Simmonds is not as good as Stone or Hayes
- jmatchett383

Apparently not as good as Boyle or Zuccerello either

First 3 seasons in NHL

Simmonds (3 years in LA)
240 GP 39-54-93 +12 264 PIM

Hartman
226 GP 40-43-83 +19 188 PIM

So...how did Simmer's time in LA "far exceed" anything that Hartman has done?
- jmatchett383

Simmonds was 22 in the sample you chose.

At age 22, Hartman was a rookie.

I mean, if you are cool with taking all of Hartman's stats up till his Age 24 season, Hartman loses to that comparison too if you include beyond Simmonds' first 3 years in the league. Simmonds played a full NHL season at age 20.

Again like I stated, that was the closest equivalent. I wasnt going to sit there and list off every deal out there. Hartman is a bottom 6 player. If you replace Hartman with Weise is that still a good deal because that is essentially what you are saying
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Simmonds is also a bottom 6 player...what exactly were you expecting for a 30 year old power forward with 27 pts this season on an expiring contract? please show me a comparable player who was traded this year or last who got a better return? and a 2nd round pick for boyle isnt better because at least Hartman can play in the NHL right now. enough with this absurd narrative. Was it a great trade? No. Was it a bad trade? Also no. We got what the market was for Simmonds

So Hart? Myers, Bailey and Knight paper moves to Phantoms so they are eligible for Calder Cup Playoffs? Twitter is unclear...

Simmonds was 22 in the sample you chose.

At age 22, Hartman was a rookie.
- johndewar

I agree. But that wasn't what you said. You said that, when Simmonds came here (after 3 seasons) that his numbers "far exceeded anything that Hartman has done." Well, over his career (which just happens to be 3 seasons), his numbers are actually almost identical to Simmonds. Do you disagree?

Apparently not as good as Boyle or Zuccerello either
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

those picks may never turn into an NHL player. Ryan Hartman is an nhl player. how is a single 2nd round pick better than someone who currently scores goals at the NHL level.

Apparently not as good as Boyle or Zuccerello either
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I would take Hartman and a 3rd over a 2nd.

So Hart? Myers and Knight paper moves to Phantoms so they are eligible for Calder Cup Playoffs? Twitter is unclear...
- NC Flyers Fan

yes

I agree. But that wasn't what you said. You said that, when Simmonds came here (after 3 seasons) that he had "far exceeded anything that Hartman has ever done." Well, over his career (which just happens to be 3 seasons), his numbers are actually almost identical to Simmonds. Do you disagree?
- jmatchett383

Simmonds did his over the course of exactly 3 NHL seasons.

Hartman compiled his numbers over the course of 5 NHL seasons.

That's not the same thing and you know it.

I would take Hartman and a 3rd over a 2nd.
- jmatchett383

so would any reasonable person

but when you have rage tinted glasses...

Simmonds did his over the course of exactly 3 NHL seasons.

Hartman compiled his numbers over the course of 5 NHL seasons.

That's not the same thing and you know it.
- johndewar

So we're going to count the 8 games Hartman played prior to the 16/17 season???

People who overvalued simmonds are extremely unhappy

People who understand what simmer's worth on the market are okay with it


- bulet13

I'll need those lists, please.

Bill tweeted that Hartman has more ES points then Simmonds this season. Sad to see Simmonds go, but unless your placing a tax on intangibles, the haul wasn t bad
- ravishingone

He also plays on a better team. I think Simmonds is going to thrive in Nashville and help them a great deal. We knew going into it that the Flyers were going to be giving up the best player in the deal.

So we're going to count the 8 games Hartman played prior to the 16/17 season???
- jmatchett383

Underlines my point that Simmonds was a better player than Hartman at a younger age.

I'm sure Ryan Hartman found Rockford lovely in those days.

Underlines my point that Simmonds was a better player than Hartman at a younger age.

I'm sure Ryan Hartman found Rockford lovely in those days.
- johndewar

I don't disagree with anything you say about their differences in age and production. I would rather have Simmonds at 24 than Hartman at 24.

Still, that wasn't what you said.

yup bad GM a good GM would have done the job he's hired to do
- 2Real

Which job didnt he do?

I think Fletcher did just fine on this trade.If the prospects the flyers have coming in frost and farabee are truly top 6,then hartman is a great bottom 6 imo.That has been a weak link on this team for along time.He and laughton pitching in 15 goals a yr playing 3rd line minutes is perfect

He also plays on a better team. I think Simmonds is going to thrive in Nashville and help them a great deal. We knew going into it that the Flyers were going to be giving up the best player in the deal.
- MJL

I'd love to see that.

Hartman has 20 Even strength points and gets no PP time so 0 pp pts
Simmonds has 19 ES points and 8 PP pts with a boat load of pp time

Everyone needs to check their emotions and overreactions at the door

I think Fletcher did just fine on this trade.If the prospects the flyers have coming in frost and farabee are truly top 6,then hartman is a great bottom 6 imo.That has been a weak link on this team for along time.He and laughton pitching in 15 goals a yr playing 3rd line minutes is perfect
- flyeredup85

nope stop with reason this was a terrible trade

flyers are cancelled forever

eat a snickers you're a bad troll when you're hungry
- bulet13

what is a GM hired to do? just stand pat and let his team suck?

Which job didnt he do?
- opeth_pa

get good value for his players

I don't disagree with anything you say about their differences in age and production. I would rather have Simmonds at 24 than Hartman at 24.

Still, that wasn't what you said.
- jmatchett383

You know what's going to happen.

Hartman will go out and wreck someone on the Rangers or Pens and we'll all be back onboard.

what is a GM hired to do? just stand pat and let his team suck?
- 2Real

ah yes. the 4 trades fletcher has already made = standing pat

good try tho

First 3 seasons in NHL

Simmonds (3 years in LA)
240 GP 39-54-93 +12 264 PIM

Hartman
226 GP 40-43-83 +19 188 PIM

So...how did Simmer's time in LA "far exceed" anything that Hartman has done?
- jmatchett383

Did Hartman sleep in his care at camp?