he did have a trainer that was working him with that wasn't shown on the garage video? Maybe I am wrong.

I am a gym rat still as I age. I still play mens league and softball and my skill set diminishes more each year. I am arguably stronger then I was younger but mind vs body.....mind doesn't always win.

Seabrook didn't sign himself so I don't blame him for his deal.

My expectations of him and Keith are if this were a cup contender they would be 3-4 pairing at best. Seabrook is probably more of a 5 of 6. So that's why I just cringe whenever people keep thinking they are the same guys from 10 years ago.

If you could sell on both tomorrow, I would but Bowman gave up term and flexibility to Keith for a lower cap hit (and why Keith would be a STEAL and would net some decent return in today's market) and gave up the farm (term, aav, and flexibility ) to Seabrook.

I would love to sit with a GM off the record and get an explanation of how easy they give up NMCs. Some teams don't, but the Hawks sure as hell do......

The PK is one of the worst in the league and Kruger's faceoff percentage isn't much different than Strome or Anisimov. He is a smart player, but he is small, plays small and with the PK and faceoffs not strengths, I'd probably move on.
- jrsamu

Krugers faceoffs could be better and our PK has been poor. but Kruger plays small ? He is one of the few Hawks who consistently goes to the oppositions net and gets his grill in the opposing goalies face.

I've posted this many times, but it bears repeating.....you cannot push yourself as hard training alone as you do with a personal trainier. Obviously, he is not doing enough to overcome the age/mileage/wear and tear to improve his mobility/conditioning without a personal trainer. I was a personal trainer/group fitness instructor for a Corporate Office Gym while in College. Even with my knowledge, it is simply human nature to not push yourself as hard as you would having Paul Goodman screaming in your ear 'ONE MORE REP' or "30 more seconds!". That is why I complement my individual weight training with group fitness classes.


It is completely unacceptable to have a 33yr old declining player making $7mil a year working out in his garage alone. Seabrook needs to either have a personal trainer at his house 4 times a week next summer, or he needs to stay in Chicago and train with Paul Goodman 4x a week.
- EnzoD

Could not agree more. Having Goodman video in on an ipad once in a while is a joke too. I can go buy a peleton bike and have a video workout live streamed. I'm an average joe. Seabs is supposed to be an elite athlete.

He should have the best triangles and nutritionists trying to keep him in peak physical shape. That is what a player does who is trying to stay at the top of his game and slow the decline. Seabs wrkouts at his home are half assed. If I was the front office I would be beyond pissed at him and would demand he wrkout in Chicago this off-season with Goodman.

To me that shows Seabs isn't willing to put in the time and money to be the best he can be at his age. I don't want that in my lockeroom or on my team. I get what he has done for this team but I don't want that type of player on my roster.

He is a career 50% FO player. I don't think he forgot how to kill penalties. The other 3 defenders, the goalie, and the scheme have a lot to do with our PK problems.

He is listed at 6' tall and in our cup winning years was effective against much taller/heavier centers.

I am not saying pass up a good deal at the TDL. I am not saying resign him to a big long term contract. I am suggesting that he has value to the Hawks, this year and probably next at the right price.
- -Doh-

Kruger is like Bolland. At least old Bolland had offensive skill. Kruger is majorly lacking there.

Fans just fall in love with these genre of players. the Aaron Rowand disease.

Assuming AA doesn't get dealt, you go 19-17-15 down the middle and that's pretty good. To me you trot out a Kampf to be your 4th and move on.

Kruger isn't adding much if anything to this team right now. he gets all the credit when this PK is good, but then excused when it falters because it's more then just him.

They can and should do better then Kruger. Remember what he was in the hay day, and move along.....

Could not agree more. Having Goodman video in on an ipad once in a while is a joke too. I can go buy a peleton bike and have a video workout live streamed. I'm an average joe. Seabs is supposed to be an elite athlete.

He should have the best triangles and nutritionists trying to keep him in peak physical shape. That is what a player does who is trying to stay at the top of his game and slow the decline. Seabs wrkouts at his home are half assed. If I was the front office I would be beyond pissed at him and would demand he wrkout in Chicago this off-season with Goodman.

To me that shows Seabs isn't willing to put in the time and money to be the best he can be at his age. I don't want that in my lockeroom or on my team. I get what he has done for this team but I don't want that type of player on my roster.
- bhawks2241

I've posted this many times, but it bears repeating.....you cannot push yourself as hard training alone as you do with a personal trainier. Obviously, he is not doing enough to overcome the age/mileage/wear and tear to improve his mobility/conditioning without a personal trainer. I was a personal trainer/group fitness instructor for a Corporate Office Gym while in College. Even with my knowledge, it is simply human nature to not push yourself as hard as you would having Paul Goodman screaming in your ear 'ONE MORE REP' or "30 more seconds!". That is why I complement my individual weight training with group fitness classes.


It is completely unacceptable to have a 33yr old declining player making $7mil a year working out in his garage alone. Seabrook needs to either have a personal trainer at his house 4 times a week next summer, or he needs to stay in Chicago and train with Paul Goodman 4x a week.
- EnzoD

Yeah OK

I've posted this many times, but it bears repeating.....you cannot push yourself as hard training alone as you do with a personal trainier. Obviously, he is not doing enough to overcome the age/mileage/wear and tear to improve his mobility/conditioning without a personal trainer. I was a personal trainer/group fitness instructor for a Corporate Office Gym while in College. Even with my knowledge, it is simply human nature to not push yourself as hard as you would having Paul Goodman screaming in your ear 'ONE MORE REP' or "30 more seconds!". That is why I complement my individual weight training with group fitness classes.


It is completely unacceptable to have a 33yr old declining player making $7mil a year working out in his garage alone. Seabrook needs to either have a personal trainer at his house 4 times a week next summer, or he needs to stay in Chicago and train with Paul Goodman 4x a week.
- EnzoD

Interesting to think about:



Jake Dotchin Situation Could Set A Dangerous Precedent
September 17th, 2018 at 8:49pm CST • By Zach Leach
The situation this past week with former Tampa Bay Lightning defenseman Jake Dotchin is unique unto itself. Rarely, if ever, has a player been released due to conditioning issues. Yet, that is what happened to the 24-year-old Dotchin when he showed up to camp and was deemed so out of shape by the team that they considered it to be a material breach of contract worthy of placing the young blue liner on unconditional waivers and terminating his contract.

Full article: https://www.prohockeyrumo...-dangerous-precedent.html

I thought he did have a trainer that was working him with that wasn't shown on the garage video? Maybe I am wrong.

I am a gym rat still as I age. I still play mens league and softball and my skill set diminishes more each year. I am arguably stronger then I was younger but mind vs body.....mind doesn't always win.

Seabrook didn't sign himself so I don't blame him for his deal.

My expectations of him and Keith are if this were a cup contender they would be 3-4 pairing at best. Seabrook is probably more of a 5 of 6. So that's why I just cringe whenever people keep thinking they are the same guys from 10 years ago.

If you could sell on both tomorrow, I would but Bowman gave up term and flexibility to Keith for a lower cap hit (and why Keith would be a STEAL and would net some decent return in today's market) and gave up the farm (term, aav, and flexibility ) to Seabrook.

I would love to sit with a GM off the record and get an explanation of how easy they give up NMCs. Some teams don't, but the Hawks sure as hell do......
- SteveRain

I think his close friend/trainer died within the last year. Pretty sure this summer he worked out alone mostly and had Goodman video in from time to time to help with workouts. To me that isn't much different then one of us waking up and hitting the gym for a couple hours each day.

That isn't going to cut it as a pro athlete. I read Kobe Bryant wrked out 6hrs a day 6 days a week in the off-season. Conditioning, strength training, and skill work.

I've posted this many times, but it bears repeating.....you cannot push yourself as hard training alone as you do with a personal trainier. Obviously, he is not doing enough to overcome the age/mileage/wear and tear to improve his mobility/conditioning without a personal trainer. I was a personal trainer/group fitness instructor for a Corporate Office Gym while in College. Even with my knowledge, it is simply human nature to not push yourself as hard as you would having Paul Goodman screaming in your ear 'ONE MORE REP' or "30 more seconds!". That is why I complement my individual weight training with group fitness classes.


It is completely unacceptable to have a 33yr old declining player making $7mil a year working out in his garage alone. Seabrook needs to either have a personal trainer at his house 4 times a week next summer, or he needs to stay in Chicago and train with Paul Goodman 4x a week.
- EnzoD

Well, now that that is settled. Score prediction for tonight?

Could not agree more. Having Goodman video in on an ipad once in a while is a joke too. I can go buy a peleton bike and have a video workout live streamed. I'm an average joe. Seabs is supposed to be an elite athlete.

He should have the best triangles and nutritionists trying to keep him in peak physical shape. That is what a player does who is trying to stay at the top of his game and slow the decline. Seabs wrkouts at his home are half assed. If I was the front office I would be beyond pissed at him and would demand he wrkout in Chicago this off-season with Goodman.

To me that shows Seabs isn't willing to put in the time and money to be the best he can be at his age. I don't want that in my lockeroom or on my team. I get what he has done for this team but I don't want that type of player on my roster.
- bhawks2241

You do realize that Seabrook is your defacto captain of this team, correct? If NHL Players respect him, I don't think it matters what fans think outside. The list of his leadership examples, and backing of teammates far outweighs a lot.

If you want to point to a guy who teams may not want maybe look at a guy like Saad....and go back and read the Columbus management thoughts on his work ethic and why they easily pulled the trigger on the deal for Panarin.

Guy is earning 6 million a year and a 0.63 ppg player and isn't doing anything great on the defensive/2 way game before we walk down that road. The stigma of hoping 2015 playoff saad would become everyday saad has NEVER worked out....yet. Not for Columbus, and not here.

I think his close friend/trainer died within the last year. Pretty sure this summer he worked out alone mostly and had Goodman video in from time to time to help with workouts. To me that isn't much different then one of us waking up and hitting the gym for a couple hours each day.

That isn't going to cut it as a pro athlete. I read Kobe Bryant wrked out 6hrs a day 6 days a week in the off-season. Conditioning, strength training, and skill work.
- bhawks2241

Further on Saad....outside of 2015 playoff run when he was about to be paid, can anyone here say he's improved? Guy is 26 and probably hit the peak of his ability in a 3 month stretch. That's sad, and doesn't even come close to playing the hard minutes, matchups that other highly paid members on this did.

I would trade Saad tomorrow and not think twice. Heres hoping Bowman does this summer.