This is really hard to figure out. We watched the last 3 or 4 years all the players jettisoned out of here for nothing because the New Jets Coach would not play them.

I know it is a huge leap of faith. Lets see players signed, not dressed for periods of time, jerked around and then finally traded. My favorite 2 are Kempny and Dayley.

All the board GMS asserted that these were not guys you can win a cup with. Yet both played top 4 minutes on cup winners. Danault is another. Given away for NOTHING.

There is less evidence in the Empire Hoax drama.
- TrueGrit

I’m going to secretly hire two guys to beat the sh*t out of me... and then blame it on Oldduffman and TrueGrit.

IMO hard pass on Kris Russel. Maybe if his salary was half what it is, but he is serviceable but not worth it.
- breadbag

Hard decision in Columbus regarding Panarin. They made a couple moves and are deep and good at least among firqard ranks. It is a marathon lasting to the final Stanley Cup round and having four solid good lines to roll is advantageous. But it is also a difference maker who wins games as compared to just another good player whom makes four good lines. So I am saying Panarin can be that difference maker

Trade him for what. I doubt anyone matches talent for talent- player for player. So Columbus would get draft choices/prospects to hopefully use draft to reinforce ot replace players whom.leavevin the years ahead.

I would guess Panarin stays. He may bolt later as a free agent though. You never know if that draft choice you could get for Pansrin translates into a Werenski or a Wenneberg.

... live in the present moment. History and nostalgia are consolation prizes for losers.

...

I've heard that before ... usually from someone puffing up the importance of an MBA - but then again - if you study history, then you can put together timelines, and provide context like nobodies' business.

Show me a 'loser; talking about history and nostalgia, and I'll show you someone who has a problem connecting the dots and can't present cogent arguments ... namely because they always require a context, and some references to back them up.

For what it's worth, of course...

Good night people.

Well, at least we will hve a better idea of what the Hawks front office is thinking in about 15 hours or so.

They should not stand pat. Either buy, the offense is lethal as is. Add a re D man and hopefully Crawford for a push or say (frank) it and sell off money and get ready for 7/1

The main point you brought up, which is valid and takes nothing away from Q or what has been accomplished, is that Q and SB clearly not on same page. There is no arguing that.

Anyone disagreeing with that is DELUSIONAL
- TrueGrit

Maybe just a touch naive:

Michael Corleone: My father is no different than any powerful man, any man with power, like a president or senator.

Kay Adams: Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? Presidents and senators don’t have men killed!

Michael: Oh. Who’s being naive, Kay?

I’m going to secretly hire two guys to beat the sh*t out of me... and then blame it on Oldduffman and TrueGrit.
- Chief4Feathers

Ah, that didn’t turn out so well for the last guy that tried that. Just sayin!

Didn´t Saad play with Alex Wennberg in Columbus? How about getting Wennberg to Chicago..I know he is not having a great season but talent is there. Anisimov and Perlini/Hayden for Wennberg?

Caggiula-Toews-Kane
DeBrincat-Strome-Kahun
Saad-Wennberg-Sikura
Hayden/Perlini-Kämpf-Kruger/Kunitz

IMO this summer's free agency is not going to have the plethora of talent originally thought to hit free agency and teams who just acquired these players will end up resigning them before hand.


Stan will end up with slim pickings and because he is pressured to sign a top player he will either overpay or sign some bottom tier player and try to sell it a gold instead it will be a bag of poop.

Dzingel I hope he doesn't sign with Columbus and Stan goes after him. Kid has talent.

IMO this summer's free agency is not going to have the plethora of talent originally thought to hit free agency and teams who just acquired these players will end up resigning them before hand.


Stan will end up with slim pickings and because he is pressured to sign a top player he will either overpay or sign some bottom tier player and try to sell it a gold instead it will be a bag of poop.

Dzingel I hope he doesn't sign with Columbus and Stan goes after him. Kid has talent.


- Taylorst1

I'm ok with this as it is clear to me the 'Hawks now are much closer to being serious Cup contenders than their position now in the standings indicates.
If they bring in one Top 6 forward without giving up anyone, their depth improves because a current roster Top 6'er gets slotted down, thus further improving the Bottom 6.
The key is defense. The key to defense is that it takes 5 skaters and a goalie to play shutdown defense. Three goals per game or less is now the new metric in the NHL for good to excellent defense. If the boys can get to that level, it's time to just let them boogie-woogie.

I'm ok with this as it is clear to me the 'Hawks now are much closer to being serious Cup contenders than their position now in the standings indicates.
If they bring in one Top 6 forward without giving up anyone, their depth improves because a current roster Top 6'er gets slotted down, thus further improving the Bottom 6.
The key is defense. The key to defense is that it takes 5 skaters and a goalie to play shutdown defense. Three goals per game or less is now the new metric in the NHL for good to excellent defense. If the boys can get to that level, it's time to just let them boogie-woogie.
- 35Tony0

I agree and am ok with that too, though I'd rather see them improve the bottom six/middle six possibly at the 3C spot.

Not sure if they have anyone at forward to make the leap next year, other than maybe say Sikura, but even the way they're currently constructed, I like the idea of guys like Caggiula, Kahun, and Saad being able to slide up and down the lineup in the top 9.

I like AA ok and think he's looked good with Saad but could see the Hawks and him parting ways in the summer or possibly sooner.

I agree and am ok with that too, though I'd rather see them improve the bottom six/middle six possibly at the 3C spot.

Not sure if they have anyone at forward to make the leap next year, other than maybe say Sikura, but even the way they're currently constructed, I like the idea of guys like Caggiula, Kahun, and Saad being able to slide up and down the lineup in the top 9.

I like AA ok and think he's looked good with Saad but could see the Hawks and him parting ways in the summer or possibly sooner.
- HawkintheD

Yes! Build on the existing group with stronger depth and try to improve the defense. Just keep any acquisitions under say 24 or 25 and do not move prospects or draft picks for any short term solutions.

I agree and am ok with that too, though I'd rather see them improve the bottom six/middle six possibly at the 3C spot.

Not sure if they have anyone at forward to make the leap next year, other than maybe say Sikura, but even the way they're currently constructed, I like the idea of guys like Caggiula, Kahun, and Saad being able to slide up and down the lineup in the top 9.

I like AA ok and think he's looked good with Saad but could see the Hawks and him parting ways in the summer or possibly sooner.
- HawkintheD

Exactly. Chicago really needs to improve their bottom 6 . Sikura IMO is not ready to slide in and make a impact. He is a nice depth player , but Chicago really needs a solid 3c who can contribute both offensively and defensively, just not sure who in the pending free agent market fits their needs and would be worth the money and age?

I agree Chicago needs defense but with Keith and Seabrook here it really limits Chicago's ability cap wise and depletes their stock of young blue chip defenseman.

I'm on the fence of Nylander being a possible summertime trade 5o fill that spot?

Anyone's thoughts on these line combinations


Drake-Toews-Kane

Cat-Strome-Kahun

Saad-Nylander-Nyquist

Perlini-Kampf-Hayden

Yes! Build on the existing group with stronger depth and try to improve the defense. Just keep any acquisitions under say 24 or 25 and do not move prospects or draft picks for any short term solutions.
- paulr

In theory that sounds great. I think the plan or situation in Chicago isn't going exactly with Keith and Seabrook not at this point willing to allow Stan to trade them.

The fact now that Stan is open to moving 1 of his top 4 blue chip defenseman for the right deal says that in order to get better upfront or on the back end that's his only card to play.

Toews and Kane have 4 years left and are 30 years old so the window with them is closing , that means Stan if he truly believes they can we in 1 more cup he has to think it's now or never.

That's how I have interpreted things from what I've read.

In theory that sounds great. I think the plan or situation in Chicago isn't going exactly with Keith and Seabrook not at this point willing to allow Stan to trade them.

The fact now that Stan is open to moving 1 of his top 4 blue chip defenseman for the right deal says that in order to get better upfront or on the back end that's his only card to play.

Toews and Kane have 4 years left and are 30 years old so the window with them is closing , that means Stan if he truly believes they can we in 1 more cup he has to think it's now or never.

That's how I have interpreted things from what I've read.
- Taylorst1

That is not fact, that is your unterpretation, just as you stated in your last paragraph. The fact is non of us know what Stan is going to do, The other fact is neither Keith or Seabrook have to agree to a trade.

I agree and am ok with that too, though I'd rather see them improve the bottom six/middle six possibly at the 3C spot.

Not sure if they have anyone at forward to make the leap next year, other than maybe say Sikura, but even the way they're currently constructed, I like the idea of guys like Caggiula, Kahun, and Saad being able to slide up and down the lineup in the top 9.

I like AA ok and think he's looked good with Saad but could see the Hawks and him parting ways in the summer or possibly sooner.
- HawkintheD

Hey D,

Probably won't get moved until after he gets his bonus money...meantime the Avs smoked the Preds yesterday and apparently every Ottawa player is now being traded to the jackets...I think it's safe to see we agree that the Hawks need to upgrade the backend in the summer and that should be their first priority.

And in shocker the Bears are cutting Mr. Today show...

We'll see how the Hawks do against the Stars this afternoon...

Right there was no disconnect between Q and Stan ,who delusional .
- oldduffman

What language do you speak?

In theory that sounds great. I think the plan or situation in Chicago isn't going exactly with Keith and Seabrook not at this point willing to allow Stan to trade them.

The fact now that Stan is open to moving 1 of his top 4 blue chip defenseman for the right deal says that in order to get better upfront or on the back end that's his only card to play.

Toews and Kane have 4 years left and are 30 years old so the window with them is closing , that means Stan if he truly believes they can we in 1 more cup he has to think it's now or never.

That's how I have interpreted things from what I've read.
- Taylorst1

How do you go about acquiring Nylander in rainbow land?

Hey D,

Probably won't get moved until after he gets his bonus money...meantime the Avs smoked the Preds yesterday and apparently every Ottawa player is now being traded to the jackets...I think it's safe to see we agree that the Hawks need to upgrade the backend in the summer and that should be their first priority.

And in shocker the Bears are cutting Mr. Today show...

We'll see how the Hawks do against the Stars this afternoon...
- DK002

Hey DK,

Had to look that up. No surprise really. There's no way they could bring him back, even with money owed. The dead cap space sucks but worth it not to have Captain Clang on the team anymore. If the kick didn't seal his fate, the Today appearance show surely did. See ya Cody!

Would be great if they could bring Gould back. The nice thing about the Hawks resurrecting their season is I have things to look forward to between now and the Bears' season.

Upgrading the backend would be great...also think Colliton having his camp and everyone in for it should help some too.

Hard decision in Columbus regarding Panarin. They made a couple moves and are deep and good at least among firqard ranks. It is a marathon lasting to the final Stanley Cup round and having four solid good lines to roll is advantageous. But it is also a difference maker who wins games as compared to just another good player whom makes four good lines. So I am saying Panarin can be that difference maker

Trade him for what. I doubt anyone matches talent for talent- player for player. So Columbus would get draft choices/prospects to hopefully use draft to reinforce ot replace players whom.leavevin the years ahead.

I would guess Panarin stays. He may bolt later as a free agent though. You never know if that draft choice you could get for Pansrin translates into a Werenski or a Wenneberg.
- jhawk59

You could be correct on this

I see Panarin being moved by days End Monday
My logic
1-He’s made it clear he doesn’t want to be in Columbus.
2- He’s all about the money so he will test free agency cone July 1.
3-Juro would like to replace some of the assets sent to Ottawa for Duchene & by moving Panarin now he can do that.
4- Losing Bab & Panarin for nothing will not
sell well with season ticket holders & the tight budget in Columbus.
5-Once Stone is moved or signs Panarin will be next.
My two cents
Islanders- Nash- Vegas - Boston maybe Winnipeg

That is not fact, that is your unterpretation, just as you stated in your last paragraph. The fact is non of us know what Stan is going to do, The other fact is neither Keith or Seabrook have to agree to a trade.
- paulr

Did you bother to read or realize what you wrote? I said as of now keith and seabrook have both stated publicly either their not aware of a trade nor would they waive their NMC.

Now it's being reported Stan is open to the idea of trading 1 of his blue chip defenseman.

Your stated comment was we should NOT trade any prospects or draft picks.

Like I said your theory sounds great, but reality is setting in and your right nobody knows what will or won't happen, but the mere fact it's now being talked about possibly movi g 1 blue chip prospect means Stan realizes Keith and Seabrook are here for the next 4 and 5 years and that means no room on the roster to offer all 4 at this point.

Did you bother to read or realize what you wrote? I said as of now keith and seabrook have both stated publicly either their not aware of a trade nor would they waive their NMC.

Now it's being reported Stan is open to the idea of trading 1 of his blue chip defenseman.

Your stated comment was we should NOT trade any prospects or draft picks.

Like I said your theory sounds great, but reality is setting in and your right nobody knows what will or won't happen, but the mere fact it's now being talked about possibly movi g 1 blue chip prospect means Stan realizes Keith and Seabrook are here for the next 4 and 5 years and that means no room on the roster to offer all 4 at this point.
- Taylorst1

I stated facts. You keep making stuff up.

How do you go about acquiring Nylander in rainbow land?
- GPHawksfan

I read the other day Chicago had some interest in him but more as a summertime trade move. Now with Stan open to moving out 1 blue chip prospect could that be the summertime move along with anismov to Toronto?

That's how I get to that conclusion.

Toronto will need to shed some cap come July in order to sign to sign marner,,,and kap. Nylander could be the odd man out .

I stated facts. You keep making stuff up.
- paulr

Making stuff up? Reading your ignorant comments theories is hilarious and very closed minded.

Exactly. Chicago really needs to improve their bottom 6 . Sikura IMO is not ready to slide in and make a impact. He is a nice depth player , but Chicago really needs a solid 3c who can contribute both offensively and defensively, just not sure who in the pending free agent market fits their needs and would be worth the money and age?

I agree Chicago needs defense but with Keith and Seabrook here it really limits Chicago's ability cap wise and depletes their stock of young blue chip defenseman.

I'm on the fence of Nylander being a possible summertime trade 5o fill that spot?

Anyone's thoughts on these line combinations


Drake-Toews-Kane

Cat-Strome-Kahun

Saad-Nylander-Nyquist

Perlini-Kampf-Hayden
- Taylorst1

Nylander seems like a trap. He's been playing poorly since coming back and now he's getting paid the big bucks. Unless we can acquire him for a very cheap cost, it's not worth going for him. And we all know that the leafs and leaf fans are expecting a kings ransom for him

I think going after Kap is a much better option. Give him an offer sheet for 4 million, or trade a 2nd + Forsling + WJC prospect for his signing rights.

I read the other day Chicago had some interest in him but more as a summertime trade move. Now with Stan open to moving out 1 blue chip prospect could that be the summertime move along with anismov to Toronto?

That's how I get to that conclusion.

Toronto will need to shed some cap come July in order to sign to sign marner,,,and kap. Nylander could be the odd man out .
- Taylorst1

He could be...but why do the Hawks want him? What hole does he fill? I'm not aware of him being a great 2 way fwd. If the Hawks were to trade for him it almost guarantees someone like Saad needs to go at some point and I'd rather keep Saad.