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Washington acquires Nick Jensen from Det
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Ugh

Ugh
- MattStrat

- Feds91Stammer

You got your second plus a prospect. Kudos.

EDIT: Its a 4th liner. I didn't know who this Bowey guy was so I just assumed it was a prospect.

I bet removing Cullen and Johnson from the lineup would do more to improve the team than trading for anyone at the deadline.

Do I think it will happen?

Of course not.

You got your second plus a prospect. Kudos.

EDIT: Its a 4th liner. I didn't know who this Bowey guy was so I just assumed it was a prospect.
- Victoro311

A defender with limited potential most likely

AS you evaluate GMJR, don't forget that a lot of the GOOD trades/acquisitions in the GMJR era came with Botterill as Asst GM. With Botterill gone, the college pipeline has dried up, and poor evaluations on players ( see Hunwick and Jack Johnson) have replaced the college signees.
The team needs to retool ASAP, I do NOT want GMJR to send away the 1st round pick to chase our tail and get some middling rental player. In fact, I'd love to trade away Pearson (good luck with that). I think summer deals moving Simon, Hornqvist and Kessel might be the way to go; trading them now is selling low in a buyers market, not a good idea.

I bet removing Cullen and Johnson from the lineup would do more to improve the team than trading for anyone at the deadline.

Do I think it will happen?

Of course not.
- astgood9414

I'm not sure how much removing Cullen would do. He's slown down a lot but he's still producing pretty well for his ice time. Would I rather have Blueger in there? Yes I would, but I don't think Cullen is totally useless right now.

I'm not sure how much removing Cullen would do. He's slown down a lot but he's still producing pretty well for his ice time. Would I rather have Blueger in there? Yes I would, but I don't think Cullen is totally useless right now.
- Victoro311

I'd agree that he isn't useless, but I don't think he's one of our top 12 forwards either. When I think back to the 2016 cup team, there wasn't a forward on the ice who wasn't driving possession. I don't think the same can be said of the current iteration of the team.

Aren't we female doging about Kessel because of cap hit? I don't see how replacing him with a guy that's nearly 3 mil more expensive helps us at all. We get younger? Cool. Kessel is producing a point per game so who gives a damn how old or young he is?

Also this banks on Stone actually signing here when he has a ton of options to choose from.
- Victoro311

The comment was that there is no way to get better by trading him. I just offered a scenario, I'm sure there are plenty more.

Kessel cap hit is fine for now. He may produce at a PPG but he is a liability everywhere else. Stone puts up a PPG and actually plays the game both ways hard. Worth the extra $3m to me.

You got your second plus a prospect. Kudos.

EDIT: Its a 4th liner. I didn't know who this Bowey guy was so I just assumed it was a prospect.
- Victoro311

Wasn't Bowey pretty highly ranked coming out of Kelowna?

Wasn't Bowey pretty highly ranked coming out of Kelowna?
- jmatchett383

Looks like he was a second rounder and is a defenseman not a forward. I straight up know nothing about him, so I can't pretend to evaluate him.

Wasn't Bowey pretty highly ranked coming out of Kelowna?
- jmatchett383

Yes and he has developed fairly well but hasn't gotten much of a chance with WSH. His most common D partner has been Orpik

Yes and he has developed fairly well but hasn't gotten much of a chance with WSH. His most common D partner has been Orpik
- Feds91Stammer

Orpik hit. Orpik good.

AS you evaluate GMJR, don't forget that a lot of the GOOD trades/acquisitions in the GMJR era came with Botterill as Asst GM. With Botterill gone, the college pipeline has dried up, and poor evaluations on players ( see Hunwick and Jack Johnson) have replaced the college signees.
The team needs to retool ASAP, I do NOT want GMJR to send away the 1st round pick to chase our tail and get some middling rental player. In fact, I'd love to trade away Pearson (good luck with that). I think summer deals moving Simon, Hornqvist and Kessel might be the way to go; trading them now is selling low in a buyers market, not a good idea.
- Amanion

Meh, I never like this argument. There were still many poor moves when Botterill was here too. Max Lapierre, Winnik, Perron, etc. And more to the point, we dont know who is spearheading the trade or targeting the player to be acquired.

As an example...maybe GMJR really wanted Schultz and Botterill said no, lets go with Hainsey, but GMJR went with his gut anyway. Why would Botterill get credited with that shrewed move to pick up Schultz?

Maybe it's Guerin that is messing up player evaluations and feeding them to GMJR

We just dont know who does what...

Meh, I never like this argument. There were still many poor moves when Botterill was here too. Max Lapierre, Winnik, Perron, etc. And more to the point, we dont know who is spearheading the trade or targeting the player to be acquired.

As an example...maybe GMJR really wanted Schultz and Botterill said no, lets go with Hainsey, but GMJR went with his gut anyway. Why would Botterill get credited with that shrewed move to pick up Schultz?

Maybe it's Guerin that is messing up player evaluations and feeding them to GMJR

We just dont know who does what...
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Max Lapierre was actually one of the Pens more noticeable players in the playoffs against NYR.

Mike Lange made a comment about Craig Patrick being the best evaluator of offensive talent he's ever known in a reference to Tanner Pearson. Says not to give up on him too early.

Mike Lange made a comment about Craig Patrick being the best evaluator of offensive talent he's ever known in a reference to Tanner Pearson. Says not to give up on him too early.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

He only said that because Craig Patrick has incriminating pictures of Mike Lange beating a mule that he rented.

I think it’s just time to accept this is a middle of the road team. The only x-factor that can carry the Pens past any team is if Sid and Geno click at the same time with goaltending standing strong.

He has a 10 team no trade clause.

I'd take Stone at 9.5m and the assets you get a trade over Kessel for 6.8m.
- MacPatty

Weird how you want to pay more for a player who offers the same production. That seems counter-intuitive for improving a hockey team when you can just take that extra 2.7m and find yourself a respectable middle six forward to add to Kessel’s Stone equivalent production.

I agree that this team does not have the depth nor the chemistry to win the Cup. Having said that I would not say that the Pens' window is closed, yet. However, I think Rutherford has been helping it to close more quickly the past couple years.

How about this scenario. Rutherford actually, for once, holds on to his first round pick. The Pens barely miss the playoffs for the first time since Crosby's rookie season, finishing 17th in the league. However, the 1 in a 100 chance of them actually winning the draft lottery actually happens. We will never hear the end of the "Bettman loves the Pens" talk from divisional rivals, especially from Flyers fans whose team will finish lower .

Weird how you want to pay more for a player who offers the same production. That seems counter-intuitive for improving a hockey team when you can just take that extra 2.7m and find yourself a respectable middle six forward to add to Kessel’s Stone equivalent production.
- j.boyd919

Do you believe that Kessel is as good as or better than Stone? It's not even close and easily worth the extra $2.7M.

Yes and he has developed fairly well but hasn't gotten much of a chance with WSH. His most common D partner has been Orpik
- Feds91Stammer

Bowey isn't good. Maybe he's a late bloomer like some D, but I think we've seen what we are going to see from him.

Bowey isn't good. Maybe he's a late bloomer like some D, but I think we've seen what we are going to see from him.
- Blackstrom2

Not expecting anything more than a 3rd pair guy at most.

Do you believe that Kessel is as good as or better than Stone? It's not even close and easily worth the extra $2.7M.
- MacPatty

I mean, it is close. I can put forth a pretty good argument using statistical data. You say it’s not but provide zero factual evidence. So there’s that. I do believe that Kessel at 6.8m is better value than Stone at 9.5mil+. And I’m a big fan of Stone as a player.

Meh, I never like this argument. There were still many poor moves when Botterill was here too. Max Lapierre, Winnik, Perron, etc. And more to the point, we dont know who is spearheading the trade or targeting the player to be acquired.

As an example...maybe GMJR really wanted Schultz and Botterill said no, lets go with Hainsey, but GMJR went with his gut anyway. Why would Botterill get credited with that shrewed move to pick up Schultz?

Maybe it's Guerin that is messing up player evaluations and feeding them to GMJR

We just dont know who does what...
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I regularly read the Buffalo blog. Botts has taken some hits for some of his trades. Kane and Oreilly haven't exactly worked out. So much is undetermined because they still need to turn those picks into players. Most people wanted to hand him GM of the year after their big win streak. Now....not so much.